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AsylumGuido 10-03-2022 05:15 PM

Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings

John Sigler

October 3, 2022 5:01 pm CT

The New Orleans Saints took the Minnesota Vikings down to the wire in a game that looked lost early on, rallying in the second half off of some really strong performances. But we can’t overlook the negative plays and low moments that created the situation to begin with. To help illustrate this, let’s explore the Saints player grades from Pro Football Focus after Week 4’s loss, filtering out those who didn’t play at least 33% of snaps on offense or defense:

Top 5 offense (minimum 19 snaps)

RB Latavius Murray: 82.7
QB Andy Dalton: 79.8
RT Ryan Ramczyk: 78.3
TE Adam Trautman: 77.2
WR Chris Olave: 76.8

What a day for Murray, who ran well with fresh legs and scored a touchdown carry in his first game back. He followed his blockers well and ran hard through contact, twice picking up gains of 10-plus yards. Neither Ramczyk and right guard Cesar Ruiz were the only starters along the offensive line to avoid yielding any pressures, and Ramczyk was the sole starting lineman to do that and escape the game penalty-free.

And this was a nice game for Trautman, who outsnapped Juwan Johnson for the first time this season (39 reps to 29), though Johnson still received more looks on passing downs (19 to 10). Still, both tight ends finished the game with 3 receptions, though Trautman gained 37 (twice converting a first down) and Johnson had 33. They’re a nice one-two punch, but it’s still good to see improvement from Trautman as a former draft pick.

Olave – what more can we say? All 4 of his receptions converted a first down or scored a touchdown. He came down with 2 of the 3 contested-catch passes thrown his way. He’s earning every bit of the Offensive Rookie of the Year speculation being written about him.

Top 5 defense (minimum 23 snaps)

LB Demario Davis: 83.4
S P.J. Williams: 80.4
S Tyrann Mathieu: 80.4
DE Marcus Davenport: 78.1
DE Cameron Jordan: 75.5

Davis was in rare form against Minnesota, sacking Kirk Cousins on a perfectly-timed blitz and only yielding 3 yards after catch in coverage (and just 21 yards total, off of 2 receptions). He was making plays all over the field. So was Mathieu, who intercepted his first pass of the season and was credited with 5 tackles, though he did have a pair of missed efforts.

Let’s talk about the defensive ends. Davenport and Jordan were really impressive rushing off the edge, combining for 10 quarterback pressures and two sacks (PFF doesn’t count half-sacks, instead rounding up). We also saw them stand up in run defense – Jordan controlled his side of the line and was credited with 4 tackles, all counting as defensive stops. The Saints need more of these positive plays out of them.

Bottom 5 offense (minimum 19 snaps)

LG Calvin Throckmorton: 35.6
LT James Hurst: 48.9
C Erik McCoy: 57.6
SR Jarvis Landry: 58.4
RB Mark ingram II: 65.6

As strong as the right side of the Saints offensive line was, the left really struggled. Some of that is on Throckmorton, who was flagged twice for false starts (after he drew four of those same penalties last season). Hurst also deserves criticism after being beaten badly for a sack. They should perform better against a weaker Seahawks defensive front, but it all starts up front, and they’ve got to do their jobs better.

You’d like to see the Saints giving Landry more looks. He’s still playing predominantly from the slot (he ran 20 of his 21 routes from that alignment) and he won his lone contested catch target, but neither of his receptions came close to converting a first down. The Saints have really backed off of the vertical-threat, big-play role Landry showcased back in Week 1.

Bottom 5 defense (minimum 23 snaps)

CB Marshon Lattimore: 34.1
DT David Onyemata: 46.2
DT Shy Tuttle: 54.0
LB Pete Werner: 56.9
DT Kentavius Street: 58.8

This was the worst game Lattimore played in years, but Justin Jefferson tends to do that to his opponents. It was a competitive matchup (Lattimore had a pair of pass breakups) but Jefferson did log 7 receptions for 93 yards, converting 4 first downs. But the Saints coaching staff share some blame here in not recognizing that it wasn’t his day and adjusting coverage to account for it. Lattimore shouldn’t have been left on an island with Jefferson at critical moments late in the fourth quarter.

Werner’s grade isn’t as bad as it looks. The Vikings picked on him in coverage early in the game, getting Werner matched up with receivers like Jefferson and Adam Thielen, who quickly picked up 3 catches and 24 yards against him. New Orleans did a better job of getting Werner on running backs as the game continued, and he ended the day with the team’s best run defense grade (notching 5 stops on 8 tackles).

It’s also troubling to see all three of the defensive tackles on the 53-man roster grade out so poorly, though Tuttle did receive positive marks for his run defense reps and Street was highlighted as a pass rusher. Hopefully Malcolm Roach can return soon and produce some impactful snaps in the interior rotation.

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AsylumGuido 10-03-2022 05:19 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Ramczyk and Ruiz held up fine, but from McCoy out through Hurst ... bad. It's hard to place too much blame on McCoy however when both the tackle and guard to your left are struggling. As for Throckmorton ... we need Peat back ... believe it or not.

cmike 10-03-2022 07:13 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
No need to read when Werner gets a bad grade. Guy is everywhere making plays.

AsylumGuido 10-03-2022 07:17 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cmike (Post 960059)
No need to read when Werner gets a bad grade. Guy is everywhere making plays.

Yeah. Sigler did explain it was because of being matched up against Jefferson and Thielen on a few plays. He's not going to win those, usually.

K Major 10-03-2022 08:12 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
FYI,

Latavius Murray is G O N E.

He’s a Bronco now 😕

papz 10-03-2022 08:34 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Calvin Throckmorton has been getting his ass kicked.

BakoSaint 10-03-2022 09:15 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Maybe we should sign a guard or left tackle off the broncos practice squad.

AsylumGuido 10-04-2022 07:01 AM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 960071)
Maybe we should sign a guard or left tackle off the broncos practice squad.

With all of the injuries to offensive linemen across the league already Throckmorton probably looks like an All Pro compared to what is left out there on practice squads.

K Major 10-04-2022 10:08 AM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Andrus Peat needs to get it together and suit up against Seattle.

Throckmorton is just out there. A human turnstile.

I don't take PFF as the gospel but in his case that number is accurate.

saintsfan1976 10-04-2022 11:32 AM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Too bad cause "Throckmorton" is a great lineman name!

AsylumGuido 10-04-2022 12:12 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
For anyone wondering why we don't just go out and get an upgrade for our offensive line, just have a peek at the offensive linemen currently on IR. This does not include the 56 offensive linemen that were on the week four injury reports.

PlayerTeamPositionDateInjury
Ben BrownCINC08/15/2022Biceps
Nick HarrisCLEC08/16/2022Knee
Ryan JensenTBC09/01/2022Knee
Doug KramerCHIC08/16/2022Lower Body
Chase RoullierWASC09/20/2022Knee
Isaac WeaverLACC08/16/2022Undisclosed
Logan BrussLAOG08/30/2022Knee
Dawson DeatonCLEOG08/16/2022Knee
Dakota DozierCHIOG06/21/2022Leg
Cody FordARIOG09/10/2022Ankle
Marquis HayesARIOG08/30/2022Knee
Tommy KraemerDETOG09/15/2022Back
Forrest LampNOOG08/19/2022Undisclosed
Shane LemieuxNYGOG09/01/2022Foot
Jalen MayfieldATLOG09/01/2022Back
Marcus McKethanNYGOG08/06/2022Knee
Wes SchweitzerWASOG10/01/2022Concussion
Aaron StinnieTBOG08/22/2022Knee
Halapoulivaati VaitaiDETOG09/05/2022Undisclosed
Tremayne AnchrumLAOT09/20/2022Ankle
Willie BeaversWASOT08/30/2022Undisclosed
Mekhi BectonNYJOT08/16/2022Knee
Duane BrownNYJOT09/10/2022Shoulder
Yodny CajusteNEOT10/01/2022Thumb
Andre DillardPHIOT09/06/2022Forearm
Tommy DoyleBUFOT09/27/2022Knee
George FantNYJOT09/27/2022Knee
Ethan GreenidgeNOOT08/15/2022Undisclosed
Austin JacksonMIAOT09/16/2022--
Ja'Wuan JamesBALOT09/13/2022Achilles
Jamarco JonesTENOT09/22/2022Triceps
Taylor LewanTENOT09/24/2022Knee
Joshua MilesARIOT08/31/2022Undisclosed
Elijah NkansahCLEOT08/17/2022Undisclosed
Carter O'DonnellINDOT08/02/2022Undisclosed
Brandon ParkerLVOT08/28/2022Triceps
Trevor PenningNOOT09/01/2022Foot
Isaiah PrinceCINOT09/02/2022Elbow
Rashawn SlaterLACOT09/28/2022Biceps
Tyron SmithDALOT09/01/2022Hamstring
Andrew TrainerLACOT08/10/2022Undisclosed
Casey TuckerDENOT08/24/2022Toe
Josh WellsTBOT09/21/2022Calf

Crusader 10-04-2022 01:48 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Thats a pretty long list.

Boston Saint 10-04-2022 02:15 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 960103)
Thats a pretty long list.

That’s what she said ! 🤣

hitta 10-04-2022 03:19 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Dalton is better than Winston, but we need a new QB if we are going to ever compete for a SB.

dizzle88 10-04-2022 03:44 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
The difficulty is the Eagles are likely going to get an immense pick from us, that we could have used for a QB.

rezburna 10-04-2022 03:56 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 960112)
The difficulty is the Eagles are likely going to get an immense pick from us, that we could have used for a QB.

I’m more annoyed by the fact we didn’t get **** back for CJ.

BakoSaint 10-04-2022 04:51 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 960095)
For anyone wondering why we don't just go out and get an upgrade for our offensive line, just have a peek at the offensive linemen currently on IR. This does not include the 56 offensive linemen that were on the week four injury reports.
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I agree its not easy.

Fortunately there are 0 GM’s and 0 head coaches on the IR or Week 4 injury report. So lets replace those first.

dizzle88 10-04-2022 04:53 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 960113)
I’m more annoyed by the fact we didn’t get **** back for CJ.

Yep agreed, completely bizarre.

AsylumGuido 10-04-2022 05:28 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 960113)
I’m more annoyed by the fact we didn’t get **** back for CJ.

Sounds like they had irreconcilable differences. Sometimes you just have to cut bait if nothing can be worked out. Other teams had to have been following Ceedy's "hold in" during camp. We probably accepted the best offer, albeit it not as much as most would have hoped.

AsylumGuido 10-04-2022 05:47 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 960103)
Thats a pretty long list.

The offensive lineman talent pool looks too be surprisingly small at the moment.

Rell&Gold 10-05-2022 08:31 AM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 960057)
Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings

John Sigler

October 3, 2022 5:01 pm CT

The New Orleans Saints took the Minnesota Vikings down to the wire in a game that looked lost early on, rallying in the second half off of some really strong performances. But we can’t overlook the negative plays and low moments that created the situation to begin with. To help illustrate this, let’s explore the Saints player grades from Pro Football Focus after Week 4’s loss, filtering out those who didn’t play at least 33% of snaps on offense or defense:

Top 5 offense (minimum 19 snaps)

RB Latavius Murray: 82.7
QB Andy Dalton: 79.8
RT Ryan Ramczyk: 78.3
TE Adam Trautman: 77.2
WR Chris Olave: 76.8

What a day for Murray, who ran well with fresh legs and scored a touchdown carry in his first game back. He followed his blockers well and ran hard through contact, twice picking up gains of 10-plus yards. Neither Ramczyk and right guard Cesar Ruiz were the only starters along the offensive line to avoid yielding any pressures, and Ramczyk was the sole starting lineman to do that and escape the game penalty-free.

And this was a nice game for Trautman, who outsnapped Juwan Johnson for the first time this season (39 reps to 29), though Johnson still received more looks on passing downs (19 to 10). Still, both tight ends finished the game with 3 receptions, though Trautman gained 37 (twice converting a first down) and Johnson had 33. They’re a nice one-two punch, but it’s still good to see improvement from Trautman as a former draft pick.

Olave – what more can we say? All 4 of his receptions converted a first down or scored a touchdown. He came down with 2 of the 3 contested-catch passes thrown his way. He’s earning every bit of the Offensive Rookie of the Year speculation being written about him.

Top 5 defense (minimum 23 snaps)

LB Demario Davis: 83.4
S P.J. Williams: 80.4
S Tyrann Mathieu: 80.4
DE Marcus Davenport: 78.1
DE Cameron Jordan: 75.5

Davis was in rare form against Minnesota, sacking Kirk Cousins on a perfectly-timed blitz and only yielding 3 yards after catch in coverage (and just 21 yards total, off of 2 receptions). He was making plays all over the field. So was Mathieu, who intercepted his first pass of the season and was credited with 5 tackles, though he did have a pair of missed efforts.

Let’s talk about the defensive ends. Davenport and Jordan were really impressive rushing off the edge, combining for 10 quarterback pressures and two sacks (PFF doesn’t count half-sacks, instead rounding up). We also saw them stand up in run defense – Jordan controlled his side of the line and was credited with 4 tackles, all counting as defensive stops. The Saints need more of these positive plays out of them.

Bottom 5 offense (minimum 19 snaps)

LG Calvin Throckmorton: 35.6
LT James Hurst: 48.9
C Erik McCoy: 57.6
SR Jarvis Landry: 58.4
RB Mark ingram II: 65.6

As strong as the right side of the Saints offensive line was, the left really struggled. Some of that is on Throckmorton, who was flagged twice for false starts (after he drew four of those same penalties last season). Hurst also deserves criticism after being beaten badly for a sack. They should perform better against a weaker Seahawks defensive front, but it all starts up front, and they’ve got to do their jobs better.

You’d like to see the Saints giving Landry more looks. He’s still playing predominantly from the slot (he ran 20 of his 21 routes from that alignment) and he won his lone contested catch target, but neither of his receptions came close to converting a first down. The Saints have really backed off of the vertical-threat, big-play role Landry showcased back in Week 1.

Bottom 5 defense (minimum 23 snaps)

CB Marshon Lattimore: 34.1
DT David Onyemata: 46.2
DT Shy Tuttle: 54.0
LB Pete Werner: 56.9
DT Kentavius Street: 58.8

This was the worst game Lattimore played in years, but Justin Jefferson tends to do that to his opponents. It was a competitive matchup (Lattimore had a pair of pass breakups) but Jefferson did log 7 receptions for 93 yards, converting 4 first downs. But the Saints coaching staff share some blame here in not recognizing that it wasn’t his day and adjusting coverage to account for it. Lattimore shouldn’t have been left on an island with Jefferson at critical moments late in the fourth quarter.

Werner’s grade isn’t as bad as it looks. The Vikings picked on him in coverage early in the game, getting Werner matched up with receivers like Jefferson and Adam Thielen, who quickly picked up 3 catches and 24 yards against him. New Orleans did a better job of getting Werner on running backs as the game continued, and he ended the day with the team’s best run defense grade (notching 5 stops on 8 tackles).

It’s also troubling to see all three of the defensive tackles on the 53-man roster grade out so poorly, though Tuttle did receive positive marks for his run defense reps and Street was highlighted as a pass rusher. Hopefully Malcolm Roach can return soon and produce some impactful snaps in the interior rotation.

Read more breakdown here ...

Saints ran alot of cover 4 and 3 due to the WR corp they played it to safe. There was very little 1v1 man coverage . Think they they were so focused on minimizing big plays Overtop on top of Maye not playing. Once again I'm not worried Lattimore and neither are the Saints. Lattimore is the LEAST of our problems. Tyrann missed tackles are more costly. Adebo looked like he restarted his rookie season. Roby needs to stay in the slot. This team's needs to get healthy. Oline still mid. Special Teams has to tighten up as well. I expect to see a dominant Saints team vs Seattle.

Rugby Saint II 10-05-2022 09:53 AM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Meanwhile, our highest rated RB is now playing for Denver. Man, when things go wrong they go wrong on all fronts at the same time....just ask Russia .:wink:

AsylumGuido 10-05-2022 11:42 AM

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Crusader 10-05-2022 02:53 PM

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dizzle88 10-05-2022 03:00 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 960169)

I think weve got a really good one here.

It's about time, the amount of LB's we've drafted over the years.

cmike 10-05-2022 03:35 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 960170)
I think weve got a really good one here.

It's about time, the amount of LB's we've drafted over the years.

When the winning starts, Werner will be a well know name around the league.
Kinda how Luke Kuechly rose to fame.
Pete needs to put on a little more muscle and he’ll be solid.

AsylumGuido 10-05-2022 03:37 PM

Re: Highest and lowest Saints PFF grades from Week 4 vs. Vikings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cmike (Post 960179)
When the winning starts, Werner will be a well know name around the league.
Kinda how Luke Kuechly rose to fame.
Pete needs to put on a little more muscle and he’ll be solid.

The winning starts this week.

AsylumGuido 10-06-2022 10:26 AM

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papz 10-06-2022 01:39 PM

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Such an underrated and underappreciated player on this team. Solid player who has overachieved every since he's been a Saint.


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