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AsylumGuido 07-18-2022 02:08 PM

Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
He's making a very good case.



Rugby Saint II 07-19-2022 11:19 AM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
First ballot? I would think so but he is a Saint, so there's that....

AsylumGuido 07-19-2022 11:31 AM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 954898)
First ballot? I would think so but he is a Saint, so there's that....

Well, Goodell and the league office have no say on who gets elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. That's 100% on the 49 members on the selection committee made up of mostly broadcasters and sports writers. Anyone can nominate a candidate, however, from what I read. Even you or I can write a letter to the Hall of Fame proposing a nomination. I never knew that.

neugey 07-19-2022 01:02 PM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
Knock on wood, the longevity and availability and solid production has him amassing some very nice HOF totals. Hoping so.

lee909 07-19-2022 10:23 PM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
As it stands no

His numbers might deserve it, but no rings,no DPOY. Only 1 1st team all pro.

He will get caught up in a numbers game and will be one of those waiting for a quiet year to get in. Look at the players waiting now from the 2000-2010 era. Cam will be up with both Watt brothers,Cox,Suggs,Miller,Donald etc in a era that's offense first. He will be waiting along time

Crusader 07-20-2022 03:49 AM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
He probably would need another 3 10+ sack seasons to be considered.
If he could pass 150 sacks I think he'd get in right away.

SmashMouth 07-20-2022 09:35 AM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
Cameron Jordan will get in, no problem. He's fixing to break Rickey Jackson's sack record this year. He's way better than his dad ever was.

TheOak 07-20-2022 09:52 AM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 954901)
That's 100% on the 49 members on the selection committee made up of mostly broadcasters and sports writers.

The 49... 49'ers, Cowboys, Packers, Bears, Patriots, Steelers, Redskins, and Bills fans...? Might as well be Goodell.

TheOak 07-20-2022 09:53 AM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 954977)
As it stands no

His numbers might deserve it, but no rings,no DPOY. Only 1 1st team all pro.

He will get caught up in a numbers game and will be one of those waiting for a quiet year to get in. Look at the players waiting now from the 2000-2010 era. Cam will be up with both Watt brothers,Cox,Suggs,Miller,Donald etc in a era that's offense first. He will be waiting along time

Precisely what I was going to say. It's not all about stats. He has 1 All Pro and no Super Bowl.

Why does 1 All Pro matter? Because that's a press selection as well and the numbers do not add up for Cam sadly.

AsylumGuido 07-20-2022 01:05 PM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 955004)
The 49... 49'ers, Cowboys, Packers, Bears, Patriots, Steelers, Redskins, and Bills fans...? Might as well be Goodell.

One thing that matters, but shouldn't, is what the voters think of the candidate personally. There are few people in the entire league more liked and more accommodating with the press than Cam Jordan.

rezburna 07-20-2022 01:34 PM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
1x 1st Team All Pro
2x 2nd Team All Pro
7 Pro Bowls
107 sacks
137 TFL
573 combined tackles
0 Super Bowls

He needs a ring or some more sacks. If not he'll be waiting for years.

SmashMouth 07-20-2022 01:40 PM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 955022)
1x 1st Team All Pro
2x 2nd Team All Pro
7 Pro Bowls
107 sacks
137 TFL
573 combined tackles
0 Super Bowls

He needs a ring or some more sacks. If not he'll be waiting for years.

He should have gotten a ring or two in that span of years. He missed 2009 by two years.

K Major 07-20-2022 02:49 PM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 955022)
1x 1st Team All Pro
2x 2nd Team All Pro
7 Pro Bowls
107 sacks
137 TFL
573 combined tackles
0 Super Bowls

He needs a ring or some more sacks. If not he'll be waiting for years.

Agreed.

LC Greenwood’s family is still awaiting the call and he has multiple SB rings.

Cam will need to pick up the pace before he hangs em up.

AsylumGuido 07-20-2022 03:07 PM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 955026)
Agreed.

LC Greenwood’s family is still awaiting the call and he has multiple SB rings.

Cam will need to pick up the pace before he hangs em up.

They were discussing SB rings and the relevance to the HOF last week on NFL Radio. Two of those in the discussion (Vic Carruci and Alex Marvez) were HOF voters and they said being on a SB winning team isn't as important as some may think. It's not something stressed when going over qualifications. Sure, many, if not most, HOF members have been associated with a championship team, but much of that comes from longevity and not personal achievement. They said if it came down to two players with almost identical qualifications with one having played on a SB winning team then it may then be considered. Just look at Jim Kelly and Dan Marino as two examples they gave.

AsylumGuido 07-20-2022 03:10 PM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
By the way, here are the individuals that determine who makes it in or not ... The Times-Picayune's very own Jeff Duncan is one of them.

Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee

ArizonaKent Somers, Arizona Republic
AtlantaDarryl Ledbetter, Atlanta Journal-Constitution *
BaltimoreScott Garceau, 105.7 The Fan/WMAR-TV
BuffaloVic Carucci, WGRZ-TV #
CarolinaDarin Gantt, Carolina Panthers
ChicagoDan Pompei, The Athletic *
CincinnatiGeoff Hobson, Bengals.com
ClevelandTony Grossi, ESPNCleveland.com/WKNR Radio
DallasRick Gosselin, Talk of Fame Network *
DenverJeff Legwold, ESPN/ESPN.com *
DetroitDave Birkett, Detroit Free Press
Green BayPete Dougherty, Green Bay Press-Gazette
HoustonJohn McClain, retired, Houston Chronicle *
IndianapolisMike Chappell, Fox 59/CBS 4
JacksonvilleSam Kouvaris, SamSportsLine.com
Kansas CityVahe Gregorian, Kansas City Star
Las VegasFrank Cooney, The Sports Xchange *
Los Angeles (Chargers)Eric Williams, Sports Illustrated
Los Angeles (Rams)Howard Balzer, Sports Illustrated *
MiamiArmando Salguero, Outkick.com
MinnesotaMark Craig, The Minneapolis Star-Tribune
New EnglandRon Borges, Talk of Fame Network *
New OrleansJeff Duncan, Times-Picayune
New York (Giants)Bob Glauber, Newsday *
New York (Jets)Gary Myers, Author *
PhiladelphiaPaul Domowitch, the33rdteam.com/PhillyMag.com
PittsburghEd Bouchette, retired, The Athletic
San FranciscoMatt Maiocco, CSNBayArea.com
SeattleMike Sando, The Athletic #
Tampa BayIra Kaufman, JoeBucsFan.com *
TennesseePaul Kuharsky, PaulKuharsky.com/Outkick360 #
WashingtonJarrett Bell, USA Today #
PFWALindsay Jones, The Athletic
At-LargeMary Cay Cabot, Cleveland Plain Dealer
At-LargeJason Cole, FanSided.com
At-LargeJohn Czarnecki, FOX Sports *
At-LargeTony Dungy, NBC Sports "Football Night in America" (Hall of Famer)
At-LargeDan Fouts, Broadcaster (Hall of Famer) #
At-LargeClark Judge, Talk of Fame Network #
At-LargePeter King, NBC Sports #
At-LargeJames Lofton, CBS Sports (Hall of Famer)
At-LargeAlex Marvez, SiriusXM NFL Radio
At-LargeBill Polian, SiriusXM NFL Radio (Hall of Famer) #
At-LargeSal Paolantonio, ESPN #
At-LargeLisa Salters, ESPN "Monday Night Football"
At-LargeJim Trotter, NFL Network #
At-LargeCharean Williams, Pro Football Talk #
At-LargeBarry Wilner, retired, Associated Press #
At-LargeOPEN

* Member of the Seniors Selection Committee
# Member of the Coach/Contributor Selection Committee

TheOak 07-21-2022 06:30 AM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 955017)
One thing that matters, but shouldn't, is what the voters think of the candidate personally. There are few people in the entire league more liked and more accommodating with the press than Cam Jordan.

Yes but that's only a portion of it. No one gets in on their own merit, you have to first have your own merit and secondly you have to stand out amongst that years candidates. Its the contrast that kills most people and most of the voters are not Saints fans which means Cam gets less viewership from the voters.

To my point, would Cutler have been talked about as much as a Saint? No, but he was a Bear so he had greater exposure. Mother f***ers play favorites whether we want to believe that or not.

AsylumGuido 07-21-2022 10:32 AM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 955036)
Yes but that's only a portion of it. No one gets in on their own merit, you have to first have your own merit and secondly you have to stand out amongst that years candidates. Its the contrast that kills most people and most of the voters are not Saints fans which means Cam gets less viewership from the voters.

To my point, would Cutler have been talked about as much as a Saint? No, but he was a Bear so he had greater exposure. Mother f***ers play favorites whether we want to believe that or not.

Fortunately the process doesn't take place in a vacuum. It's the job of the member representing the nominee to sell that nominee. It's my understanding that these presentations can be very in-depth, especially for those NOT already well known by the other members. When Cam's time comes up it will probably be Jeff Duncan's, or the Saints voting member at the time's, job to give every reason why Jordan belongs.

At least 32 of the 49 members are beat writers and not "fans" of any team. I've known many sports writers and broadcasters in my day and they are almost to a man, or woman, frustratingly neutral when it comes to the team they cover. Any allegiance usually belongs to the team they pulled for growing up.

But, yes, they can and do play favorites I would suppose. I have heard that players that have a bad reputation for with the press have a tougher hill to climb than those who the press like in general. Cam's seems to have been campaigning quite a bit in that realm recently. :D

bobdog86 07-21-2022 05:11 PM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
my .02- Definitely not first ballot, Has to contend with the big market bias, (yes it exist) and that wow factor or glaring stat that most have. Winning Super Bowls is a big deal, but it's not all that. Just means the player was part of a well rounded team, which offers up the old question...was the player that great? or was the player just a cog in a well oiled machine. AKA LC Greenwood, Trent Dilfer. Something like a top five in sacks, Pro Bowl/All-Pro, maybe Deep playoff run where he puts the team on his shoulders via key plays, sacks, TFL in the next couple of seasons would probably cement his eventual ticket. Just may take awhile, while adding a little jam to his toast.

K Major 07-21-2022 05:41 PM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
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Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 955084)
my .02- Definitely not first ballot, Has to contend with the big market bias, (yes it exist) and that wow factor or glaring stat that most have. Winning Super Bowls is a big deal, but it's not all that. Just means the player was part of a well rounded team, which offers up the old question...was the player that great? or was the player just a cog in a well oiled machine. AKA LC Greenwood, Trent Dilfer. Something like a top five in sacks, Pro Bowl/All-Pro, maybe Deep playoff run where he puts the team on his shoulders via key plays, sacks, TFL in the next couple of seasons would probably cement his eventual ticket. Just may take awhile, while adding a little jam to his toast.

LC was that good in those trenches. His numbers are what they are. A GREAT player.

If stats (sacks, tfl, hurries) were recorded when he entered the league, there is no telling where his totals may have ended. His post-season stats are among the best that's ever lined up at DE.

But as Rez eluded to earlier in a previous post, Cam is going to have to pick up the pace quite a bit, otherwise, he'll have to wait (see Klecko, Jim Marshall & Gastineau) a long time before he gets the call.

SmashMouth 07-22-2022 05:39 AM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 955088)
LC was that good in those trenches. His numbers are what they are. A GREAT player.

If stats (sacks, tfl, hurries) were recorded when he entered the league, there is no telling where his totals may have ended. His post-season stats are among the best that's ever lined up at DE.

But as Rez eluded to earlier in a previous post, Cam is going to have to pick up the pace quite a bit, otherwise, he'll have to wait (see Klecko, Jim Marshall & Gastineau) a long time before he gets the call.

Cam ain't finished yet, homies! :bng:

SaintGnome 07-22-2022 10:51 AM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
It will help if he gets into and flourishes in media after his career. He sat in as an analyst on ESPN one day and did a really good job.

Rugby Saint II 07-24-2022 11:46 AM

Re: Cam Jordan Hall of Fame?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 955116)
It will help if he gets into and flourishes in media after his career. He sat in as an analyst on ESPN one day and did a really good job.

Oh yes! He is smooth behind a microphone just like he is on the field. He will do very well in announcing.


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