Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!
 

Good reporting here. After all these dumb moves I am done with being a Mickey Mouse organization.

The Saints canceled out the comp pick they would have received for losing Terron Armstead in order to secure a $3 million backup qb to replace the $10 million backup qb/te they realized cant play qb.

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2022...d6TwPgKt650ELg

Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!
 

Who cares about a comp pick in the tail end of the 3rd round at best? :rolleyes:

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No team I am aware of in the history of the nfl draft has ever gone home and refused to draft a player when they had a 3rd-4th round pick, so every player values them. Matt Ryan just got traded for a 3rd round pick. I hate Matt Ryan, but if we ever do need to move up a few slots, trade for a veteran, or find the next jahri evans or alvin kamara, a pick in round 3-4 is value you dont throw away.

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Yeah... They could have waited to sign Dalton if it is indeed costing is a 3rd. SMH

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If you’re tired of this “Mickey Mouse” organization and the success they’ve had under Loomis then don’t let the door hit your butt on the way out. The falcon boards are always looking for fans.

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New HC, new assistants, new ideas. A different approach leading up to this year's draft. Jeff Ireland knows football/scouting a lot better than me.

Sometimes change is good.

Let's see how this pans out. Can't wait for the draft.

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It was Sean Payton and Drew Brees that got us out of that, Loomis was just an accountant who hung on for the ride. Mickey Loomis can go to the Falcons board when he is fired next year. He is just like Calvin Ridley, betting on his own team even when the consequences are that they lose a first round pick.

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I liked the Dalton signing but didn't know it cost us a third rounder.

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Yeah conceptually I liked it before I found out about it costing us a comp pick. Patience is a virtue. We should have had patience. And also what happens if a great amazing QB falls to us in the the draft and outplays Dalton in camp? Then we gave up a valuable draft pick for a 3rd string QB who is not guaranteed to make the team?

But don't worry, we can always trade our 2024 1st round pick to move back into the 3rd round in 2023.

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The title is misleading IMO. It's based on the calculations of next year's comp picks and that signing Dalton wipes away one of the potential 3rd rounders for Williams and Armstead, while the signing of Maye already wiped the other.

If this leads to someone wanting Loomis to be fired - I really don't know what to say to that person, except "you be you "

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Yeah, the GM has nothing to do with the success of a football team. That makes a lot of sense. 🙄

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I am a Loomis fan, but I do understand how several of his recent moves and some of his long term contracts would make a person wonder if it is time for him to move on.

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Possibly so. But the idea to fire him for signing Dalton is absurd IMO. One season after going 9-8 with the BS they endured last year? If they would have had Dalton instead of Simien/Hill/Book last year there is no doubt in my mind they win one more game and make the playoffs. They saw a weakness on the team (backup QB) and addressed it. You need to spend resources to better your team. For doing this his firing is called for? That’s the kind of Mickey Mouse attitude from fans that gives an organization a bad rep and makes desirable free agents less likely to come play for your team. How’s about the guy go through at least a couple of losing seasons (or even one) before the torches and pitchforks come out?

Not directing this at you Matt!

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Signing Dalton does not necessarily cost the Saints a 3 round pick. The potential is there, of course. But it also depends upon the performance of the free agents lost and acquired. There are snap counts and post-season honors that come into play. If Armstead doesn't play the full season and fails to be named all-pro or all-conference it could reduce his potential value in the calculation. If Dalton plays significant time it could also change the projection. The same can be said for Marcus Williams and Marcus Maye.

Could the Saints have waited to sign Dalton? Who knows? Why take a chance on losing him to another team just for an off chance things work out for a possible extra mid-round pick the following year?

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With Jameis coming off of major surgery, and the problems we've had the last 3 years with QB injuries, made a lot of sense to grab a top insurance policy. Let the chips fall where they may with the comp pick - I was reading recently the comp formula is a secret azz thing done by the NFL office, so out of control, really.

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Here's an article covering what is now known of the compensatory pick formula. The latest CBA included releasing the actual basics to the teams, players, and public.

The Basics and Methodology of Projecting the NFL’s Compensatory Draft Picks

And you can be sure we weren't the only franchise in the market for a good dependable back-up QB.

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I know it was confusing but I didnt mean to say to fire him for this move alone. I said after all these bad moves. This and the draft trade were the last straws. Previous issues like the hill and peat contracts and past ill advised draft trades.

This move almost certainly costs us a third round pick. The formula is complicated but the experts have analyzed this. The main way that can change is if another team ignores the comp pick system and signs one of our remaining free agents. I am doubting that happens, and not even sure who that would be.

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Good question. But even if the market was not hot, By adding him now he gets extra time to to learn about the coaches, the offense and his teammates and vice versa.

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None of us know. You should probably ask Daltons agent.

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They'll prolly all say... the market was RED HOT, and we were in danger of losing him.

The fairer question to ask is: Is three weeks early enough to justify the potential of a potential loss of a 3rd rounder for a backup QB, one that will hopefully not play. And does that also mean they have less confidence in Ian Book?

This move may be more controversial than we realize. We'll just have to see it unfold.

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I don't see the logic in not making a move based on a pick that you "might" get. I am not saying a compensatory 3rd rounder is not worth anything, I'm just saying you shouldn't behave as if it is guaranteed.

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I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years.

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This makes perfect sense. Getting your primary backup in place in time for off-season activities is worth more than the possibility of maybe getting a pick after the tail-end of the third round (actually basically a 4th rounder) IF Terron Armstead can stay healthy for the Dolphins (which is absolutely not a given).

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Do. You do you. I think that’s the in fashion, over used phrase the prissy millennials use.

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Some times you just have shake your head and smile at these underemployed GM’s that work this board … of I’m just a fan circa 1967 😎✌️

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Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!
 

When you rewind your Saints history tape, it is a good practice to rewind all the way, or at least to the point that tells you that you shouldn't make the statement you are about to make.

With out that 'just an accountant" you don't have Sean Payton or Drew Brees. If 'the accountant' chooses differently you have Jets defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson, or Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon, former or Green Bay head coach Mike Sherman or former St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz.

If 'the accountant' is responsible for Andy Dalton then he is also responsible for Brees, Sproles, Sharper (wouldn't have been in a SB without his 9 interceptions and only 2 players in the NFL have beaten that number in the last 12 years.)Shall i keep going?

If you are going to say 'the accountant' is not responsible for those above free agents then you hang Andy Dalton on Dennis Allen.

Either way at some point your passion needs a dose of logic.:bng:

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I get that. Oh yes!

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Someone should remind Dennis that Sean knows quarterbacks better than most. It would behoove him to reconsider Hill. Hey Sean, if you read this board … please save the Saints and Allens career by recommending an opportunity for Hill at qb.

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There's a Taysom Hill clone coming out this year. His name is Sam Howell and he probably needs to be converted to a TE as well to be valuable. Thank God the Taysom at QB experiment is finally over. Taysom Hill = Tim Tebow = Sam Howell.

Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!
 

No. Hill has a role and it isn’t best suited at QB. Love Payton but that’s one instance where he was wrong.

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Sean Payton may indeed know more but Taysom has more than ample opportunity to seize that position and never did. He didn’t perform well enough to even give the talking heads an opportunity to stir a controversy around when ‘Winston comes back’.

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I'm Gen X, so I'm fine with the phrasing I used.

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Sean Payton developed one QB in 15 years and never really developed another. And that QB was already a borderline pro bowler coming. Sean was good with schemes but he didnt develop all kinds of qbs. Also, Sean is not a doctor and especially is not doc brown from back to the future so in the unlikely scenario that he were right about hills potential to be a talented qb, he still could not make Hill a young healthy durable qb. Cam Newton is very talented, only a year older than hill, had less injuries last year, and less injuries earlier in his career, but no franchise will commit to him because he can no longer hold up long enough to fine tune an offense for his skills. Taysom Hill is the same thing but less proven. Being newer to fame doesnt make him much younger or healthier just less experienced. No team can win by painstakingly tailoring an offense to a guy who will play 8-10 games a year and weathering the storm with receivers and oline constantly having to adjust to qb changes and the different offensive systems they require.

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What makes you think that about Howell my brotha?

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I've seen him play. The only college ball I really watch are my two favorite teams, NC State and whomever is playing Carolina. He pulls the ball down and runs it far too often. 183 carries in 2021 is a lot for a QB, don't you think? And he isn't the elusive Lamar Jackson type runner either. He tries to bowl over defenders just like Taysom ... and Tim Tebow before them both.

Howell looked like his normal self against my Wolfpack this last season. He was 14-26 and 147 yards passing with one TD and one pick. He ran the ball 18 times for 98 yards and two TD's. In other words ... Tim Taysom Tebow Hill, Jr.

Now the Wolfpack QB, Devin Leary, looks like an NFL QB.

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I think it was the system they implemented this past year. He never carried the ball that much his previous two years but for some reason they were using him on designed runs and everything pretty consistently. Maybe because they lost Williams and Carter to the Broncos and Jets respectively. I like his potential. A lot more than Taysom at least.