Michael Thomas agrees to restructured contract

AsylumGuido · 05-22-2023, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Help me out. Maybe I'm missing something in this long drawn out melodrama. Did his following injury have anything to do with his first one?

And refresh my memory (because I seriously don't remember) but who else was misdiagnosed and rushed back to the field before being properly rehabbed?

No. The two injuries were totally unrelated. He initially suffered a high ankle sprain and with prompting by the team played through the injury instead of undergoing treatment. He finally had to shut it down. After having off-season surgery to repair the damage he suffered a setback (guessing an infection) that required another surgery. During that offseason he rehabbed and was fully ready for play. That's when he suffered the toe injury that the team initially misdiagnosed (as mentioned by Rugs). It was a full dislocation that should have been addressed by surgery right away, but they had him wait and tried to rehab without surgery. He finally had the surgery and is now on track to return "good to go" for training camp according to both Loomis and Dennis Allen.

Delvin Breaux was another player who was misdiagnosed by the Saints medical staff and tried to file a malpractice claim. Unfortunately for him, misdiagnosis doesn't necessarily relate to malpractice unless it results in some sort of material damage.

WW_Who_Dat · 05-22-2023, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Help me out. Maybe I'm missing something in this long drawn out melodrama. Did his following injury have anything to do with his first one?

And refresh my memory (because I seriously don't remember) but who else was misdiagnosed and rushed back to the field before being properly rehabbed?

No it did not it and the second injury was to his other foot leilung. Hate that he got hurt, first injury cost him a season, came back play like MT, got hurt again different injury and some people claiming his just getting paid and intentionally not putting the effort to be back on the field.

With the intensity that MT has shown since he was draft in effort to improve, compete and dominate secondaries I’m just not sure how you dismiss that and say MT just cruising by and getting the check. Of course he’s getting the check he/saints have a contract and a contract is just that, a contract.
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None of us here on B&G know anything except MT was injured and that just about it, the truth is we don’t know what we don’t know.

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Rugby Saint II · 05-22-2023, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

Help me out. Maybe I'm missing something in this long drawn out melodrama. Did his following injury have anything to do with his first one?

And refresh my memory (because I seriously don't remember) but who else was misdiagnosed and rushed back to the field before being properly rehabbed?

Like Guido pointed out earlier they were unrelated injuries that got him last year. He came back playing hard and didn't reinjure himself. Instead, he hurt himself with a new injury. And that is somewhat disconcerting because he's older now and it's quite possible that he develops another nagging injury when he returns from rehab. He was rushed back too quickly after his initial diagnoses years ago and his likely HOF career was derailed by injury. Which, is why he didn't want to talk to the medical staff last year.

Delvin Breaux was the player I was referring to that had been misdiagnosed and sued the team. He had a promising career and I feel like the Saints medical staff cost him his NFL career. Why do players go on IR after four weeks of rehabbing an injury? There were several bad calls last year alone on whether to place a player on IR or rehab him. There have been countless numbers of times that the medical staff has underperformed throughout recent history. Most recently, I think about Winston's back and the troubles with diagnosing whether he was healthy enough or not to play.

I used to sell medical equipment to Ochsner. They are absolutely filthy! It's no wonder Mercer runs rampant through their facility. Saints players miss way too much time each year due to injury. I'm sure it's the medical staffs fault somehow. Honestly, I don't think MT has faith in the medical staff either.

AsylumGuido · 05-22-2023, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Like Guido pointed out earlier they were unrelated injuries that got him last year. He came back playing hard and didn't reinjure himself. Instead, he hurt himself with a new injury. And that is somewhat disconcerting because he's older now and it's quite possible that he develops another nagging injury when he returns from rehab. He was rushed back too quickly after his initial diagnoses years ago and his likely HOF career was derailed by injury. Which, is why he didn't want to talk to the medical staff last year.

Delvin Breaux was the player I was referring to that had been misdiagnosed and sued the team. He had a promising career and I feel like the Saints medical staff cost him his NFL career. Why do players go on IR after four weeks of rehabbing an injury? There were several bad calls last year alone on whether to place a player on IR or rehab him. There have been countless numbers of times that the medical staff has underperformed throughout recent history. Most recently, I think about Winston's back and the troubles with diagnosing whether he was healthy enough or not to play.

I used to sell medical equipment to Ochsner. They are absolutely filthy! It's no wonder Mercer runs rampant through their facility. Saints players miss way too much time each year due to injury. I'm sure it's the medical staffs fault somehow. Honestly, I don't think MT has faith in the medical staff either.

To be fair, part of the hesitancy of placing a player on IR now is because of the newer rules allowing recall to the active roster. There's a limit to how many can be recalled. With as many injuries as the Saints had to deal with last year they had to juggle who they did and didn't place on the list. If there was a chance of them returning in fewer than the mandatory period it would behoove them to save that spot for another player. The problem with that is that it isn't foolproof. In some cases recover earlier than estimated and in others it is longer.

WW_Who_Dat · 05-23-2023, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

To be fair, part of the hesitancy of placing a player on IR now is because of the newer rules allowing recall to the active roster. There's a limit to how many can be recalled. With as many injuries as the Saints had to deal with last year they had to juggle who they did and didn't place on the list. If there was a chance of them returning in fewer than the mandatory period it would behoove them to save that spot for another player. The problem with that is that it isn't foolproof. In some cases recover earlier than estimated and in others it is longer.

Ochsner’s was once a very well regarded Medical Group … expansion and large corporate practices have reduced the delivery to a bottom line driven process. I think this corporate philosophy has cause a talent drain due to conflict between front line health care professional and the management.

Similar results are seen over a wide range of organizations that go through similar transformations.

mapcow · 05-22-2023, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Michael Thomas missed 40 out of the last 50 games. He restructured his contract to stay in New Orleans on a prove it contract. He's betting on himself coming back strong and earning his incentives.

Our medical staff sent him back on the field too early and he reinjured himself. I don't blame him for not returning calls from the medical staff. He should be far enough removed from his injury that all the trainers have to do is build up his strength and rehab him. I don't trust the medical staff either. I've watched them misdiagnose injuries and rush players back, so I don't trust them.

Foster Moreau may have a different opinion though.

shawnkytonk · 05-22-2023, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Michael Thomas missed 40 out of the last 50 games. He restructured his contract to stay in New Orleans on a prove it contract. He's betting on himself coming back strong and earning his incentives.

Our medical staff sent him back on the field too early and he reinjured himself. I don't blame him for not returning calls from the medical staff. He should be far enough removed from his injury that all the trainers have to do is build up his strength and rehab him. I don't trust the medical staff either. I've watched them misdiagnose injuries and rush players back, so I don't trust them.

Foster Moreau may have a different opinion though.

Spoken like a logical, informed person.

mapcow · 05-22-2023, 11:39 AM

Michael Thomas - Prima Donna... Ultimate NO PLAY for PAY!!!!

mapcow · 05-22-2023, 03:31 PM

Michael Thomas... Gold Bricker

Boston Saint · 05-22-2023, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by mapcow

Michael Thomas... Gold Bricker

How’s the cow doing map ?

05-22-2023, 10:52 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Michael Thomas agrees to restructured contract Originally Posted by leilung Help me out. Maybe I'm missing something in this long drawn out melodrama. Did his following injury have anything to do with his first one? And refresh my memory (because I seriously don't remember) but who else was misdiagnosed and rushed back to the field before being properly rehabbed? No. The two injuries were totally unrelated. He initially suffered a high ankle sprain and with prompting by the team played through the injury instead of undergoing treatment. He finally had to shut it down. After having off-season surgery to repair the damage he suffered a setback (guessing an infection) that required another surgery. During that offseason he rehabbed and was fully ready for play. That's when he suffered the toe injury that the team initially misdiagnosed (as mentioned by Rugs). It was a full dislocation that should have been addressed by surgery right away, but they had him wait and tried to rehab without surgery. He finally had the surgery and is now on track to return "good to go" for training camp according to both Loomis and Dennis Allen. Delvin Breaux was another player who was misdiagnosed by the Saints medical staff and tried to file a malpractice claim. Unfortunately for him, misdiagnosis doesn't necessarily relate to malpractice unless it results in some sort of material damage. leilung and Rugby Saint II like this.
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05-22-2023, 11:11 AM	#2
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,279 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Michael Thomas agrees to restructured contract Originally Posted by leilung Help me out. Maybe I'm missing something in this long drawn out melodrama. Did his following injury have anything to do with his first one? And refresh my memory (because I seriously don't remember) but who else was misdiagnosed and rushed back to the field before being properly rehabbed? No it did not it and the second injury was to his other foot leilung. Hate that he got hurt, first injury cost him a season, came back play like MT, got hurt again different injury and some people claiming his just getting paid and intentionally not putting the effort to be back on the field. With the intensity that MT has shown since he was draft in effort to improve, compete and dominate secondaries I’m just not sure how you dismiss that and say MT just cruising by and getting the check. Of course he’s getting the check he/saints have a contract and a contract is just that, a contract. O None of us here on B&G know anything except MT was injured and that just about it, the truth is we don’t know what we don’t know. Jus saying leilung, AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

05-22-2023, 01:29 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Michael Thomas agrees to restructured contract Originally Posted by leilung Help me out. Maybe I'm missing something in this long drawn out melodrama. Did his following injury have anything to do with his first one? And refresh my memory (because I seriously don't remember) but who else was misdiagnosed and rushed back to the field before being properly rehabbed? Like Guido pointed out earlier they were unrelated injuries that got him last year. He came back playing hard and didn't reinjure himself. Instead, he hurt himself with a new injury. And that is somewhat disconcerting because he's older now and it's quite possible that he develops another nagging injury when he returns from rehab. He was rushed back too quickly after his initial diagnoses years ago and his likely HOF career was derailed by injury. Which, is why he didn't want to talk to the medical staff last year. Delvin Breaux was the player I was referring to that had been misdiagnosed and sued the team. He had a promising career and I feel like the Saints medical staff cost him his NFL career. Why do players go on IR after four weeks of rehabbing an injury? There were several bad calls last year alone on whether to place a player on IR or rehab him. There have been countless numbers of times that the medical staff has underperformed throughout recent history. Most recently, I think about Winston's back and the troubles with diagnosing whether he was healthy enough or not to play. I used to sell medical equipment to Ochsner. They are absolutely filthy! It's no wonder Mercer runs rampant through their facility. Saints players miss way too much time each year due to injury. I'm sure it's the medical staffs fault somehow. Honestly, I don't think MT has faith in the medical staff either. leilung likes this.
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05-22-2023, 01:40 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Michael Thomas agrees to restructured contract Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Like Guido pointed out earlier they were unrelated injuries that got him last year. He came back playing hard and didn't reinjure himself. Instead, he hurt himself with a new injury. And that is somewhat disconcerting because he's older now and it's quite possible that he develops another nagging injury when he returns from rehab. He was rushed back too quickly after his initial diagnoses years ago and his likely HOF career was derailed by injury. Which, is why he didn't want to talk to the medical staff last year. Delvin Breaux was the player I was referring to that had been misdiagnosed and sued the team. He had a promising career and I feel like the Saints medical staff cost him his NFL career. Why do players go on IR after four weeks of rehabbing an injury? There were several bad calls last year alone on whether to place a player on IR or rehab him. There have been countless numbers of times that the medical staff has underperformed throughout recent history. Most recently, I think about Winston's back and the troubles with diagnosing whether he was healthy enough or not to play. I used to sell medical equipment to Ochsner. They are absolutely filthy! It's no wonder Mercer runs rampant through their facility. Saints players miss way too much time each year due to injury. I'm sure it's the medical staffs fault somehow. Honestly, I don't think MT has faith in the medical staff either. To be fair, part of the hesitancy of placing a player on IR now is because of the newer rules allowing recall to the active roster. There's a limit to how many can be recalled. With as many injuries as the Saints had to deal with last year they had to juggle who they did and didn't place on the list. If there was a chance of them returning in fewer than the mandatory period it would behoove them to save that spot for another player. The problem with that is that it isn't foolproof. In some cases recover earlier than estimated and in others it is longer.
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05-23-2023, 09:20 AM	#5
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,279 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Michael Thomas agrees to restructured contract Originally Posted by AsylumGuido To be fair, part of the hesitancy of placing a player on IR now is because of the newer rules allowing recall to the active roster. There's a limit to how many can be recalled. With as many injuries as the Saints had to deal with last year they had to juggle who they did and didn't place on the list. If there was a chance of them returning in fewer than the mandatory period it would behoove them to save that spot for another player. The problem with that is that it isn't foolproof. In some cases recover earlier than estimated and in others it is longer. Ochsner’s was once a very well regarded Medical Group … expansion and large corporate practices have reduced the delivery to a bottom line driven process. I think this corporate philosophy has cause a talent drain due to conflict between front line health care professional and the management. Similar results are seen over a wide range of organizations that go through similar transformations. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

05-22-2023, 11:36 AM	#6
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: Michael Thomas agrees to restructured contract Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Michael Thomas missed 40 out of the last 50 games. He restructured his contract to stay in New Orleans on a prove it contract. He's betting on himself coming back strong and earning his incentives. Our medical staff sent him back on the field too early and he reinjured himself. I don't blame him for not returning calls from the medical staff. He should be far enough removed from his injury that all the trainers have to do is build up his strength and rehab him. I don't trust the medical staff either. I've watched them misdiagnose injuries and rush players back, so I don't trust them. Foster Moreau may have a different opinion though.
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05-22-2023, 12:35 PM	#7
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: Michael Thomas agrees to restructured contract Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Michael Thomas missed 40 out of the last 50 games. He restructured his contract to stay in New Orleans on a prove it contract. He's betting on himself coming back strong and earning his incentives. Our medical staff sent him back on the field too early and he reinjured himself. I don't blame him for not returning calls from the medical staff. He should be far enough removed from his injury that all the trainers have to do is build up his strength and rehab him. I don't trust the medical staff either. I've watched them misdiagnose injuries and rush players back, so I don't trust them. Foster Moreau may have a different opinion though. Spoken like a logical, informed person. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

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05-22-2023, 03:31 PM	#9
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05-22-2023, 03:36 PM	#10
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