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SaintGnome 05-04-2022 06:28 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 951526)
For the life of me I don't understand why you can't read the room. You really are NPD.
Completely tone deaf

saintsfan1976 05-04-2022 06:33 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 951523)
Alonte Taylor- 6’ 01”, 199lbs, 4.36 40,RAS-9.06
Paulson Adebo- 6’ 01”, 199lbs, 4.42 40,RAS-9.55
Marshon Lattimore- 6’ 00”, 195lbs, 4.36 40,RAS-10

This may not mean much to some but I found this interesting. Pretty close numbers. If this guy is coachable, which I bet he is, there’s no reason why he won’t see the field early and often. I don’t really know why he was graded by most as a 3/4 rounder.
Let me add a phrase I heard/read countless times throughout the draft - "long arms". Seems to carry more weight than anything this year LOL!
Anyway, Alonte has 'em so.... CHAMPIONSHIP!

jeanpierre 05-04-2022 06:43 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 951413)
So who's the odd man out... Robey?
We're definitely two-deep at the boundary CB now...

jeanpierre 05-04-2022 06:45 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951500)
Alontae Taylor is going to be the steal of the 2nd round. He has all the tools. Giving me Richard Sherman vibes, but more athletic. I can't find the type of film I want on him though.
He'd been a greater steal in the third round as well; we could have traded back, still gotten him and say a Guard, Tight End or LBer...

AsylumGuido 05-04-2022 07:08 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 951553)
He'd been a greater steel in the third round as well; we could have traded back, still gotten him and say a Guard, Tight End or LBer...
Can you guarantee that? We could have traded back and HOPED we got him. How does that help when they wanted him from the get go?

Winners don't hope things fall to them.

They reach out and grab them.

rezburna 05-04-2022 07:53 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 951523)
Alonte Taylor- 6’ 01”, 199lbs, 4.36 40,RAS-9.06
Paulson Adebo- 6’ 01”, 199lbs, 4.42 40,RAS-9.55
Marshon Lattimore- 6’ 00”, 195lbs, 4.36 40,RAS-10

This may not mean much to some but I found this interesting. Pretty close numbers. If this guy is coachable, which I bet he is, there’s no reason why he won’t see the field early and often. I don’t really know why he was graded by most as a 3/4 rounder.
I’m the same size as all them boys. 40 time though? Right now? 4.8 probably. 😂

AsylumGuido 05-04-2022 08:26 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951558)
I’m the same size as all them boys. 40 time though? Right now? 4.8 probably. 😂
Wind aided? ;)

SmashMouth 05-04-2022 09:59 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 951553)
He'd been a greater steel in the third round as well; we could have traded back, still gotten him and say a Guard, Tight End or LBer...
Maybe they tried and got no takers ...

jeanpierre 05-04-2022 11:46 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 951566)
Maybe they tried and got no takers ...
Pick 49? You'd had suitors...

AsylumGuido 05-05-2022 07:20 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 951566)
Maybe they tried and got no takers ...
No, they didn't try and had no reason to try since they don't agree with that type of move. Loomis himself said the Saints philosophy is "quality over quantity" when asked about trading down. He mentioned their trading up some 25 times and not once trading down. He also said when they find someone they love they go and get that player.

It's hard to logically argue against that philosophy when Loomis' teams are right near the top of the list in total wins during his tenure.

Boston Saint 05-05-2022 09:01 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951579)
It's hard to logically argue against that philosophy when Loomis' teams are right near the top of the list in total wins during his tenure.
It’s not hard at all. Rams just won a SB and went to another since the Saints had their championship and they look at the draft very differently. Rams have not had a first round pick since 2016, so they are fine trading away “quality” draft picks and have succeeded. Logically it can be argued that trades that brought in “reach” guys like Turner and Davenport have backfired by not allowing them to fill needs at other positions like WR or TE….especially considering the amount of time those guys have missed. This has subsequently resulted in playoff losses for the Saints when they were lacking in talent at key positions.

Now you will come back with the “we are not GMs” line to defend your point. That wont change the fact that it’s easy to find fault with moves the organization has made during this and previous drafts if you are willing to take off
the Saints goggles and honestly evaluate things.

AsylumGuido 05-05-2022 09:27 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951583)
It’s not hard at all. Rams just won a SB and went to another since the Saints had their championship and they look at the draft very differently. Rams have not had a first round pick since 2016, so they are fine trading away “quality” draft picks and have succeeded. Logically it can be argued that trades that brought in “reach” guys like Turner and Davenport have backfired by not allowing them to fill needs at other positions like WR or TE….especially considering the amount of time those guys have missed. This has subsequently resulted in playoff losses for the Saints when they were lacking in talent at key positions.

Now you will come back with the “we are not GMs” line to defend your point. That wont change the fact that it’s easy to find fault with moves the organization has made during this and previous drafts if you are willing to take off
the Saints goggles and honestly evaluate things.
Good example with the Rams, Boston! Just like the Saints, the Rams have used their draft picks not to move down and accumulate more lower picks, but have used them in a manner to get the players they wanted. The Saints just do it through the draft and the Rams through free agency.

If you can't read Rams' GM, Les Snead's shirt, it says, "**** Them Picks".

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0kSi...17699264.0.jpg

And what's wrong with Davenport? He's arguably the most impactful defensive lineman the Saints have when healthy and Turner hasn't even had a chance yet. Can you guarantee the Saints would be better off without Davenport and Turner than they would be with whomever would have been taken instead?

rezburna 05-05-2022 09:48 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951562)
Wind aided? ;)
Hurricane force winds. Lmao!

Boston Saint 05-05-2022 09:55 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951586)
Good example with the Rams, Boston! Just like the Saints, the Rams have used their draft picks not to move down and accumulate more lower picks, but have used them in a manner to get the players they wanted. The Saints just do it through the draft and the Rams through free agency.

If you can't read Rams' GM, Les Snead's shirt, it says, "**** Them Picks".

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0kSi...17699264.0.jpg

And what's wrong with Davenport? He's arguably the most impactful defensive lineman the Saints have when healthy and Turner hasn't even had a chance yet. Can you guarantee the Saints would be better off without Davenport and Turner than they would be with whomever would have been taken instead?
So you admit there is a logical argument to be made against the way the Saints do things RE the draft as the Rams prove by doing it differently and possibly better. Saints trade picks to move up into the first and the Rams don’t. They trade away their picks. That’s different. So your earlier statement was BS.

What’s wrong with Davenport is that his production has not been worth two firsts and a third. He’s done nothing more than Hendrickson who was obtained for a single 3rd rounder. What else could the team have gotten with those 2 extra picks?

Can you guarantee The Saints would NOT be better off had they not made moves for Davenport and Turner?….of course not. That’s a childish way to “defend” your position. We are discussing philosophies regarding approaching the draft. You stated that no logical argument can be made against the philosophy the Saints use. I just proved you wrong.

AsylumGuido 05-05-2022 10:18 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951593)
So you admit there is a logical argument to be made against the way the Saints do things RE the draft as the Rams prove by doing it differently and possibly better. Saints trade picks to move up into the first and the Rams don’t. They trade away their picks. That’s different. So your earlier statement was BS.

What’s wrong with Davenport is that his production has not been worth two firsts and a third. He’s done nothing more than Hendrickson who was obtained for a single 3rd rounder. What else could the team have gotten with those 2 extra picks?

Can you guarantee The Saints would NOT be better off had they not made moves for Davenport and Turner?….of course not. That’s a childish way to “defend” your position. We are discussing philosophies regarding approaching the draft. You stated that no logical argument can be made against the philosophy the Saints use. I just proved you wrong.
Why is your mission in life to always "try" to prove me wrong? I can say the sky is blue and you'll claim it isn't. LOL!

And, no, I cannot "admit there is a logical argument to be made against the way the Saints do things RE the draft as the Rams prove by doing it differently and possibly better". Please explain to me how trading away multiple first round draft picks as the Rams have been doing is a better way of approaching the draft than how the Saints approach it? I can't wait to hear this one!

:D

Boston Saint 05-05-2022 10:39 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951597)
Why is your mission in life to always "try" to prove me wrong? I can say the sky is blue and you'll claim it isn't. LOL!

And, no, I cannot "admit there is a logical argument to be made against the way the Saints do things RE the draft as the Rams prove by doing it differently and possibly better". Please explain to me how trading away multiple first round draft picks as the Rams have been doing is a better way of approaching the draft than how the Saints approach it? I can't wait to hear this one!

:D
Now you are Playing the victim card because I disagree with the point you made?! What is “mission in life” and “always” supposed to mean? I haven’t replied to you in weeks or even brought you up. I’ve purposely avoided posting to you. What a friggin ego you have. Saintfan had you pegged dead on. You got into it with a few users the other day and I completely avoided joining in and getting into it with you. I guess it was their mission in life to argue with you too, huh? I don’t appreciate your miss characterizations, accusations, and lies about me.

This site doesn’t revolve around you. You made a Statement about how one cannot form a logical argument against the way the Saints have handled the draft under Loomis based upon their success. I provided a logical argument and a concrete example by pointing out the Rams who have had more success and handled the draft differently. How in your twisted little mind you can turn that into a life mission to argue with you is nuts. If you don’t like people expressing a difference in opinions maybe you should quit posting stupid statements like that.

AsylumGuido 05-05-2022 10:46 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951602)
Now you are Playing the victim card because I disagree with the point you made?! What is “mission in life” and “always” supposed to mean? I haven’t replied to you in weeks or even brought you up. I’ve purposely avoided posting to you. What a friggin ego you have. Saintfan had you pegged dead on. You got into it with a few users the other day and I completely avoided joining in and getting into it with you. I guess it was their mission in life to argue with you too, huh? I don’t appreciate your miss characterizations, accusations, and lies about me.

This site doesn’t revolve around you. You made a Statement about how one cannot form a logical argument against the way the Saints have handled the draft under Loomis based upon their success. I provided a logical argument and a concrete example by pointing out the Rams who have had more success and handled the draft differently. How in your twisted little mind you can turn that into a life mission to argue with you is nuts. If you don’t like people expressing a difference in opinions maybe you should quit posting stupid statements like that.
You are definitely a trip, Boston. LOL!

Boston Saint 05-05-2022 10:56 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951604)
You are definitely a trip, Boston. LOL!
Oh yes. Such a mature response having nothing to do with any of the points brought up. Just insult and run. It’s pretty much all you got. So to recap…

You say because the Saints have had the success the have had under Loomis a logical critique of the way they handle the draft can’t be made.

I disagree and provide a logical critique

You attempt to say there is little/no difference in the way the Rams and Saints approach the draft.

I say there is

You freak out and ask why I have a life long mission to always disagree with you.

I point out how I don’t and don’t appreciate your lies.

You call me a trip.

So…I say a logical argument can be made. I’ve made it. I think others on here would agree with me.

AsylumGuido 05-05-2022 11:23 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951608)
Oh yes. Such a mature response having nothing to do with any of the points brought up. Just insult and run. It’s pretty much all you got. So to recap…

You say because the Saints have had the success the have had under Loomis a logical critique of the way they handle the draft can’t be made.

I disagree and provide a logical critique

You attempt to say there is little/no difference in the way the Rams and Saints approach the draft.

I say there is

You freak out and ask why I have a life long mission to always disagree with you.

I point out how I don’t and don’t appreciate your lies.

You call me a trip.

So…I say a logical argument can be made. I’ve made it. I think others on here would agree with me.
Since when is finding humor in something "freaking out". LOL!

And you made the argument that the Rams have a superior draft strategy than the Saints by trading away all of their first round picks since 2016 for established veterans. Okie dokie.

Boston Saint 05-05-2022 11:40 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951611)
And you made the argument that the Rams have a superior draft strategy than the Saints….
No. Here is where you are twisting things. You said first…

“ It's hard to logically argue against that philosophy…”

I did not say the Rams were superior. I was ONLY playing devils advocate and giving a logical argument against the Saint’s philosophy by pointing out another successful team (Rams) does it differently.

And when you accuse me of having a “life’s mission” against you, then you are freaking out

AsylumGuido 05-05-2022 12:27 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951612)
No. Here is where you are twisting things. You said first…

“ It's hard to logically argue against that philosophy…”

I did not say the Rams were superior. I was ONLY playing devils advocate and giving a logical argument against the Saint’s philosophy by pointing out another successful team (Rams) does it differently.

And when you accuse me of having a “life’s mission” against you, then you are freaking out
When did I ever say there weren't other successful draft philosophies? Go back and read closely. Heck, search the entire history of BlackandGold. All I said was that one could not logically argue against the success of the Saints' draft history under Loomis based upon the win/loss record over his tenure. That's it. That's all.

Although there is one thing we absolutely agree upon ... you do like playing the Devil's Advocate. :D ;)

dev·il's ad·vo·cate
/ˈˌdevəlz ˈadvəkət/

noun
a person who expresses a contentious opinion in order to provoke debate or test the strength of the opposing arguments.

Boston Saint 05-05-2022 12:44 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951615)
All I said was that one could not logically argue against the success of the Saints' draft history under Loomis based upon the win/loss record over his tenure. That's it.
I understood that And I disagree. Not because it’s you and it’s my life mission. The idea is flawed. You are using The win/loss record as the barometer of how successful the Saints have been in the draft over Loomis tenure. Not so. Drew Brees is the biggest reason for their W-L record and he was not a draft pick. I’d say the largest portion of Loomis success has been his cap management and FA (Brees, Vilma, Davis) signing rather than draft success. Too many Baptiste type picks and trading up for guys that were about 50/50 success rates. It’s just my feeling. I may be wrong. Not because I always disagree with you.

AsylumGuido 05-05-2022 01:44 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951617)
I understood that And I disagree. Not because it’s you and it’s my life mission. The idea is flawed. You are using The win/loss record as the barometer of how successful the Saints have been in the draft over Loomis tenure. Not so. Drew Brees is the biggest reason for their W-L record and he was not a draft pick. I’d say the largest portion of Loomis success has been his cap management and FA (Brees, Vilma, Davis) signing rather than draft success. Too many Baptiste type picks and trading up for guys that were about 50/50 success rates. It’s just my feeling. I may be wrong. Not because I always disagree with you.
Gotcha.

Boston Saint 05-05-2022 02:20 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951619)
Gotcha.
So, pick Two words out of my paragraph long statement….ignore everything else…. and say “Gotcha”…..you are sad. My 9 year old nephew is more mature than you.

SmashMouth 05-09-2022 01:09 PM
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saintsfan1976 05-09-2022 09:25 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
Alonte has the Chauncy Gardener vibe....

iceshack149 05-10-2022 08:39 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 951759)
Alonte has the Chauncy Gardener vibe....
Smoke got that Ceedy vibe.

turbo_dog 05-10-2022 11:30 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 951759)
Alonte has the Chauncy Gardener vibe....
I got the same impression...

Boston Saint 05-10-2022 11:40 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
I think we’ve got the talent to have a historically notable D backfield like the Legion of Boom. Better start thinking of nicknames now! How about the apostles?

SmashMouth 05-10-2022 11:54 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951787)
I think we’ve got the talent to have a historically notable D backfield like the Legion of Boom. Better start thinking of nicknames now! How about the apostles?
Knight's Templars?

Rugby Saint II 05-10-2022 12:14 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 951788)
Knight's Templars?
The Swiss Guard protects the Pope.

AsylumGuido 05-12-2022 08:06 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 

SmashMouth 05-12-2022 08:55 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951787)
I think we’ve got the talent to have a historically notable D backfield like the Legion of Boom. Better start thinking of nicknames now! How about the apostles?
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 951788)
Knight's Templars?
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 951789)
The Swiss Guard protects the Pope.
I saw someone selling a t-shirt that read: Dome Patrol, No FlyZone.

They'll have to earn this name.

Boston Saint 05-12-2022 09:14 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 951887)
I saw someone selling a t-shirt that read: Dome Patrol, No FlyZone.

They'll have to earn this name.
Yeah, that doesn’t sound right.

Boston Saint 05-12-2022 09:39 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
Maybe instead of The Dome Patrol it’s the The Home Patrol

AsylumGuido 05-12-2022 10:58 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
I kind of like Saints Defense. Nicknames are earned over time.

Rugby Saint II 05-12-2022 11:22 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
The Bounty Hunters! :p

Boston Saint 05-12-2022 12:44 PM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 951902)
The Bounty Hunters! :p
Goodhell would love that !

SmashMouth 05-13-2022 10:15 AM
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Boston Saint 05-13-2022 11:05 AM
Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 951954)
Stay away from them Popeye Sammiches! Look what they did to Peat!


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