2023 Saints Salary Cap Watch

BakoSaint · 06-26-2023, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Bako, your long post conveniently cherry-picks data points to try and prove your opinion that the Saints FO sucks. So much so that you have to reference the greatest QB ever to play in order to try and prove it. You bring up the Rams and Tampa as good teams to follow? The Bucs spent 7 out of 8 seasons finishing last in the conference while the Saints were having great playoff runs. The hired a great mercenary QB and the league gave them a SB with referee help. Same thing with the Rams while they refs took away the Saint's second title with the PI no call in the playoffs. The Rams had multiple seasons with 5 or less wins including a 1 win season while Lommis and Company have never had less than 7 wins in a normal season. Bringing up instances of teams that may be currently in better shape than us does not erase the fact that Loomis has had this franchise at a very extended streak of winning football and avoided being an irrelevant team with one, two or three win seasons his entire time here. It's just amazing the lack of credit and respect you give the team.

I would rather we finish last place 7 of 8 seasons and win the Super Bowl the eighth than have 8 frustrating playoff runs where we can't quite get there. We are not the Falcons or Matt Ryan, its not about honorable mentions. I was heartbroken by how we were robbed in the NFCCG vs the Rams but realistically I think we only slightly overmatched the Rams, it was an extremely close game, and the Patriots dominated the Rams in the Super Bowl, so I think we can't say we would have won the Super Bowl if not for that call. We would have played in it, but realistically I think you have have to give the Patriots at least 60/40 odds given their track record and what they did against the Rams. And also if you give credit to Loomis for where he would have got us if not for the refs, you also have to consider the refs point forward, and realize we can't just be good to beat 12 men we need to be great, and I don't think we are going to be great by holding onto the likes of Andrus Peat.

There are many examples of rebuilding not just the Rams and Bucs. I think the reason the Chiefs avoid our strategy with the cap is because the only way they won't contend with Maholmes is if they get stuck in a lot of bad contracts and can't put even a decent team around him. So they let Mathieu go knowing a safety usually will decline at his age. And they traded Tyreek Hill knowing his off the field issues and his aging and relying on speed. So they rebuilt, and they still won it all. Meanwhile the Falcons had about the same record as us last year, while they moved on from Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, and Deion Jones. Rebuilding didnt hurt them. Meanwhile the Eagles got to the Super Bowl by being willing to absorb big cap hits moving on from Wentz and other veterans to build around a younger QB in Hurts and have the money to add a star WR for him when they needed it. You can say I cherry pick, but its clearly cherry picking to claim we will be the Browns or Lions or Jags if we don't follow Loomis' strategy. The most successful franchises of our era are the Patriots and recently the Chiefs. Both have been willing to move on from vets to avoid blowing the cap. I just don't think we are some amazing innovators while defying the strategy of those winning rings. Loomis' strategy of max cap leverage is no move innovative than his strategy of overpaying an aging RB and guaranteeing 90% of that running backs salary against an imminent suspension for no good reason.

06-26-2023, 06:15 PM	#21
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,430	Re: 2023 Saints Salary Cap Watch Originally Posted by Boston Saint Bako, your long post conveniently cherry-picks data points to try and prove your opinion that the Saints FO sucks. So much so that you have to reference the greatest QB ever to play in order to try and prove it. You bring up the Rams and Tampa as good teams to follow? The Bucs spent 7 out of 8 seasons finishing last in the conference while the Saints were having great playoff runs. The hired a great mercenary QB and the league gave them a SB with referee help. Same thing with the Rams while they refs took away the Saint's second title with the PI no call in the playoffs. The Rams had multiple seasons with 5 or less wins including a 1 win season while Lommis and Company have never had less than 7 wins in a normal season. Bringing up instances of teams that may be currently in better shape than us does not erase the fact that Loomis has had this franchise at a very extended streak of winning football and avoided being an irrelevant team with one, two or three win seasons his entire time here. It's just amazing the lack of credit and respect you give the team. I would rather we finish last place 7 of 8 seasons and win the Super Bowl the eighth than have 8 frustrating playoff runs where we can't quite get there. We are not the Falcons or Matt Ryan, its not about honorable mentions. I was heartbroken by how we were robbed in the NFCCG vs the Rams but realistically I think we only slightly overmatched the Rams, it was an extremely close game, and the Patriots dominated the Rams in the Super Bowl, so I think we can't say we would have won the Super Bowl if not for that call. We would have played in it, but realistically I think you have have to give the Patriots at least 60/40 odds given their track record and what they did against the Rams. And also if you give credit to Loomis for where he would have got us if not for the refs, you also have to consider the refs point forward, and realize we can't just be good to beat 12 men we need to be great, and I don't think we are going to be great by holding onto the likes of Andrus Peat. There are many examples of rebuilding not just the Rams and Bucs. I think the reason the Chiefs avoid our strategy with the cap is because the only way they won't contend with Maholmes is if they get stuck in a lot of bad contracts and can't put even a decent team around him. So they let Mathieu go knowing a safety usually will decline at his age. And they traded Tyreek Hill knowing his off the field issues and his aging and relying on speed. So they rebuilt, and they still won it all. Meanwhile the Falcons had about the same record as us last year, while they moved on from Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, and Deion Jones. Rebuilding didnt hurt them. Meanwhile the Eagles got to the Super Bowl by being willing to absorb big cap hits moving on from Wentz and other veterans to build around a younger QB in Hurts and have the money to add a star WR for him when they needed it. You can say I cherry pick, but its clearly cherry picking to claim we will be the Browns or Lions or Jags if we don't follow Loomis' strategy. The most successful franchises of our era are the Patriots and recently the Chiefs. Both have been willing to move on from vets to avoid blowing the cap. I just don't think we are some amazing innovators while defying the strategy of those winning rings. Loomis' strategy of max cap leverage is no move innovative than his strategy of overpaying an aging RB and guaranteeing 90% of that running backs salary against an imminent suspension for no good reason.
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