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Perhaps the ominous threat of lawsuits such as the concussion affair play into it, as well. |
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First off, concussions are a different ball of wax. After the Tua situation, both sides are being cautious.
And QB position is a separate category from other players. Mainly because they are the only player at their position on the field. So Watson may want to play but the staff is saying no because his injury is too hampering to his performance. But I don’t believe that non QB, Non concussion injured players are being held back by the team more than the players themselves. In other words there isn’t someone on the Saints telling Thomas he can’t play. It’s Thomas saying he’s not ready. Maybe I’m wrong. |
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This previous off-season is going to be the one that hurts the Saints the most. We had waaay more holes to fill other than WR which we put the house up for. DT RB2 Safety Nickel CB2 T G. We left so much bone on the table with this draft. Eagles received Nakobe Dean Jordan Davis CGJ and what looks to be a top 10 first. And they are 6-0. Patriots have picked up 2 QBs within the last TWO seasons. Saints overvalued this roster last year. The draft process shows. The only x-factor here is potentially getting some picks from Sean playing with another team. Marcus Williams and CGJ should be our starting Safety. I like Marcus Maye personally I think the CB play outside of Marshon has been horrendous with some upside for Allontae. Other than that very poor play. RB2 Dameon Pierce Rachaad White Breece Hall. There were options. A lot of the holes that could have been filled this year was looked over with the expectation of ZERO drop off from the Defense and a Offense getting its top WR and one of the best if not the best rookie WR this year. Eagles robbed us with NO gun.
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I guess the only diff is maybe not having practice together as a unit (offense or D) makes players sloppy. Your point is well taken though. |
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And don't forget that the Saints front office shared with the Saints beat writers that Thomas' turf toe injury was on about a four week recovery window. That will be after this coming week at best. |
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It's getting closer to a Penning return it seems.
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If player X is questionable for team A, then the Decision on if X plays (assuming X is outside of the earlier mentioned QB/concussion subgroup) depends on many variables: player’s health, team record, depth at position, etc. I’d hope we agree on this, right? For example the need for a guy at say 65% to return for a 5-1 team that is getting by at WR is different than a 2-4 team that is playing undrafted guys. Agreed? So, in the Saints case, knowing they have receivers out, and knowing Thomas is paid to be a top WR, and knowing the team needs to win and the playoff window is closing, I do not believe the Saints staff is telling Thomas to sit while Thomas is saying, “No, I can play!”. |
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If the medical staff says the player doesn't play then it matters not what the coaches or the player wish. Everyone should agree that's a given. If the medical staff gives a full go then it falls on the player and the coaches. In this case I can't imagine any player saying they don't want to play. I can see a coach wanting additional practice .. possibly. If the medical staff gives a conditional go, as in the player can play but there is the chance of reaggravating the injury I can see the coaches considering the circumstances. Let's say it was a critical game such as clinching a playoff berth or an actual playoff game I can see the coaches asking the player to play. I seriously doubt any player would say no. If the game was not critical I can see the coaches making the decision to hold out the player regardless of what the player wishes. Then there's the case of the medical staff giving a conditional go, as in the player can play without chance of further aggravation but there will be pain to play through and/or painkilling required. This is the only case I can possibly see the player making the final call. Once again, however, it is very hard for me to believe any player that is motivated enough to want to be great their whole life would refuse to play under these circumstances. I have had the opportunity to know several athletes in several different sports over the years and I can honestly say that I do not believe any of them would refuse to compete if it was at all possible. It is so contrary to their basic mindset. In addition, what the player is getting paid should not be part of any of the decisions, nor do I believe it comes into play beyond the minds of fans. |
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"I have heard it suggested that Michael Thomas is able to play but chooses not to play. What are the possibilities of this being the case?" Here's the first response: Ross Jackson @RossJacksonNOLA Replying to @AsylumGuido That's not the case. 2:14 PM · Oct 19, 2022 ·Twitter Web App Second response: @AsylumGuido · 20m Replying to @RosvoglouReport I have heard it suggested that Michael Thomas is able to play but chooses not to play. What are the possibilities of this being the case? I myself can't see this being the case. Chris Rosvoglou @RosvoglouReport Replying to @AsylumGuido I highly doubt that 2:27 PM · Oct 19, 2022 ·Twitter Web App |
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At current pace , we're slotted for the #5 pick in the next draft which now belongs to another team. If we don't trade the rights to SP for multiple number 1s, what do we have to look forward to in a rich 2023 QB draft?
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I think Michael Thomas wants to play, Dennis Allen wants to lead, and Mickey Loomis wants to have the cap space to improve the team. But I prefer replacing them all with individuals who are more likely to achieve those wants.
The people on hoarders want to have a clean house. But they also want to hoard. We need to stop hoarding injured players and poor leaders and clean house. |
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LOL! Just for ****z and giggles, give me the logical reasoning behind Thomas refusing to play. Of course, ignore the fact that his prognosis given by the team at the time of injury was four weeks for a grade 2 turf toe. This oughta be good. :D :popcorn: |
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What reason would there be for that? |
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Do you honestly believe he would refuse to play if given the clearance? If so, what would be his logical reasoning? That's what I what to hear from you. I cannot for the life of me come up with any reason why any athlete would refuse to play if able. It surely isn't the money because not playing has to be negatively affecting any performance incentives he most likely has in place. Don't forget the possible recovery from the previous injury was complicated by Thomas' insistence upon playing through that injury for Drew. If he had sat things all might have been dramatically different. No doubt the medical staff would be far more conservative this time around. Thomas is arguably the most dangerous weapon on our roster and gives us the best chance of winning moving forward. |
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My statement is quite clear. I’ll repeat.. I do not believe the Saints staff is telling Thomas to sit while Thomas is saying, “No, I can play!”. If you don’t have the mental capacity to understand the statement that’s on you. Feel free to kiss my a$$ now. |
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:bng: And I'll decline the invitation to kiss your a$$. Kind of an odd request. https://media0.giphy.com/media/26gsp...d=200.gif&ct=g |
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You are a dishonest Guido (putting it mildly). Going back to post 43 of this thread in a discussion about what is driving the recent trends regarding the multi facets of injuries and how they are being handled throughout the league I said: “In other words there isn’t someone on the Saints telling Thomas he can’t play. It’s Thomas saying he’s not ready. Maybe I’m wrong.” You respond with a post that starts.. “Totally disagree.” Ok, fair enough. I admitted I could be wrong (mainly because the topic was about an opinion that can’t be proven). So you go on to stake an “argument” that emotionally goes into the specifics of his injury. It was NOT the point I was making, nor was it the topic of discussion. You take two clear statements I make : “ I do not believe the Saints staff is telling Thomas to sit while Thomas is saying, “No, I can play!”.” AND “In other words there isn’t someone on the Saints telling Thomas he can’t play. It’s Thomas saying he’s not ready.” And you twist those statements to accuse me of saying Thomas “refuses” to play (along with a little emoji that is meant to be cute I guess). Then say you contacted some hacks to back up your point. That is clear manipulation and your usual MO. |
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