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SaintFanInATLHELL 09-15-2022 09:41 AM

Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
Takes a look at how and why sacks happened. May be helpful to fix things in future games:

https://firstdownsaints.substack.com...ed?r=a9rcj&s=w

SFIAH

AsylumGuido 09-15-2022 10:16 AM

Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
Excellent article.

leilung 09-15-2022 10:46 AM

Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
Very nice breakdown... of the breakdowns!

Crusader 09-15-2022 10:48 AM

Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
Now that is the type of detailed break down that I love to read. I highly recommend everyone here to read it.

AsylumGuido 09-15-2022 11:11 AM

Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
I'll be the first to admit that I know very little about all of the complexities surrounding pass blocking, but I do know that there is far more to it than simple one on one blocking. I'd like to think adjustments were made at halftime and that those mental errors will be corrected with practice as the season progresses.

Boston Saint 09-15-2022 11:22 AM

Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 958476)
Takes a look at how and why sacks happened. May be helpful to fix things in future games:

https://firstdownsaints.substack.com...ed?r=a9rcj&s=w

SFIAH

Thanks for the link SFIAH.

turbo_dog 09-15-2022 12:43 PM

Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
Nice explanation of protections. I hope the line forms cohesion as the season progresses.

AsylumGuido 09-15-2022 02:54 PM

Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
The coach said the same thing basically as the article just now.


Crusader 09-15-2022 02:58 PM

Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 958485)
I'll be the first to admit that I know very little about all of the complexities surrounding pass blocking, but I do know that there is far more to it than simple one on one blocking. I'd like to think adjustments were made at halftime and that those mental errors will be corrected with practice as the season progresses.

Well really if you wanna dumb it down its either man on man blocking or slide protection where you move to and block everything that shows up on the side you are sliding to.

If you wanna make it a litte more complex you have all sorts of mixes of the two. When you start involving RBs and chip blocks, passing defenders down the line, cross blocking in pass pro and such, well then it gets hard pretty quick :-D

I used to run the "3 jet" protection, we called it ABC because those were the gaps we slid to with a Larry or Ringo tag to know what side to slid to. We had man blocking on the backside, just like the Saints, if they had a 6th rusher the RB would have to pick him up, working to the backside or the QB could send the RB on a route and be responsible for that passrusher himself.
At times it will happen during games that the QB (or C, depending who makes the protection calls) will call a protection going the wrong way just because you get caught up in it all, I would not be surprised if that was what happened here and that stuff will get cleaned up. Usually you enable the other O-line players to make a correcting call if a bad one is made, or if they see a potential blitzer creeping towards the LOS that the QB or center havn't seen.

saintsfan1976 09-15-2022 03:00 PM

Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
Good because Tampa's front will give us a huge test

AsylumGuido 09-15-2022 03:01 PM

Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 958499)
Well really if you wanna dumb it down its either man on man blocking or slide protection where you move to and block everything that shows up on the side you are sliding to.

If you wanna make it a litte more complex you have all sorts of mixes of the two. When you start involving RBs and chip blocks, passing defenders down the line, cross blocking in pass pro and such, well then it gets hard pretty quick :-D

I used to run the "3 jet" protection, we called it ABC because those were the gaps we slid to with a Larry or Ringo tag to know what side to slid to. We had man blocking on the backside, just like the Saints, if they had a 6th rusher the RB would have to pick him up, working to the backside or the QB could send the RB on a route and be responsible for that passrusher himself.
At times it will happen during games that the QB (or C, depending who makes the protection calls) will call a protection going the wrong way just because you get caught up in it all, I would not be surprised if that was what happened here and that stuff will get cleaned up. Usually you enable the other O-line players to make a correcting call if a bad one is made, or if they see a potential blitzer creeping towards the LOS that the QB or center havn't seen.

https://c.tenor.com/M-VFSWMueI8AAAAC/dizzy.gif

Boston Saint 09-15-2022 03:09 PM

Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 958501)

Maybe go back to knitting?

I couldn't resist Guido.

AsylumGuido 09-15-2022 03:28 PM

Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
It's easy to understand how blocking assignments can be missed. Especially when the defense is doing their best to disguise what they are bringing. I have heard more times than I can count how what looks to be a bad play by one player to the untrained eye actually falls on the shoulders of another as seen by someone that knows what they are seeing.

AsylumGuido 09-15-2022 03:36 PM

Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 958503)
Maybe go back to knitting?

I couldn't resist Guido.

I don't have the patience to knit. Give me a system that needs designed and programmed and I'd dive right into it. Been retired now for seven years and finally got a chance to design an accounting system for my wife's side business. That's more my speed.

Thirty3 09-15-2022 05:31 PM

Re: Analysis of sacks on Winston week 1.
 
Article was great except they didn't time how long Jameis held the ball.
First two = from the video provided in the article - were (timed by my stopwatch on the iphone) were at or longer than 4 seconds. Admittedly, my timing could be off. Anyone want to check it? The second two sacks were definately blocking errors. I'm just glad they got it right the last quarter.


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