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SmashMouth 05-25-2022 02:20 PM

Captain Checkdown: The quarterbacks who most and least rely on checkdown passes
 
Who is the NFL’s “Captain Checkdown” when it comes to quarterback play? There’s nothing inherently wrong with checkdown passes — the best quarterbacks in the league employ them regularly, and they can be vital to an offense's success and efficiency — but quarterbacks shouldn’t be too keen on them.

Checkdowns are designed to generate a positive play out of a negative situation. Elite coverage or unexpected pressure can disrupt a passing play's timing and take away the bigger play a quarterback wants to make, but checkdowns allow signal-callers to still generate a positive play rather than throw the ball away or take a sack.

The problems arise when quarterbacks are too quick to hit their checkdown options, which never gives bigger plays an opportunity to develop. With that in mind, which NFL quarterbacks fall into which categories?

Check the check down charlies here

K Major 05-25-2022 02:46 PM

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Before opening the link, I can't lie I was thinking of Teddy B.

Kinda surprised to see Carr & Ryan so high up on the list.

Rugby Saint II 05-30-2022 09:57 AM

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Personally, l've see Ryan on that list for a long time.

Thirty3 05-30-2022 10:23 AM

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Checkdown comparisons are apples and oranges. I'd rather have the checkdown than an interception. Of course it becomes obvious when a QB becomes a chicken. Happy feet, erratic throws etc. When Reggie left they asked Payton what woud he miss the most and Payton said, the 30 yards on a check down pass. Way too many POSITIVES about a check down to be negative about them, but I do acknowledge some QBs get frightened too soon and use them to the detriment of the Long game and NFL defenses catch on quick.

Boston Saint 05-30-2022 10:42 AM

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Gotta say, I’d put Brady high on the list. He sure was Captain Checkdown when he lead the comeback in the SB against the failclowns.

darksoul35 05-31-2022 05:34 PM

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With Kamara Winston can check down all he wants.

jeanpierre 06-01-2022 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 952868)
Gotta say, I’d put Brady high on the list. He sure was Captain Checkdown when he lead the comeback in the SB against the failclowns.

Tom Brady can't credit RB James White enough for Brady's success...

jeanpierre 06-01-2022 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Thirty3 (Post 952864)
Checkdown comparisons are apples and oranges. I'd rather have the checkdown than an interception. Of course it becomes obvious when a QB becomes a chicken. Happy feet, erratic throws etc. When Reggie left they asked Payton what woud he miss the most and Payton said, the 30 yards on a check down pass. Way too many POSITIVES about a check down to be negative about them, but I do acknowledge some QBs get frightened too soon and use them to the detriment of the Long game and NFL defenses catch on quick.

Can't argue with that rationale. Still have to be able to push it deep downfield to keep the defense honest, from collapsing down, but a checkdown can still get you a first down...

Rugby Saint II 06-02-2022 10:57 AM

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like Winston doesn't check down very well. He doesn't have enough touch to the ball and he zips it with too much velocity.Maybe it's because I still see Kamara making circus catches on a simple check down.

SaintGnome 06-02-2022 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 953003)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like Winston doesn't check down very well. He doesn't have enough touch to the ball and he zips it with too much velocity.Maybe it's because I still see Kamara making circus catches on a simple check down.

I think he takes too long making the check down decision and it makes him rush the throw.

AsylumGuido 06-02-2022 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 953003)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like Winston doesn't check down very well. He doesn't have enough touch to the ball and he zips it with too much velocity.Maybe it's because I still see Kamara making circus catches on a simple check down.

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 953005)
I think he takes too long making the check down decision and it makes him rush the throw.

I don't think we have truly seen what he is currently capable of doing. I feel that basing whatever we saw from his time in Tampa must be taken with a grain of salt. He was never asked to "check down", but rather to constantly go for the big play, in other words, "no risk it, no biscuit". He has now had two years learning from Payton and/or Brees. In his brief stint last season he had no fewer than two starting offensive linemen missing every game and just like the rest of our QB's didn't have a tremendous amount of time to throw the ball.

jeanpierre 06-02-2022 04:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 953003)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like Winston doesn't check down very well. He doesn't have enough touch to the ball and he zips it with too much velocity.Maybe it's because I still see Kamara making circus catches on a simple check down.

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 953005)
I think he takes too long making the check down decision and it makes him rush the throw.

Believe y'all's analysis is well-worded; his apologists will say he's not had enough time in the Saints System, but five years in Tampa, plus this is his third season with the Saints...

Am curious how many years, games of this great roster must be wasted before we go to another option at QB should this not play out as well as some hope?

Gonna sit back, support Saints Football, let rightly earned praise, criticisms fall accordingly, call BS, question as season moves along, and see how QB1 progresses or digresses...

AsylumGuido 06-02-2022 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 953021)
Believe y'all's analysis is well-worded; his apologists will say he's not had enough time in the Saints System, but five years in Tampa, plus this is his third season with the Saints...

Am curious how many years, games of this great roster must be wasted before we go to another option at QB should this not shake out well?

Gonna sit back, support the Saints, let rightly earned praise, criticisms fall accordingly, call BS, question same as season moves along, and see how he progresses or digresses...

I believe Winston has had plenty of time in the Saints system, but has yet to have a legitimate chance to show what he has absorbed. He'll now be getting that well earned chance. No more being thrown under the bus schematically by the vastly over-rated Bruce "No risk it, no biscuit" Arians. No more trying to always having to play catch up with the 31st (2018) and 29nd (2019) ranked scoring defenses in the NFL letting him down game after game.

SaintGnome 06-02-2022 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 953009)
I don't think we have truly seen what he is currently capable of doing. I feel that basing whatever we saw from his time in Tampa must be taken with a grain of salt. He was never asked to "check down", but rather to constantly go for the big play, in other words, "no risk it, no biscuit". He has now had two years learning from Payton and/or Brees. In his brief stint last season he had no fewer than two starting offensive linemen missing every game and just like the rest of our QB's didn't have a tremendous amount of time to throw the ball.

I didn't say he couldn't get or be better, just what I've observed (rightly or wrongly) in the sample size we have.
I mentioned on another post Winston should be brought along slowly. If I was PC I'd tell JW to go progression #1, #2, then go directly to checkdown. If check down is not there, TAKE THE SACK, and live another day. If he gets good at that and the protection is there then go through more progressions.

AsylumGuido 06-02-2022 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 953034)
I didn't say he couldn't get or be better, just what I've observed (rightly or wrongly) in the sample size we have.
I mentioned on another post Winston should be brought along slowly. If I was PC I'd tell JW to go progression #1, #2, then go directly to checkdown. If check down is not there, TAKE THE SACK, and live another day. If he gets good at that and the protection is there then go through more progressions.

Agree with the sample size.

If Pete Carmichael is aware as I think he is he should be able to ascertain Winston's capabilities of handling the progressions facing arguably the best defense in the league in practice. I doubt he's going to see anything more capable once the season starts.

Of course, I may be wrong, but I fully expect Winston and the Saints offense to be rolling right off the bat.


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