Saints' Dennis Allen, Coaches Should Be Under the Microscope

rezburna · 10-11-2022, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I was someone who really wanted to see the offense under the control of Pete C, and now I got what I wanted, I realised how little I truly understood at that time.

Pete C isn't a coach, he is a X and O's guy. I underestimated the level of sway that Payton's mere presence had. If these guys played like this for Payton, he would be in their faces immediately.
Pete C does not demand that level of respect, because he isn't a guy that the players fear failing in front of.

To me, it all starts with DA.
His off-season press conference really excited me, but it now seems it was just talk.

The D line, whilst they've started to pick up steam, aren't anywhere near as dominant as they were before DA was head coach.
We had a fantastic special teams unit for years that all of a sudden sucks this year.
Defensive backs, which DA coached for years, are probably the weakest unit on the defense. We let so much talent get away and replaced it with guys who either don't really seem to try (Mathieu), guys that are injured or pending court cases (Maye) or players on a career rebound (Evans).

I really hope something can light a fire under them and start to string some wins together, but DA needs to be under the microscope.
I say 5 wins or less and he should be sent packing.

I think the biggest issue with the defense has been the absence of Marcus Maye combined with Adebo looking rusty coming back off injury and Allen refusing to admit you can’t always run man to man all game. Mathieu has looked really good to me. He’s graded out really well too. He’s pretty small so tackling can become an issue but if Maye was playing we could possibly let Mathieu play a little freer. JT Gray and Justin Evans were getting abused deep…and we all know what happens to PJ Williams.

Boston Saint · 10-11-2022, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I think the biggest issue with the defense has been the absence of Marcus Maye combined with Adebo looking rusty coming back off injury and Allen refusing to admit you can’t always run man to man all game. Mathieu has looked really good to me. He’s graded out really well too. He’s pretty small so tackling can become an issue but if Maye was playing we could possibly let Mathieu play a little freer. JT Gray and Justin Evans were getting abused deep…and we all know what happens to PJ Williams.

Do you think it’s Allen’s choice running man to man or is it the co defensive coordinators making that call?

rezburna · 10-11-2022, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Do you think it’s Allen’s choice running man to man or is it the co defensive coordinators making that call?

It’s probably a mix of both. He seemed more adept at making adjustments when he was the coordinator. Now I will say we don’t have the best zone corners, but we gotta do what we gotta do when you’re going against a guy like Jett.

dizzle88 · 10-11-2022, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I think the biggest issue with the defense has been the absence of Marcus Maye combined with Adebo looking rusty coming back off injury and Allen refusing to admit you can’t always run man to man all game. Mathieu has looked really good to me. He’s graded out really well too. He’s pretty small so tackling can become an issue but if Maye was playing we could possibly let Mathieu play a little freer. JT Gray and Justin Evans were getting abused deep…and we all know what happens to PJ Williams.

Excellent point on the man to man stuff.
In London, Marshon was getting worked by Jefferson, which to be honest isn't a knock on Latt, because Jefferson is playing at an extremely high level.
But it's on DA to notice that and not leave Latt on an island.
Although I'm kind of lost, because the Seahawks still managed to score a TD to Lockett when throwing into quadruple coverage.

I think a lot of attitude in that secondary is missing and without getting into the reasons for trades / non-extended contracts, I think we are badly missing Marcus Williams and CGJ.

AsylumGuido · 10-11-2022, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I think the biggest issue with the defense has been the absence of Marcus Maye combined with Adebo looking rusty coming back off injury and Allen refusing to admit you can’t always run man to man all game. Mathieu has looked really good to me. He’s graded out really well too. He’s pretty small so tackling can become an issue but if Maye was playing we could possibly let Mathieu play a little freer. JT Gray and Justin Evans were getting abused deep…and we all know what happens to PJ Williams.

Thanks, rez, for pointing that out. Mathieu seems to catch the flack for any breakdown in the secondary by some fans. Without knowing exactly what coverage has been called it is near impossible for the casual fan to know where blame lies. Even the guys that do the PFF grading give that as a caveat to their scores. They can only make an educated guess at fault on some plays without knowing the actual designated responsible party on coverage or blocking.

10-11-2022, 04:50 PM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Saints' Dennis Allen, Coaches Should Be Under the Microscope Originally Posted by dizzle88 I was someone who really wanted to see the offense under the control of Pete C, and now I got what I wanted, I realised how little I truly understood at that time. Pete C isn't a coach, he is a X and O's guy. I underestimated the level of sway that Payton's mere presence had. If these guys played like this for Payton, he would be in their faces immediately. Pete C does not demand that level of respect, because he isn't a guy that the players fear failing in front of. To me, it all starts with DA. His off-season press conference really excited me, but it now seems it was just talk. The D line, whilst they've started to pick up steam, aren't anywhere near as dominant as they were before DA was head coach. We had a fantastic special teams unit for years that all of a sudden sucks this year. Defensive backs, which DA coached for years, are probably the weakest unit on the defense. We let so much talent get away and replaced it with guys who either don't really seem to try (Mathieu), guys that are injured or pending court cases (Maye) or players on a career rebound (Evans). I really hope something can light a fire under them and start to string some wins together, but DA needs to be under the microscope. I say 5 wins or less and he should be sent packing. I think the biggest issue with the defense has been the absence of Marcus Maye combined with Adebo looking rusty coming back off injury and Allen refusing to admit you can’t always run man to man all game. Mathieu has looked really good to me. He’s graded out really well too. He’s pretty small so tackling can become an issue but if Maye was playing we could possibly let Mathieu play a little freer. JT Gray and Justin Evans were getting abused deep…and we all know what happens to PJ Williams. AsylumGuido likes this.

10-11-2022, 04:58 PM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints' Dennis Allen, Coaches Should Be Under the Microscope Originally Posted by rezburna I think the biggest issue with the defense has been the absence of Marcus Maye combined with Adebo looking rusty coming back off injury and Allen refusing to admit you can’t always run man to man all game. Mathieu has looked really good to me. He’s graded out really well too. He’s pretty small so tackling can become an issue but if Maye was playing we could possibly let Mathieu play a little freer. JT Gray and Justin Evans were getting abused deep…and we all know what happens to PJ Williams. Do you think it’s Allen’s choice running man to man or is it the co defensive coordinators making that call?

10-11-2022, 05:47 PM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Saints' Dennis Allen, Coaches Should Be Under the Microscope Originally Posted by Boston Saint Do you think it’s Allen’s choice running man to man or is it the co defensive coordinators making that call? It’s probably a mix of both. He seemed more adept at making adjustments when he was the coordinator. Now I will say we don’t have the best zone corners, but we gotta do what we gotta do when you’re going against a guy like Jett. Boston Saint likes this.

10-11-2022, 05:00 PM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: Saints' Dennis Allen, Coaches Should Be Under the Microscope Originally Posted by rezburna I think the biggest issue with the defense has been the absence of Marcus Maye combined with Adebo looking rusty coming back off injury and Allen refusing to admit you can’t always run man to man all game. Mathieu has looked really good to me. He’s graded out really well too. He’s pretty small so tackling can become an issue but if Maye was playing we could possibly let Mathieu play a little freer. JT Gray and Justin Evans were getting abused deep…and we all know what happens to PJ Williams. Excellent point on the man to man stuff. In London, Marshon was getting worked by Jefferson, which to be honest isn't a knock on Latt, because Jefferson is playing at an extremely high level. But it's on DA to notice that and not leave Latt on an island. Although I'm kind of lost, because the Seahawks still managed to score a TD to Lockett when throwing into quadruple coverage. I think a lot of attitude in that secondary is missing and without getting into the reasons for trades / non-extended contracts, I think we are badly missing Marcus Williams and CGJ. Rugby Saint II likes this.
	Your bonehead creator picked a fine chapter to omit from your memory bank....let me ask you, does a machine like yourself ever experience fear? - Vegeta, DBZ

10-11-2022, 05:11 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,707	Re: Saints' Dennis Allen, Coaches Should Be Under the Microscope Originally Posted by rezburna I think the biggest issue with the defense has been the absence of Marcus Maye combined with Adebo looking rusty coming back off injury and Allen refusing to admit you can’t always run man to man all game. Mathieu has looked really good to me. He’s graded out really well too. He’s pretty small so tackling can become an issue but if Maye was playing we could possibly let Mathieu play a little freer. JT Gray and Justin Evans were getting abused deep…and we all know what happens to PJ Williams. Thanks, rez, for pointing that out. Mathieu seems to catch the flack for any breakdown in the secondary by some fans. Without knowing exactly what coverage has been called it is near impossible for the casual fan to know where blame lies. Even the guys that do the PFF grading give that as a caveat to their scores. They can only make an educated guess at fault on some plays without knowing the actual designated responsible party on coverage or blocking. rezburna likes this.