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I have no clue how they lost this game. This game, along with a few others we outplayed the opponent but came up short. Is it heart? Is it good players underachieving? is it poor coaching? I think it’s a mixture of all the above. Only players I would consider untouchable in the off-season is olive, AK, Davis, and RS. Only ones who showed heart this year imo.

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Zero offensive adjustments all season long.

How DA let Pete C stay in charge of the offense, after that terrible mid season stretch of losses is beyond me and both should be shown the door in my opinion.

Running game none existent for too long, Mark Ingram being given touches and getting 1 or 2 yards encapsulated the offense.

It felt like every skill position player fumbled at least once this season.

Several players not providing enough. Payton Turner, I think he's been a healthy scratch more often that he's played. Guy appears to be useless.
Davenport isn't much better, physical freak yes, invisible on game days, also yes.

Losing Lattimore for most of the season didn't help, Adebo was way in over his head.

Demario, made the pro bowl during arguably his worst season. I'm still sick from that Bucs loss where he just sat in the end zone and allowed the RB to win the game with like 4 seconds left.

I said it early in the season, this team needs cap space and draft picks. No more kicking the can down the road in hopes we may be marginally successful.
We need a reboot.

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Went to the game today and early in the second quarter I believe, Taysom was so wide open at the goal line there was literally no one within 20 yards of him and Dalton tried to force a small pass to Kamara who I don’t even think was looking and ended up being an incomplete pass. Should’ve been a TD easily. I know it’s only one play but Dalton throughout the whole game was not impressive at all. He is not starter material. Our offense is stagnant af. We really need a new OC and a legit qb.
I think if we stay put with Allen then we should make the moves necessary to keep this defense rolling and keep working on this offense however we can, but definitely start with OC.
We would’ve won this division if Payton was still coach

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Listened to the end of the game on the radio. Deuce was convinced Dalton was hurt after a QB sneak.

And this team is broken. Not sure how to fix it, but.. it's not my job anyway.

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This was blown lead #3 for the Saints.

Bengaloos, Bucs and now Carolina. The inability to play aggressive and put teams away is one of many reasons why you end up 7-10 & miss on post season.

Coaching and execution is lacking.

Side note - Lutz is no longer Mr Automatic.

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Really. Really Really Bad.

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Post Mortem Season Thoughts/Observations Overall:

- Bad Tackling
- Sad 3rd down Conversions
- Non-existent Red Zone Scoring Capability
- Sorry Use of Best Weapons (Olave, Hill, Johnson, Kamara, & Shaheed)
- Consistency at Kicker
- Inability to Stop Deep Passes in the Last 2 Minutes of a Game
- Injuries Being the Norm and not the Exception
- Vanilla Playcalling on Both Sides of the Ball
- Turning the Ball Over to Kill Drives

+ Consistently Making Bad and Mediocre Teams Look Great
+ Driving Too Many Fans to Weekly Liver Abuse
+ Keeping Dead Weight and Getting Rid of Talented Players

To echo what someone previously stated, I don't have an answer to fix this. But then again, they don't care what I think so what difference does it make?

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No that was bad.

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Have a terrible HC
A OC that had to be talked into taking the job

A scouting team that appears to love tape measurements over actual tape when it comes to DE especially. I mean you had Hendrickson and Al-Quadin-Muhammad in house and went out and spent a second first rounder to move up for Davenport, that before you look at the bust that is Payton Turner. And can't for the life of them get good value in trades, talk about getting cent on the dollar

Trade the Eagles
2022 1st/18th Pick
2022 3rd/101
2023 1st/11th Pick
2023 7th/237
2024 Second Rounder(very likely top 45)
2025 7th round
Chauncey Gardner-Johnson

Saints got
2022 1st/16th
2022 1st/18th
2023 5th
2024 Worst of their 6th rounders

To top that off, they then had to trade another 3rd/4th rounder to move up again to actually get the WR they wanted


Players who obviously are not focused. I mean Ingram running out of bounds probably cost them the division. Not that any team in the NFC South deserved a playoff place

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Yesterday was the entire season wrapped into one game. Fitting end.

On to the off-season and whether or not tough decisions are in fact made to better this franchise.

I can't wait!

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This team isn't that bad. We've had injuries. We have no QB. I'm not sure what people expected. You stick in a good QB at the head of our team and we're in the playoffs easily.

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Elements of the "team" i.e. "coaches" do need to change however. Payton leaving revealed many shortcomings.

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So stick Darnold in at the head of our team, and we're in the playoffs?

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I find it interesting you didn't mention coaches in your assessment.

What "good" QB would want to come and play in this terrible system? Even if you get a solid QB in the draft, they won't progress under this regime.

S Darnold beat us with a 2.9 QBR rating yesterday :rolleyes:

It starts at the top.

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43 yards passing for Darnold. And half those yards came on his last pass.

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That's bad. But good enough to beat us. Now THAT is bad.

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I think a lot of it boils down to the inordinate amount of injuries that we suffer year in and year out. That alone can make or break a season. It did it last year and it's done it again this year. Not to mention that we have a plethora of coaches who were in over their head.

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Rugs,

At some point, you have to look elsewhere with the injury bug excuse on why the Saints are failing on Sundays. Find better depth. The good teams have no issues inserting guys when a starter goes down.

The Ravens and Dolphins got to the postseason with backups at QB.

Have you seen Brock Purdy play yet ? The Niners lost Jimmy G in early December and haven't missed a beat offensively.

Coaching is the biggest question mark in New Orleans right now.

2023 could be rough.

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100% THIS ^^^

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I totally agree that we cannot blame the season on injuries but could possibly blame it on the coaching. We absolutely need better depth. That may be a consequence of trading picks to move up for a valued player. We have to have some major coaching changes this offseason. Shake things up. We've done well bringing in good college coaches so let's look there again.

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True that the Niners lost Jimmy G, but for the most part the rest of their offense was pretty well intact AND they added Christian McCaffrey just as they started their run. The Niners are good but they didn't face anywhere near the deep run on injuries that the Saints faced. Just look at the defending Super Bowl Champion, Rams, who finished far worse than the Saints. Injuries destroyed their season, as well.

I understand not placing all of the blame on injuries, but it is just as shortsighted to ignore injuries as a major factor in the team's struggles.

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The The Bengals likely lost a third starting offensive lineman in the space of a month when left tackle Jonah Williams departed in the second quarter with a left knee injury.

The Ravens sacked Joe Burrow four times on Sunday, the most since he was sacked five times by the Browns on Halloween in the most recent game Cincinnati lost before its current nine-game win streak. That's right! The Bengals haven't lost a game since October 31st! despite having their Offensive Line decimated by INJURIES!

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Boom.

Lol, some like to use injuries (2+ seasons) for taking L’s on Sundays.

Good teams find ways to overcome adversity.

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At some point if the same players keep getting injured it isn't unlucky. Just poor roster management

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Good teams find a way to win. No truer statement on this thread!

I'm looking at this season like we were served up some bad Gumbo... easy to blame one bad ingredient (roux, veggies, meats, spices, etc.) when there are a few that the cook could have used better to tweak it to make it better... or even good! Sometimes, you're better off throwing out the pot and starting over (which costs you time and more than a little money). But sometimes, you can use what's in your kitchen and make it into something really good.

...gotta have the right cooks to put it all together though! ;)

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It is 100% coaching.

Before anyone gets their knickers in a knot, I could care less about blame for a symptom, treating symptoms fixes nothing. Taking aspirin for a fever does nothing to treat the underlying condition causing the fever.

I view things in terms of accountability and who is responsible for the product that is put on the field. Penalties are not a problem, they are a symptom of the underlying problem of poor mental conditioning. Predictable play calling is not the problem, it is the symptom of a lack of football imagination. Inefficient personnel utilization is not the problem, it is a symptom of talent ignorance. You know how we are often reminded of how some players go to other teams and find greatness? That is a symptom of talent ignorance and not knowing how to use what you have.

Now, if we are not prepared emotionally or mentally to hold the coaches accountable for performance on the field, what are they needed for? Mrs. Benson can hire anyone off the street for a fraction of the compensation to hold a clipboard.

Before I click submit reply, the GM is responsible for the coaches and he needs to go as well. The Payton/Brees era was an alignment of stars so to speak, not a string of strategic decisions that Loomis can repeat (or he would have). :bng: