Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard
 

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Interview was more about player prospects ... He likes the Tulane RB.

We'll get some new blood for asst coaches from the senior bowl.


And the OC ?

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:censored:

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Philosophical differences? WTH does that mean exactly ?

Kris wants to WIN & Dennis wants to lose HIS way? So they “restructuring” the defensive staff but keep the offensive crew in tact?? Make it make sense.

This man is just not head coaching material. The dysfunction will continue on until he is eventually fired. Sad 😞.

2023 is shaping up to be awful.

Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard
 

I would not be surprised to see wr coach curtis johnson go next. His philosophy seems very different than Allen and Loomis. He did not enable them to feature Trequan Smith the way they wanted.

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I swear that PC must have some compromising pics of Mrs. B or something! How are you cleaning house on what was obviously a STRENGTH of this team last year, and not do anything to address the weak ass elphants in the coaches office! DAYUM!!!

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Quite alarming how far this team has fallen under Dennis Allen.

We lose Ryan, Kris, and Roushar yet retain an OC who was the bottom half of the league. IIRC Roushar played a part in why Juwan has improved @ TE.

Make it make sense.

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Look... We fixing to tank to a 3 win season. We need bonehead moves like this to get a top five pick in 2024.

Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard
 

Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard
 

Our 7-10 record and 22nd rated offense had just as much to do with fielding a backup QB all season behind a makeshift offensive line as it did the playcalling of the offensive coordinator. Sure, Carmichael deserves some blame, but not all of it. There's few coordinators in the league that could have won with what we had to deal with personnel wise this past season.

Let's also not forget that SIX of our loses came against eventual playoff teams. Those are games you are supposed to lose when fielding backups in key positions.

Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard
 

Dallas will probably call (lots of coaching vacancies) on Kris to work in some capacity. Maybe even with SP in Denver.

Most of us know how well Dan Quinn can assemble a defense (see Seattle and Dallas).

I wish Kris all the best.

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Great point you made here Guido. No quality depth9 (maybe because of lack of draft picks), better OC's out there could have called better games and playoff teams beat us 6 times. Don't know about you but that statement alone says we're not close to competing. Oh I'll add our DC's have bailed and Allen only let a RB coach go ( that's a sign of good leadership) I'm curious who really wants to come to a sinking ship under Allen watch. They are going to be hard up for a job to work under this clown.

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20-0 Baby!

:bng:

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My guess is that Richard's and Allen's philosophical differences may have involved defensive playcalling duties. We all know Allen doesn't want to give them up, nor would I want him to. This hire would make that less of an issue.

Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard
 

Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard
 

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OTOH, the flip side of that could also be argued. Just how many of our wins could have been losses... all except one or two maybe? We're not that far off from a 3 win season... just has to be next year to reap the proper benefits. We have to purge and clean up our cap and infuse real good young talent on rookie contracts.

If we're going to suck, might as well suck and not be way over the cap. It's time to clean up the CC.

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Oh great, Allen is bringing in coaches from his Raiders days, we are now building the 2014 Raiders here. Gotta love that.

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You are assuming we are going to suck. Nobody knows that without some sort of crystal ball. I would prefer we not suck as opposed to wishing we would. Not saying you, Smash, are among those wanting us to suck, but they are out there.

Oh, and by the way, I counted only two of our wins that were close (less than 7 points) and they were both to the Falcons. Four of our losses were four points or less. Almost all of that with a backup QB.

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Woods was his DB coach for four games. Not quite building the 2014 Raiders, Bro. LOL!

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Lol baby!!

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Allen and company will hire a placeholder. Both will be gone in 2024.

At this point, only a fool would believe in anything that Dennis Allen does or says.

The level of incompetence has been mind-blowing this past season.

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Never assume that we're going to suck. None of us are, really. But if we're going to suck, we shouldn't be way over the cap. That then shows even more ineptitude on behalf of Saints management. We DO have to lay much of the blame on the former coach and Loomie. I guarantee you that if Saints HAD successfully drafted Mahomes, SP wouldn't have changed zip codes. He wouldn't be crying about being burned out and needing time off, only to start fresh anew in the mile high city. That's why many fans are still salty... SP quit when he couldn't transition from Brees.

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We are only "way over the cap" because that's the way contracts are purposely structured with inflated future base salaries and roster/workout bonuses. It not the result of anything but intentional design. Realistically we are as much as $30 million under the cap as things stand right now.

As for Mahomes, how can you place any blame on Loomis and Payton for the Saints not having him now? They attempted to move up to try to get him but were unable to make any deal to get up that high. That's not their fault. Move on from that.

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Accurate.

Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard
 

Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard
 

Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard
 

Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard
 

Allen got a hold of the keys to an M5 and wrecked it within 1 season :rolleyes:.

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Whether it's a Mahomes or some other QB, the fact still remains that SP failed to transition from Brees. For a reputed QB whisperer, it is abundantly obvious this reputation is overstated. It still stands that had he been able to get a Mahomes, he'd still be here and we wouldn't even have a discussion. Think about it, as much as the Saints traded up for talent, if he was so hot to trot on Mahomes as he now so eloquently espouses to be, he could have traded up to snatch Mahomes away from KC, yes even a mere few picks away. Somebody would have taken two number ones, something Saints had already done. Saints simply didn't offer it.

As far as QB contracts, they are completely out of hand, so much so there is a discussion to have a separate category outside of the cap. Brees contracts and other player contracts significantly contributed to pushing what is essentially debt forward. That is the methodology Loomie showed the rest of the league how to do. And it works so long as the team continues to be in contention, which it isn't now. If the talent evaluations, both draft and FA, fall off a cliff, it can seriously hurt a team. We are now reaping the aftermath of such said bad evaluations and faulty roster management including managing aging players, injuries notwithstanding. Yes, they (injuries) are part of the game. There is what seems to be a new climate on how injuries are handled. What hasn't adjusted yet are the financial ramifications of the injuries. There is a reason we do have a cap. If teams are to manage injuries the way we've seen teams now handle them, not just the Saints, there ought to be financial ramifications on how these salaries are handled. If an RPO QB is the way of the future, they cannot get paid insane contracts. An argument could instead be to pay them less since they won't be able to hold up an entire season. Maybe we're segueing into two QB systems. Only the very elite QBs deserve the very elite contracts. Right now it's Mahomes and Burrow... and that's it. This nonsense to have the likes of Dak Prescott and Desahwn Watson and so on with cap crippling contracts is just plain stupid. This is a team game. It's already been proven time and time again one can win a SB sans an elite QB. Yes, it's easier. But those are few and far between. The cap is the biggest ever and is big enough to manage player salaries. Owners can't let players get paid too much. However with gambling now so intertwined in the league, tampering is abound to save those overpaid players so that they themselves are shielded in whatever capacity RG needs them to be shielded for the sake of the NFL brand. And here we enter the realm of "entertainment" and not a truly competitive sport as we all grew up to love.

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BMWs are notoriously finicky and unreliable, but fun when they DO work. Not every mechanic understands how to work on them ... or even drive them. :bugeyes:

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Transitioning from a hall of fame QB to another great, or even competent QB is easier said than done, Smash. The number of times it has been done successfully in the history of the NFL can probably be counted on two hands. I believe to put all of that blame on Payton because of our current situation is shortsighted. For all we know Jameis could have been that perfect transition. But injuries sidetracked both of his seasons following the Brees era.

As for QB salaries, it is what it is. There are 32 teams and only so many great QB's in the world. Certainly not enough to go around. This is truly a case of supply and demand. When the elite QB's are all taken the great ones become the highest demand. Once the great ones are all taken the good ones become the highest demand. Etcetera.

Contracts in general have to continue to rise. That was collectively bargained. A set percentage of league revenues are required to go toward player contracts. As the revenues skyrocket so do the salaries. Owners cannot control salaries as you wish. Those are controlled purely by the market. To artificially attempt to control the cost of QB's would take collusion by the owners. This is something NFL ownership needs to avoid at all costs as it is one area that could destroy the league in the antitrust arena.

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I used that reference because I own an M5. It's only been serviced twice in 4 years :p. The power, workmanship, and german engineering are without a doubt addictive.

Wonderful cars, but yes they do break. Especially when you have so many internal moving parts and electronics involved.

An extended warranty (through BMW) is highly recommended :p.

Side note - not all are "unreliable". I had an E39 (5 series) and the motor is a tank. The newer Bimmers are not nearly as reliable ;).

Re: Report: Saints part ways with Kris Richard
 

Speaking of QB salaries ...

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In my younger days, I was hot on the M3. Couldn't afford it then. I got an S2000 in 2003... still have it today. It's worth more now than the day I bought it.

I am in love with the 718 Spyder. It would be a suitable replacement for the S. At about $125K + I can't justify the cost for a garage queen, even though it would do nothing but appreciate in value.

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That's awesome stuff sir Smash :p. I like your taste in automobiles/sportscars.

And yes, I can most definitely understand why you have kept on to your S2000.

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That would be considered by many as giving up on Dennis Allen and not giving him the tools he needs to compete. I'm hoping for a stopgap quarterback while drafting the best available quarterback in the draft and then changing the system to fit him not Drew's old system.

With Atlanta, Carolina, and Tampa Bay looking at a serious rebuild I would hate to wait until next year to start that process for us when we would be behind the eight ball.