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AsylumGuido 05-17-2022 09:04 AM

3 Areas of Concern for the Saints Defense Heading Towards OTAs
 
3 Areas of Concern for the Saints Defense Heading Towards OTAs

New Orleans is expected to have an elite defense in 2022. Here are some areas of vulnerability facing one of the NFL's top units.

BOB ROSE 2 HOURS AGO

Throughout most of coach Sean Payton's 16-year tenure with the franchise, the New Orleans Saints were known for elite offensive production. Over the last four seasons, that narrative has changed to people who follow the team.

New Orleans has owned one of the league's top run defenses since 2018. For the last two years, they've ranked near the top of the NFL in several defensive categories.

The Saints defense reached dominant levels through most of the 2021 season. They carried an offense that slipped to the bottom of the league because of injuries and ineffective depth. They nearly carried team into the playoffs, despite a five-game losing streak at mid-season.

New Orleans suffered a few key personnel losses on the defensive side this offseason. Ball-hawking S Marcus Williams left in free agency, signing a lucrative deal with the Ravens. Veteran S Malcolm Jenkins retired, robbing the team of valuable leadership. Athletic LB Kwon Alexander remains unsigned, though a return remains possible.

The Saints moved swiftly to cover these losses, and are expected to again have one of the league's top defenses. However, here are three areas of concern for one of the NFL's best units as they head towards three OTA sessions in the coming weeks.

LINEBACKER DEPTH

The Saints have an outstanding duo of linebackers in All-Pro Demario Davis and second-year potential star Pete Werner. Davis is one of the league's best players at any position and is a ferocious playmaker in several capacities. Werner flashed the abilities of a potential Pro Bowler as a rookie and is outstanding against the run and in open space.

Without Alexander, who had his best season in 2021, there is little proven depth. Kaden Elliss is a solid run defender and can be an effective blitzer, but is a liability in coverage. Zack Baun, a third-round choice in 2020, is one of the team’s better special teams players. However, Baun simply hasn't been a fit for the Saints defensive scheme.

Rookie D'Marco Jackson, a fifth-round pick, has terrific open field skills. His combination of instincts and athleticism could make him an instant contributor. Andrew Dowell and undrafted rookie Nephi Sewell will also battle for roster spots.

New Orleans typically plays a defensive alignment with two linebackers and an extra safety. Davis and Werner can stay on the field in every situation and excel in the open field. There is a significant drop off after those two. Jackson has that kind of ability, but has yet to prove it as a Day 3 rookie draft pick.

Re-signing Alexander would give New Orleans a third starting quality linebacker. He has outstanding chemistry with Davis and is a perfect fit for the Saints scheme.

If he’s not brought back, New Orleans needs to keep their fingers crossed for good health from Davis and Werner and a rapid development from Jackson for a situational role.

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AsylumGuido 05-17-2022 09:08 AM

Re: 3 Areas of Concern for the Saints Defense Heading Towards OTAs
 
Communication in the defensive backfield has been mentioned here in the forum as a concern. I feel that with a full off-season and the fact that the new additions (Maye and Mathieu) are both smart veterans they will be on the same page by the time the season gets underway.

Rugby Saint II 05-17-2022 01:37 PM

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We're not turning over too many positions with rookies. These are seasoned vets who should be able to handle their assignment.

K Major 05-17-2022 05:42 PM

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LB position ... we could definitely use more depth there. There is Demario, Pete & but not a whole lot of guys behind em that can cover. Zach Baun apparently isn't that dude.

Re-signing Kwon would make sense.

AsylumGuido 05-17-2022 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 952317)
LB position ... we could definitely use more depth there. There is Demario, Pete & but not a whole lot of guys behind em that can cover. Zach Baun apparently isn't that dude.

Re-signing Kwon would make sense.

Do you think a post week one signing/re-signing would be a possibility? That way he wouldn't be guaranteed the full year, but only game by game. I think he may be at that point of his career. He knows the defense so he could step in weeks when needed based upon the opposing offense or injury concerns.

K Major 05-17-2022 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 952318)
Do you think a post week one signing/re-signing would be a possibility? That way he wouldn't be guaranteed the full year, but only game by game. I think he may be at that point of his career. He knows the defense so he could step in weeks when needed based upon the opposing offense or injury concerns.

Quite possible, however I wonder if drafting the kid from Appalachian St was for depth if Pete assumes Kwon's role?

Something about KA though ... he has that swagger, plays fast & the defense fed off of that.

CheramieIII 05-17-2022 06:42 PM

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They will sign another veteran linebacker if not Kwon! I think they’ve filled the holes and upgraded at safety! Geaux Saints!!!

Rugby Saint II 05-18-2022 01:10 PM

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Man, I really feel like we need another RB! I don't understand why we don't trade Baun to a team that suits his skills. I know he's good at special teams but so are most of our draft picks. I believe he is eating up a roster spot.

saintsfan1976 05-18-2022 04:37 PM

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There will be communication issues in the secondary to start the season.

Period.

Pete 05-18-2022 04:39 PM

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What's up with Kwon?
Wanting too much?

shawnkytonk 05-18-2022 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 952355)
There will be communication issues in the secondary to start the season.

Period.

Very true, but it seems DA’s defenses have started off slowly the past few years if memory serves me correctly.

AsylumGuido 05-18-2022 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 952355)
There will be communication issues in the secondary to start the season.

Period.

More so than any other team with changes in the defensive backfield? More so than any team with any changes to the defensive coaching and/or schemes? If so, will those issues exceed their individual athletic abilities to still have the defense be able to perform at a high level?

Basically, there are always issues with the defensive secondary every year with every team to a degree. I believe they'll weather those issue just fine especially considering the teams we face leading off the season.

AsylumGuido 05-18-2022 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 952358)
Very true, but it seems DA’s defenses have started off slowly the past few years if memory serves me correctly.

Most defenses start off slowly in the secondary.

turbo_dog 05-19-2022 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 952361)
More so than any other team with changes in the defensive backfield? More so than any team with any changes to the defensive coaching and/or schemes? If so, will those issues exceed their individual athletic abilities to still have the defense be able to perform at a high level?

Basically, there are always issues with the defensive secondary every year with every team to a degree. I believe they'll weather those issue just fine especially considering the teams we face leading off the season.

JFC, Guido

Boston Saint 05-19-2022 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 952361)
More so than any other team with changes in the defensive backfield? More so than any team with any changes to the defensive coaching and/or schemes? If so, will those issues exceed their individual athletic abilities to still have the defense be able to perform at a high level?

Basically, there are always issues with the defensive secondary every year with every team to a degree. I believe they'll weather those issue just fine especially considering the teams we face leading off the season.

That’s an interesting thought. Who “called the plays” on-field last year for the D? I would have thought it was Davis. Does the backfield have a different caller than the LB’s? Help us out rez!

AsylumGuido 05-19-2022 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 952388)
That’s an interesting thought. Who “called the plays” on-field last year for the D? I would have thought it was Davis. Does the backfield have a different caller than the LB’s? Help us out rez!

Yes. It was Davis, with Werner as his backup with the dot. Here's all the defensive dot wearers from 2021.

Who Wears the Dot?

TeamPlayers
49ersLB Fred Warner, LB Azeez Al-Shaair
BearsLB Roquan Smith, LB Alec Ogletree
BengalsLB Logan Wilson, LB Germaine Pratt
BillsLB Tremaine Edmunds, LB A.J. Klein
BroncosLB Alexander Johnson, LB Justin Strnad, LB Baron Browning, LB Kenny Young
BuccaneersLB Devin White, LB Lavonte David
CardinalsLB Jordan Hicks, LB Tanner Vallejo
ChiefsLB Anthony Hitchens, LB Ben Niemann, LB Nick Bolton
ColtsLB Darius Leonard, LB Bobby Okereke
CommandersLB Cole Holcomb, LB David Mayo
DolphinsLB Jerome Baker, LB Sam Eguavoen
EaglesLB Eric Wilson, LB T.J. Edwards, LB Alex Singleton
FalconsLB Foyesade Oluokun (yes, he played 100% of ATL's defensive snaps this season)
GiantsLB Blake Martinez, LB Tae Crowder
JaguarsLB Damien Wilson, LB Myles Jack
JetsLB C.J. Mosley, LB Jamien Sherwood
LionsLB Alex Anzalone, LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin
PackersLB De’Vondre Campbell, LB Krys Barnes
PanthersLB Shaq Thompson, LB Jermaine Carter Jr.
RaidersLB Denzel Perryman, LB Corey Littleton
SaintsLB Demario Davis, LB Pete Werner
SeahawksLB Bobby Wagner, LB Cody Barton
SteelersLB Joe Schobert, LB Robert Spillane
TexansLB Christian Kirksey, LB Zach Cunningham, LB Neville Hewitt
TitansLB David Long Jr., LB Jayon Brown
VikingsLB Anthony Barr, LB Nick Vigil
BrownsLB Malcolm Smith, S John Johnson III, LB Anthony Walker Jr.
CowboysLB Micah Parsons, S Jayron Kearse
ChargersS Derwin James, LB Kyzir White
PatriotsS Devin McCourty, LB Kyle Van Noy
RamsS Jordan Fuller, LB Ernest Jones, LB Troy Reeder, S Eric Weddle
RavensS Chuck Clark, S Geno Stone

Boston Saint 05-19-2022 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 952392)
Yes. It was Davis, with Werner as his backup with the dot. Here's all the defensive dot wearers from 2021.

Who Wears the Dot?

TeamPlayers
49ersLB Fred Warner, LB Azeez Al-Shaair
BearsLB Roquan Smith, LB Alec Ogletree
BengalsLB Logan Wilson, LB Germaine Pratt
BillsLB Tremaine Edmunds, LB A.J. Klein
BroncosLB Alexander Johnson, LB Justin Strnad, LB Baron Browning, LB Kenny Young
BuccaneersLB Devin White, LB Lavonte David
CardinalsLB Jordan Hicks, LB Tanner Vallejo
ChiefsLB Anthony Hitchens, LB Ben Niemann, LB Nick Bolton
ColtsLB Darius Leonard, LB Bobby Okereke
CommandersLB Cole Holcomb, LB David Mayo
DolphinsLB Jerome Baker, LB Sam Eguavoen
EaglesLB Eric Wilson, LB T.J. Edwards, LB Alex Singleton
FalconsLB Foyesade Oluokun (yes, he played 100% of ATL's defensive snaps this season)
GiantsLB Blake Martinez, LB Tae Crowder
JaguarsLB Damien Wilson, LB Myles Jack
JetsLB C.J. Mosley, LB Jamien Sherwood
LionsLB Alex Anzalone, LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin
PackersLB De’Vondre Campbell, LB Krys Barnes
PanthersLB Shaq Thompson, LB Jermaine Carter Jr.
RaidersLB Denzel Perryman, LB Corey Littleton
SaintsLB Demario Davis, LB Pete Werner
SeahawksLB Bobby Wagner, LB Cody Barton
SteelersLB Joe Schobert, LB Robert Spillane
TexansLB Christian Kirksey, LB Zach Cunningham, LB Neville Hewitt
TitansLB David Long Jr., LB Jayon Brown
VikingsLB Anthony Barr, LB Nick Vigil
BrownsLB Malcolm Smith, S John Johnson III, LB Anthony Walker Jr.
CowboysLB Micah Parsons, S Jayron Kearse
ChargersS Derwin James, LB Kyzir White
PatriotsS Devin McCourty, LB Kyle Van Noy
RamsS Jordan Fuller, LB Ernest Jones, LB Troy Reeder, S Eric Weddle
RavensS Chuck Clark, S Geno Stone

This designates the radio/headset guy. Does the backfield have an additional coordinator onfield to help put guys in place in addition? Like the shortstop and second baseman will coordinate without the outfielders.

saintsfan1976 05-19-2022 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 952361)
More so than any other team with changes in the defensive backfield? More so than any team with any changes to the defensive coaching and/or schemes? If so, will those issues exceed their individual athletic abilities to still have the defense be able to perform at a high level?

Basically, there are always issues with the defensive secondary every year with every team to a degree. I believe they'll weather those issue just fine especially considering the teams we face leading off the season.

Don't overcomplicate the argument Guido. We've seen it before and specifically in DA's defense. There will be communication issues to start the season.

I hope it doesn't cause us to lose games we "should win".

neugey 05-19-2022 02:50 PM

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The Eric Wilson signing (ex-Vikings) clears up some of the stress about LB depth.

AsylumGuido 05-19-2022 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 952394)
Don't overcomplicate the argument Guido. We've seen it before and specifically in DA's defense. There will be communication issues to start the season.

I hope it doesn't cause us to lose games we "should win".

Yes. I agree there will be some of the same learning curve issues per usual. I just feel it may be a tad less of an issue with veterans (Maye and Mathieu) being plugged into starting positions as opposed to rookies as in the recent past. Lattimore, Adebo, and Ceedy should by now have a solid comfort level in Allen's scheme. This is the most seasoned secondary we have had in some time starting off a new season.

Also, something else to note is that we now have the Chief's starting safety tandem from 2021 (Mathieu and Sorensen) on the squad if Maye for any reason isn't ready.

K Major 05-19-2022 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 952396)

Also, something else to note is that we now have the Chief's starting safety tandem from 2021 (Mathieu and Sorensen) on the squad if Maye for any reason isn't ready.

Something tells me Alontae will come in and contribute immediately.

If Maye can't go, I think Dennis/Kris will come up with a better Plan B (PJ Williams) on the back end at safety.

Sorensen (below avg in coverage) is 6 waiting to happen. He fell off a cliff in 2021.


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