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Philadelphia at it again. They’re trying to STEAL Alvin Kamara before trade deadline.

https://insidetheiggles.com/2022/10/...an-saints/amp/

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If he missed a text from the coaching staff they'd just take that as him being "uncoachable" and trade him for a bag of twizzlers.

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If they trade Alvin Kamara, this will highlight the importance of coach Sean Payton. At least for now I won’t feel anymore disappointment and sleepless nights because I wouldn’t be expecting a win, playoff birth, nfc championship or superbowl. I said before DA is not a coach, add Loomis to not being a GM but a great bean counter with great scouts that will be eventually be poached

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Yeah idk about this one. I guess it’s possible. But I’m assuming AK should fetch at least a 1st and 2nd rounder and maybe some additional picks. I guess if the saints decide to blow it all up this is one way to do it.

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The rumor was started by the guy that owns the Philadelphia sports web site Jakib Sports, Ric Serritella. That's the soul source. He claims a little birdie told him. :rolleyes: He's probably maxing out on his site clicks now. Smart move.

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Kamara is amused.

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Not so sure about that price tag. What did McCaffery fetch again? :confused:

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We would get our #1 back and the way things are going we'll be in the top 10

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IIRC we realistically can't/won't deal Kamara. Even if we trade him it still means loads of dead cap on our books in next few years.

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Well that’s true. But hasn’t McCaffrey been injury prone?

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I’m kinda okay with this. Only because he is 27. Will be 28 next July.

Not okay if it doesn’t land us in a QB pick situation.

What I think is best is you finish out the season with what we have and cut a bunch of bait. Players and Coaches.

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I would like for us to be in search for a coach with an offense background, preferably one that played qb, won a superbowl. Well jaguars got him, oh yeah theirs one more “SEAN PAYTON”

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Compared to the cap hit the Falcons took for trading Matt Ryan, our cap hit for trading Kamara would be small. We might have to restructure another deal to make it work with this years cap but overall it would free up more cap in the future than it costs now. If we could get back our own first rounder it would be great. I am not sure the Eagles would do that. Even if we could get the Eagles 1st rounder, our 2024 2nd rounder back, and some mid round picks we should consider it. But I am not sure why the Eagles have the biggest need for a running back, Miles Sanders has been decent. Maybe we could get him in the swap with picks. The Rams might make more sense. Or the Bills. I think it makes sense for us to trade Kamara because we are not championship contenders even if we might win our division at 7-10 somehow, Kamara will likely face some supension next year when we wont contend either, and long term we need to free up cap, get younger, and have more draft picks to get a qb and contend.

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This a reply in another thread I felt repeating



I truly believe that eagles GM is toying with Loomis. Why not offer a trade for Swift instead, younger and just as talented. Why toy with Loomis you might ask, make that 1st rd pick we traded away more valuable cuz the likely of us winning w/o Kamara is almost zero. If he able to swindle a deal, he most likely offering a conditional 3rd with incentives that are most likely to stay a 3rd. Remember, they have a healthy Sanders. That eagles GM is a masterful robber. Without a mindful coach that know how steer this ship around, loomis will be more incline to eat the cheese and sink our team. A coach will discuss the variables (pros & cons). Dennis Allen on the other hand will be a yes man and let you shoot yourself in the foot.

Unless you able to get our 1st rd pick back this is a NO TRADE. No 2nd rd pick or eagles 1st rd pick swap with our 2nd rd pick trading Kamara. DON’T EAT THE CHEESE.

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If we didn't get 2 first round picks, it would be a poor negotiation from the Saints.

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If we get a 2nd rd pick, we’re sending a message that we’re rebuilding. A second round pick from eagles might as well be a 3rd rd pick. The eagle will make the nfc conference championship.

I doubt seriously eagles forfeit a 2nd rd pick for Kamara, especially since they have Miles Sanders. If anything this a ploy to cause the 1st rd pick we forfeit become more valuable at the cost of trading a 3rd. Chances they will get 3rd back by trading Sanders. The 1st from us will likely become at the least a top 10 pick.

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Oh god. Please no. :couch:

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Bako, with respect, Look at Kamara’s upcoming numbers for 2025. Any team that trades for him will owe him 22+ mill that year and his cap hit is 27 million. Who is going to trade for him? That’s apart from him still having 19 mill dead cap next year and 9 the year after that.

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2025 sure. This is 2022. So a current superbowl contender trading for Kamara would hope to win with him 2022, 2023, or 2024. If the Bills traded for him and won those 3 superbowls, I think they could live with having to cut him in 2025 if they were unable to renegotiate and still being 3-4 overall in super bowl appearances.

Here is my understanding of what would happen if we traded Kamara though I am not a cap expert. His deferred bonuses totalling $14 million would come due to us so $7 million cap hit this year and $7 million next year. I think the other team would pay part of his 2022 regular salary but that salary was reduced to peanuts in a restructure so net we lose 6.5 million cap this year. Next year we take the other 7 million hit but dont have to pay his other $11 million salary and roster bonus so we gain 4 million cap. In 2024-2026 void year we gain save another $45 million cap in various salary and deferred bonuses. If you assume we would have cut him at the end of 2024 to avoid the $25 million salary cap hit in 2025 from salary and roster bonus we still save $20 million in those years by cutting earlier and also take the cap hits we cant avoid earlier instead of pushing the problems into the future.

For a team that trades for Kamara we eat the signing and deferred restructuring bonuses so they get him cheap for 2022-2024, at costs of $0.5 million, $11 million, and $12 million with nothing guaranteed. In 2025 that becomes $25 million (we eat the deferred bonus in the trade so not $27 million). But 3 years of a cheap all pro running back definitely has some trade value. His contract is not terrible but we need to rebuild and cut cap and get picks and i dont think we are legit contenders for a ring in 2022 or 2023 with the mess Loomis has put us in.

Now if there is a clause that fully guarantees his 2025 salary if traded, that would kill any value. But I dont know of any such clause and guaranteeing an entire contract down to the final year due to trade would be unusual.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orle...-kamara-21809/

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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/a...ts-per-report/
Loomis and company used their head on this one... :bng:

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Let’s put this to rest, Kamara will remain a saint especially when theirs a chance to make 🤫🤐

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Put the prima donna in as lagniappe... might get a couple more good picks:dunce:

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Kamara isn’t going anywhere! I think it will be Thomas!

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Looking at contracts, it’s hard to see either of them leaving. They are either too big a hit in dead money against a cap we are already over and/or due too much future money (Kamara is due over 25 million in 2025!).

I’ve been browsing spotrac a bit and I’ll throw in another name….Winston.

Check out his contract numbers:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orle...winston-16725/

He has money (8.4 mill) due against dead cap in 2024 when he isn’t even under contract! Next year he is due a 15 mill cap hit (small for a QB) but has 11 million in dead money. That means if he is not on the roster (via trade or being cut the saints have to take that 11 mill hit plus whatever it takes to sign his replacement.

In other words get used to Winston because he’s on the team next year even if it’s as a backup.

I understand this is where some are critical of Loomis for the contracts he has given. I think the criticism is overblown however as I believe health, refs, and coaching/practicing have been the issues, not the talent.

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How so?

20M cap hit in 2022 & 30M in 2023.

Even if he was healthy, highly unlikely Mike would be traded.

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RG3 on ESPN was trying to sell a Kamara trade to the Rams tonight. I guess these people need to come up with something to talk about.

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To the national media, the Saints with Brees and Payton are a farm team. You could see it with the minimal coverage of the Raiders shutout. There was no talk of the dominating defense, or the efficient offense, or Kamara's spectacular game. Only that the Raiders didn't cross the 50 yard line until the last 2 minutes of the game and how Josh McDaniels is wasting all their offensive talent that was so productive as a playoff team last year.

Unfortunately we'll see it again Monday night too. All the coverage will be on the Ravens and Lamar Jackson, and his non contract, and their trade for Roquan Smith. If they talk about the Saints at all, it'll only be about the injuries.

SFIAH

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To be clear, you so want MT13 gone that you're willing to take a $20+ million cap hit to get it done, right? If so, then who else are you dismissing from the team to get the cap space to make this happen?

SFIAH