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saintsfan1976 06-06-2022 01:59 PM
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Ruiz. Three years, albeit difficult years has not played to his draft status nor to the level of players taken 10-15 picks after him.

Baun. Did we really waste a two 3rd round picks on a backup LB playing out of position?

Trautman. Look, I'm pulling for him I really am, but we traded away picks 130, 169, 203, and 244 (our entire second day) for a guy who has more drops than TDs.

Tommy F'n Stevens. LOF'nL.... Is this kid even IN the NFL still?

So I don't know what your definition of crap is Guido but in my book this is it.

K Major 06-06-2022 02:39 PM
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Ruiz was the weakest link ... even amongst backups in 2021. Unacceptable at his draft position.

Zero awareness and looks lost out there. Almost got Ian Book & JW killed out there.

Dougie M will either coach him up, or he'll be replaced. This is his last chance.

AsylumGuido 06-06-2022 03:41 PM
Re: Saints sign UDFA OL Khalique Washington to 3-year deal
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 953150)
Ruiz. Three years, albeit difficult years has not played to his draft status nor to the level of players taken 10-15 picks after him.

Baun. Did we really waste a two 3rd round picks on a backup LB playing out of position?

Trautman. Look, I'm pulling for him I really am, but we traded away picks 130, 169, 203, and 244 (our entire second day) for a guy who has more drops than TDs.

Tommy F'n Stevens. LOF'nL.... Is this kid even IN the NFL still?

So I don't know what your definition of crap is Guido but in my book this is it.
It has only been TWO years for Ruiz and the others. And both years have been severely impacted by COVID restrictions. The draft class may very well end up being crap. But, until given a real chance it is difficult to assign a final grade. At this point it can't reasonably be anything except for an "incomplete". As Major_K points out it is now coming up on year three and Doug Marrone is in charge of the offensive line. Let's see how it turns out.

As for Tommy Stevens, there's a ton of players drafted in 2020 that are no longer on rosters. He's one of them.

AsylumGuido 06-06-2022 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 953152)
Ruiz was the weakest link ... even amongst backups in 2021. Unacceptable at his draft position.

Zero awareness and looks lost out there. Almost got Ian Book & JW killed out there.

Dougie M will either coach him up, or he'll be replaced. This is his last chance.
Why would they have been starting Ruiz if they felt he was weaker than all of the backups? Are they seeing something that those outside the building are not?

halloween 65 06-06-2022 04:50 PM
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Why would they have been starting Ruiz if they felt he was weaker than all of the backups? Are they seeing something that those outside the building are not?
Well, sometimes it;s hard to admit a mistake. I blame the Saints for doubling and tripling down in the draft for this, the backup plan wasn't much of a plan in some cases. Out of all the draft picks given up for players that don't walk the walk and to think out of all the free picks given away there was not one ( or more players) we could have drafted to take care of the Ruiz spot. Payton gambled, so does Allen, just got to watch future picks leave town.

saintsfan1976 06-07-2022 05:17 AM
Re: Saints sign UDFA OL Khalique Washington to 3-year deal
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 953154)
It has only been TWO years for Ruiz and the others. And both years have been severely impacted by COVID restrictions. The draft class may very well end up being crap. But, until given a real chance it is difficult to assign a final grade. At this point it can't reasonably be anything except for an "incomplete". As Major_K points out it is now coming up on year three and Doug Marrone is in charge of the offensive line. Let's see how it turns out.

As for Tommy Stevens, there's a ton of players drafted in 2020 that are no longer on rosters. He's one of them.
If you're going to blame Ruiz's performance on Covid how do you explain how many of his draft peers flourished?

Take as much time as you need Guido but IMO we'll need a 180 from those left on the roster to be even a somewhat successful draft (net 3 players).

Last thing I'll ask on Tommy - how many players who were traded UP for didn't make it through training camp in their FIRST season

AsylumGuido 06-07-2022 08:40 AM
Re: Saints sign UDFA OL Khalique Washington to 3-year deal
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 953175)
If you're going to blame Ruiz's performance on Covid how do you explain how many of his draft peers flourished?

Take as much time as you need Guido but IMO we'll need a 180 from those left on the roster to be even a somewhat successful draft (net 3 players).

Last thing I'll ask on Tommy - how many players who were traded UP for didn't make it through training camp in their FIRST season
I'm not sure. How many of them were offensive lineman switched to a completely different position than they played regularly in college? And how many of those linemen had to shift positions multiple times during their second season? And how many of those linemen had every other lineman on their squad miss significant time to injury? How well did they flourish?

As for a successful draft, I have commonly heard that getting two or three starters is considered a successful draft. Regardless of how you feel about Ruiz and Trautman they are both starters.

Once again, I'm not saying that Ruiz will definitely be a success, but in all honesty one would have to admit that the circumstances (which appear to be unique to his situation) have made it impossible to fairly judge his potential to date. Now if he stinks it up this season I'll take the seat right beside you on the bandwagon. :D

AsylumGuido 06-07-2022 08:47 AM
Re: Saints sign UDFA OL Khalique Washington to 3-year deal
 
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 953160)
Well, sometimes it;s hard to admit a mistake. I blame the Saints for doubling and tripling down in the draft for this, the backup plan wasn't much of a plan in some cases. Out of all the draft picks given up for players that don't walk the walk and to think out of all the free picks given away there was not one ( or more players) we could have drafted to take care of the Ruiz spot. Payton gambled, so does Allen, just got to watch future picks leave town.
You are assuming that they would want to replace Ruiz. Have you considered that they take the circumstances surrounding the start of his career into consideration? Ruiz was drafted under the Payton regime. I'll guarantee you that he won't be starting at right guard this season if Doug Marrone doesn't feel he's the best choice on our current roster for the starting gig.

jeanpierre 06-07-2022 09:59 AM
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Well, while I don't disagree with the other picks in that draft being bad selections (e.g. Ruiz, Baun), have some thoughts regarding Adam Trautman to consider...

First, see similarities between Trautman & Davenport; yes, much draft capital was invested to move up & draft each, that's on Payton/Loomis, not the players...

Second, as a rookie, Trautman was 3rd behind Jared Cook, Josh Hill, so limited opportunities; Trautman managed 16 Tgt, 15 rec (hardly the drops), and a RedTD...

Third, have mentioned before, Trautman was drafted out of Dayton; previous draftee was in 1977; Dayton is a FCS school, limited resources, coaching talent vs FBS schools...

Fourth, he had an awful statistical season his second season, his first real season, no question; but remember, he was injured most of the season, still played...

Trautman even went on IR and came back to play, still injured; 27 rec on 43 tgt is awful, but his first full season, injured throughout, with 4 different QBs? Little perspective...

Fifth, other than Josh Hill, we've not had a quality blocking TE on the roster since '06; Trautman has developed well there, despite injury, so factor that in the calculus...

Sixth, go back and watch the film from last season; while Trautman did struggle, have a hard time calling many of those targets legitimate, convertible targets...

Agree that Baun was a poor pick, fit and even have suggested moving him to a team with a 3-4 front, and we could get a RB or better fit LBer, allow Trautman some slack...

In so far as Ruiz, hated the pick from the start as there were better players, and better needs available; and as I've argued, a 1st Rd pick should start right away...

They may not be ProBowlers right away, but a first round pick, save, maybe mid-late 1st round QB, should start immediately, and play with an average grade...

saintsfan1976 06-07-2022 04:05 PM
Re: Saints sign UDFA OL Khalique Washington to 3-year deal
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 953176)
I'm not sure. How many of them were offensive lineman switched to a completely different position than they played regularly in college? And how many of those linemen had to shift positions multiple times during their second season? And how many of those linemen had every other lineman on their squad miss significant time to injury? How well did they flourish?

As for a successful draft, I have commonly heard that getting two or three starters is considered a successful draft. Regardless of how you feel about Ruiz and Trautman they are both starters.

Once again, I'm not saying that Ruiz will definitely be a success, but in all honesty one would have to admit that the circumstances (which appear to be unique to his situation) have made it impossible to fairly judge his potential to date. Now if he stinks it up this season I'll take the seat right beside you on the bandwagon. :D
Excuses. That's all I hear.

Three quality starters would be a decent draft unless you gave away oh, I don't know, SIX DRAFT PICKS for THREE guys we're still not sure will be here next season...


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