Saints set to have first losing season since 2016; so, what went wrong?
 

NEW ORLEANS, La. -- The New Orleans Saints have guaranteed their first losing season since 2016.

The Saints went 7-9 that year, the final of three straight losing seasons under then-coach Sean Payton. They rebounded to make the playoffs four straight years before falling just short in Week 18 last season.

While the Saints (4-9) have not been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, the best they can hope for this season is an 8-9 record.

Here’s where coach Dennis Allen’s first season went wrong:

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Health.

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Fixed it for you :)

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Bingo!

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Didn't the 2021 Saints team go through 4 different QBs & had 24 HR fitness managers playing on the O line, yet somehow finished 2nd in the division and 9 wins?

Get better depth because all teams have health/injury concerns every single season.

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But in fairness Major 5 of those wins were with a healthy Winston starting. Without him stating Payton had the Saints at 4-6. He was struggling too. He lost 40-29 and 30-6 in back to back games last year. Just pointing it out.

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Injuries and roster holes. The Saints did the best they could addressing the WR position, but there just wasn't enough resources to properly address the running game. With the QB's on the roster, it was very vital to have a great running game, and unfortunately that didn't pan out. Ingram showed his age and Kamara seemed to seriously wear down. Hopefully the running game can be fixed for 2023 and maybe a better fit at QB can be found.

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Some teams have more severe health/injury concerns, however. Just look at the defending Super Bowl Champions. Did McVay and his coaching staff suddenly forget how to coach? They are sitting with the identical won/loss record as the Saints.

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If those things aren’t addressed ain’t no coach gonna make a difference. Allen shored up the WR and OL holes Payton left him. He might have been Ok if Winston hadn’t broken his back. But without a QB, he really needed his RBs to show up. Instead they fumbled.

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They lost their #1 WR and QB though Guido, so it’s different…oh wait.

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Poor Coaching
Poor assistant coaching
Prima Donna's payforNOplay
Thugs allowed to run amuck in backfield
Pathetic feet on several players....lot of foot injuries, real and phantom
Prima Donna players on the roster
oh....did I say pathetic coaching.... previewed the year SP was not allowed to walk the sideline, for kickass bounty gate superbowl win.

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You talking about the Rams, Falcons, or Broncos?

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That's different because, ... um, well ... um, it just is. So there.

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Nah...

I only comment on Saints pretend football team..... and then, thats saying a hell of lot!..... Saints pretend football team :rofl:


jeeez... to think i gave you any credence of credit, but i see you and guido on the same level and share your ignorance;arogance...sad:dunce:

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Saints lost both in 2021 ......oh wait

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Excuses excuses excuses. Your job is to build a winnable coaching team. Roster depth is apart of that. Next man up mentality can't happen if people don't believe the next man....Injuries are apart of the game. Losing players is a part of the game Proper preparation prevents poor performance. Steelers have always been good with having "starters in waiting" Chiefs lost players, Ravens lost players, Titans even started Malik once or twice, San Fran has played 3 different QBs. Everyone situation varies but everyone is impacted by Injuries nonetheless some teams Buccaneers had little to fall off in FA look at them. Excuses Excuses Excuses. Coaching is what failed this team. Decision making is what failed this team. Poor off-season acquisitions failed this team. The standard of Daints football dropped off alot. Players aren't sold and it shows. Is coaching the only issue? Absolutely not. It's definitely the biggest flag imo. If Andy was playing B+ or better football and the Defense was absolutely failing him wouldn't have no issues with him starting. Don't care about no PR or any of that you need QB that's going play mistake with in an offensive system or go out there and win you games. He does neither. Andy gets all the excuses in the world you guys were on Jameis so hard no slack when he was 5-2 , but support Andy from Toy story with his pitiful record. Tom Brady 4qtr comeback against just shows if there is an opportunity who's going to take it? Andy isn't that guy....Justin Fields beat him out of job who I don't believe is better but he's a PLAYMAKER has game changing tendencies. Andy is just there

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Now that hurts.

Seriously though map, in what what am I arrogant? I am the one guy admitting I could be wrong.

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And finished with 4 wins once he went down. I’ve not said a single thing that’s not fact.

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Reasons, reasons, reasons.

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Feel relieved you are not on the :dunce: level, Boston. :dunce: seems to be unstable. But, I might be insulted for being compared to me in other ways if I was you. None that I can think of specifically, but in :dunce: mind it must be an insult.

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Those Eagles are going to get a good draft pick out of us. I would fire Allen now , finish out the season looking at a HC that is competent for next season to target.

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So what's DA's excuse you're proving my point...keep going

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You believe if this team were fully healthy they would be what? Team was pretty healthy first 3 games of the season, oh wait those were Jameis fault. Ok let's go week 4 and beyond. Show me the game where injuries were the SOLE cause...I'll wait for the answer or the deflection. I'll propose another question show me game we lost where coaching wasn't a factor in it. Playcalling was on Point players just couldn't make plays and some of you guys favorite #TheRefs

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I’m proving your point that both coaches struggled without Winston starting.

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When you go $80 million over the cap or whatever going into every season you often can’t afford to reward great play with a respectable offer or take the short term cap hit to cut underperformers. Every move is dictated by cap considerations and players start to feel like just numbers whose achievements dont matter. So the Andrus Peat’s and Michael Thomas’ who fail to perform get restructed with extensions and more guarantees and guys like CGJ, Williams, and Armstead who do perform get shown the door because there is no cap flexibilty to do the right thing. That is why you can’t live on borrowed money, you kind of end up with a socialist system that does not reward success or punish failure. So Mickey Loomis’ cap management system imploding destroyed team morale when players saw the slackers getting rewarded. The loss of CGJ and the continued high salary of Andrus Peat are cancers to this team. CGJ wanted Peat money for 1000x better than Peat play and the coaches would not even talk to him about it so he got thrown away for scraps and every other player saw that and aspired to be like Peat, which is our 2023 team.

Dennis Allen is either a mediocre or poor coach depending on your judgement of circumstances but either way he is a downgrade from Payton.

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"Coaching is what failed this team. Decision making is what failed this team. Poor off-season acquisitions failed this team."

Reasons, reasons, reasons.

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I believe we'd be several games up in first place in our division. Michael Thomas alone would have made the difference in half of our games that were lost because we couldn't convert on 3rd down. I know we've had a dozen drops in those critical situations. Thomas is automatic on those plays.

The remaining players have failed to execute over and over again on plays that would have resulted in 1st downs and touchdowns. We lost games with Olave and Landry both out, as well. We've been without 3/5th's of our starting offensive line for much of the season. We've been missing our best CB virtually the entire season leading to young or over the hill replacements blowing coverage or committing stupid penalties.

Etcetera, etcetera, ...

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They aren't going over the cap. They are storing it in easily convertible contract structures. It's there and just as tangible as any other team's caps.

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Seriously? :roflmao:

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I know what went wrong. Sean Payton left and the New Orleans Saints then put Dennis Allen in charge.

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i could be wrong about you.... but that guido dude. definitely not. hell even a deaf, dumb, and blind idiot can see that about that guido dude.

:rofl:

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The way its stored is such that whenever a star underperforms, we can never cut them, because the cap hit is always $20 million or more, and then in a couple years when its supposed to be the affordable year to finally part ways, the cap hit is still $20 million or more because the contract has been restructured twice in two years.

I get that the money is tangible. If it wasn’t tangible, Andrus Peat could not buy $15 million a year of twinkies and little debbie with it. I get thats its stores in easily convertible structures, much of it in lipids in Peats stomach. I get that its easily convertible, we can convert Michael Thomas to any position and he will be just as effective at long snapper or defensive tackle because he won’t see the fiekd there either. But the one conversion we cant do is converting cutting expensive players like Thomas into cap savings in the near term, because we are carrying bentley loans on pinto players with this wonderful system dreamed up by an ego mad accountant with no football iq.

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I think a multitude of issues hurt us this year.
1. Injuries being #1
2. QB suckage....whether due to injuries or poor performances (inconsistencies) whathaveyou.
3. Lack of running game
4. Continued suckage/consistency at TE
5. D line inconsistencies
6. See #1 as affecting 1-5

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Exactly.

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Good question. Do ask Pete, Alvin. We'd all like to know.