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WhoDat!656 02-13-2023 07:39 AM

I am pi$$ed off to the heights of pi$$$tivity!
 
All of the talking heads are wringing their hands like a bleeding heart liberal over the defensive holding call that effectively handed the Super Bowl to the Chiefs yesterday.

I don't remember this much angst when the refs didn't make an obvious pass interference/helmet to helmet hit that if called, would have sent the Saints to their second Super Bowl and we would have finally had a Brees/Brady Super Bowl!

SmashMouth 02-13-2023 07:45 AM

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Yes... we all noticed.

Now Feagle Fans can STFU.

SmashMouth 02-13-2023 08:08 AM

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SmashMouth 02-13-2023 08:21 AM

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AsylumGuido 02-13-2023 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 969607)
All of the talking heads are wringing their hands like a bleeding heart liberal over the defensive holding call that effectively handed the Super Bowl to the Chiefs yesterday.

I don't remember this much angst when the refs didn't make an obvious pass interference/helmet to helmet hit that if called, would have sent the Saints to their second Super Bowl and we would have finally had a Brees/Brady Super Bowl!

It's because they all picked the Eagles to win and were wrong. I am delighted that Philly lost. Even more delighted that Ceedy lost after disrespecting his former Saints teammates. Now I hope Jalen Hurts demands a five year $300 million fully guaranteed deal when his time comes.

AsylumGuido 02-13-2023 08:57 AM

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neugey 02-13-2023 09:19 AM

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Kansas City rushed for more yards than the Eagles on less attempts. The Eagles had no sacks on Mahomes and really didn't disrupt him all that much. The Eagles led by 10 but struggled in the second half, despite getting benefit of the doubt on a few key calls.

But recency bias applies to the end of the game I guess.

leilung 02-13-2023 09:29 AM

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Coming from the Del Val area, I had to listen to all the tix being sold to ride the Eagles Hype Train for the past few weeks.

When they started whining about perceived crappy officiating from that ONE call, I kindly reminded them that I am a SAINTS FAN!!!
Sit yo a$$ down and take a number for the complaint department!

leilung 02-13-2023 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 969631)
Kansas City rushed for more yards than the Eagles on less attempts. The Eagles had no sacks on Mahomes and really didn't disrupt him all that much. The Eagles led by 10 but struggled in the second half, despite getting benefit of the doubt on a few key calls.

But recency bias applies to the end of the game I guess.

Best D in the league had 0 sacks, 0 turnovers, and allowed not one but TWO walk-in TDs in the 2nd half...

but hey, it was the bias of the officials and bad turf that cost them the game.

Bye Felicia!

WhoDat!656 02-13-2023 12:18 PM

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Someone leaked the Super Bowl script

https://twitter.com/masteratworkinc/...VoHVOmxPqsOdlw

BakoSaint 02-13-2023 12:30 PM

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It was a borderline call. The reason Bradberry is owning up to it is that he saw what happened to the Saints when they criticized the refs. The most penalties were called on them for years. He does not want to drown in flags until he is washed out of the leagues. If you are a player and you miss a game due to a family emergency and in the game you miss a key controversial penalty is inexplicably called on you when you are 2000 miles away, the smartest thing unfortunately is to own up to the penalty and praise the brilliant officiating. Otherwise you are public enemy #1 for not realizing what a hard job the refs have and not respecting their authority and trying to embaresss them.

bobdog86 02-13-2023 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 969627)

i think the big issue, at least for me was this hand fighting happened throughout the first 55 minutes or so with little or no calls, now all of sudden it was called at that moment. Once again, was it holding? yes....should it have been called in that situation, at that moment? not so sure. I'm like you good to see ceedy lose.

Sinner 02-13-2023 04:30 PM

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All I can say (again) is Mahomes is a monster and Andy Reid is a Master Strategist. Wish we had both.

iceshack149 02-13-2023 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 969651)
It was a borderline call. The reason Bradberry is owning up to it is that he saw what happened to the Saints when they criticized the refs. The most penalties were called on them for years. He does not want to drown in flags until he is washed out of the leagues. If you are a player and you miss a game due to a family emergency and in the game you miss a key controversial penalty is inexplicably called on you when you are 2000 miles away, the smartest thing unfortunately is to own up to the penalty and praise the brilliant officiating. Otherwise you are public enemy #1 for not realizing what a hard job the refs have and not respecting their authority and trying to embaresss them.

Agree. We've seen what Goodell did to the Saints for over a decade.

https://blackandgold.com/data:image/...BH4HH0oXigP//Zhttps://www.crossingbroad.com/wp-con...ULWwAANpgd.jpg

AsylumGuido 02-13-2023 05:19 PM

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https://media.kasperskydaily.com/wp-...ilhatday-3.jpg

:clown:

stickman 02-13-2023 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 969653)
i think the big issue, at least for me was this hand fighting happened throughout the first 55 minutes or so with little or no calls, now all of sudden it was called at that moment. Once again, was it holding? yes....should it have been called in that situation, at that moment? not so sure. I'm like you good to see ceedy lose.

Agreed. I am fine with a call like that as long as they have been calling it like that the whole game. Not all of a sudden.

And I don't agree with people who say you shouldn't call that at the end of the game. I don't get why the rules should change at the end of the game.

K Major 02-13-2023 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 969665)
And I don't agree with people who say you shouldn't call that at the end of the game. I don't get why the rules should change at the end of the game.

+1. Noticed Greg Olsen said that a couple of times.

A hold is a hold.

AsylumGuido 02-13-2023 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 969665)
Agreed. I am fine with a call like that as long as they have been calling it like that the whole game. Not all of a sudden.

And I don't agree with people who say you shouldn't call that at the end of the game. I don't get why the rules should change at the end of the game.

I agree. It doesn't matter if an officiating crew fails to make a call earlier in a game for whatever reason. If they see one near the end of the game they should call it. Calls are going to be missed at times, but should never be ignored when they are seen regardless of the timeliness of the call.

SmashMouth 02-13-2023 08:20 PM

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AsylumGuido 02-14-2023 09:33 AM

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It was clearly a hold. It seems that most people complaining are assuming the call was on Bradbury's left hand use. That's not what drew the flag It was his right hand earlier on the cut that clearly stretch the jersey of the receiver and impaired his ability to make the cut. See below.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo0eu63X...g&name=900x900

It wasn't at this point ... itthe hold happened about three yards earlier.

https://nypost.com/wp-content/upload...s-eagles-1.jpg

AsylumGuido 02-14-2023 09:35 AM

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo0eiceX...jpg&name=large

leilung 02-14-2023 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 969665)
Agreed. I am fine with a call like that as long as they have been calling it like that the whole game. Not all of a sudden.

And I don't agree with people who say you shouldn't call that at the end of the game. I don't get why the rules should change at the end of the game.

This is why I always have issues, particularly in Title Games or the Final Four in March Madness, where the refs swallow their whistles. Call it consistently dow the line, whether there's a Half left to play or 30 seconds.

AsylumGuido 02-14-2023 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 969680)
This is why I always have issues, particularly in Title Games or the Final Four in March Madness, where the refs swallow their whistles. Call it consistently dow the line, whether there's a Half left to play or 30 seconds.

Yup. But, one side or the other will always complain in the end. Even on a correct call like this one.

Rugby Saint II 02-14-2023 12:12 PM

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We need full-time referees who work together full-time studying film and maybe working XFL games, USFL, Canadian league, or whatever they're playing now. But the rules exist for Roger Godhell and the owners. Nothing else matters. Not you. Not me. It's all about lining the owners pockets. It's certainly not about the Integrity of the game/ entertainment.

As long as this is entertainment and not a real sport there is no way that the NFL will relinquish their control of the game with manipulative calls by the referee. The referees are either incompetent or biased and it is becoming more obvious every year to more and more fans.

AsylumGuido 02-14-2023 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 969693)
We need full-time referees who work together full-time studying film and maybe working XFL games, USFL, Canadian league, or whatever they're playing now. But the rules exist for Roger Godhell and the owners. Nothing else matters. Not you. Not me. It's all about lining the owners pockets. It's certainly not about the Integrity of the game/ entertainment.

As long as this is entertainment and not a real sport there is no way that the NFL will relinquish their control of the game with manipulative calls by the referee. The referees are either incompetent or biased and it is becoming more obvious every year to more and more fans.

Even with full-time officials there are going to be missed calls. There is no way to eliminate them. No matter how well trained they are they are unfortunately human. The only solution is to have challenges available for every play.

SmashMouth 02-14-2023 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 969694)
Even with full-time officials there are going to be missed calls. There is no way to eliminate them. No matter how well trained they are they are unfortunately human. The only solution is to have challenges available for every play.

Yet the two new upstart leagues seem to have a decent handle on it. Will Vegas eventually ruin this too?

AsylumGuido 02-14-2023 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 969708)
Yet the two new upstart leagues seem to have a decent handle on it. Will Vegas eventually ruin this too?

A decent handle on what?

AsylumGuido 02-14-2023 03:46 PM

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Okay, this is cold. Real cold.


Rugby Saint II 02-18-2023 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 969694)
Even with full-time officials there are going to be missed calls. There is no way to eliminate them. No matter how well trained they are they are unfortunately human. The only solution is to have challenges available for every play.

Sure. Some calls will always be missed. Maybe another solution is fining the referees for bad calls. I wonder when they review these referees if there is actual punishment for a job poorly done? You are right that even highly trained referees will miss calls but why not make everyone highly trained and accountable so that there are fewer bad calls. Yeah, the problem is the referees don't appear to be held accountable to the public who sees the inefficiency game after game after game!

vpheughan 02-18-2023 02:17 PM

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THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX



Eliminate Offensive and Defensive Holding:

All players on the OL, DL, LB and DB's would wear some sort of limited flexibility glove. A mitten would be even better. This would lead to a change in blocking techniques by the OL and new pass rushing and pass covering techniques on the Defensive side.

The Offense is supposed to make positive yardage plays and score points.
The Defense is supposed to prevent positive yardage plays and scores.

AsylumGuido 02-18-2023 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 969959)
THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX



Eliminate Offensive and Defensive Holding:

All players on the OL, DL, LB and DB's would wear some sort of limited flexibility glove. A mitten would be even better. This would lead to a change in blocking techniques by the OL and new pass rushing and pass covering techniques on the Defensive side.

The Offense is supposed to make positive yardage plays and score points.
The Defense is supposed to prevent positive yardage plays and scores.

QB's would love that. Nobody would be able to intercept the ball.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

BakoSaint 02-18-2023 08:11 PM

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The problem is that Goodell makes it clear to referees when he has an agenda, like seeing his Los Angeles experiment succeed or putting Maholmes in the conversation as the next GOAT just as Brady retired. So, while there are these borderline calls that are technically penalties but only sometimes get called, refs know that uncle Roger will give them a rub down with his magic hands if they happen to make the choice on those borderline calls that benefit his chosen team in the big playoff games.

It sucks to see the Super Bowl decided on a borderline call that while legit, would not have been called half the time. Especially when we missed out on something that would have been called 99% of the time. Perhaps there should be some special rules for the critical moments of big games that allow borderline calls to result in a replay of the down rather than being a black and white judgement call where the refs decide the game by whether they throw a flag. Make more of it reviewable but give the option to replay the down if its borderline and should not decide the game.

vpheughan 02-19-2023 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 969961)
QB's would love that. Nobody would be able to intercept the ball.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

The post was about offensive and defensive HOLDING nothing else.
Did you not understand that? I mentioned that the offense and defense would have to evolve. Did you miss that too?

When you finish your little laugh click the link below and learn other evolutions of the game after certain rules were changed.
For Example: The QB couldn't throw a pass unless he was 5 yds. behind the line of scrimmage?

Its first playoff game in 1932 — a game forced indoors by deep snow and frigid temperatures — inspired one of the most significant rules changes in NFL history.

In that game, Chicago Bears fullback and future Hall of Famer Bronko Nagurski faked a plunge, stepped back, jumped and completed a lob pass to Red Grange for a key touchdown in his team’s 9-0 victory over the Portsmouth (Ohio) Spartans. The Spartans complained bitterly (SOUND FAMILIAR?) that the play violated a rule stating passes must be thrown from at least 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage.



https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules...the-nfl-rules/

AsylumGuido 02-19-2023 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 969975)
The post was about offensive and defensive HOLDING nothing else.
Did you not understand that? I mentioned that the offense and defense would have to evolve. Did you miss that too?

When you finish your little laugh click the link below and learn other evolutions of the game after certain rules were changed.
For Example: The QB couldn't throw a pass unless he was 5 yds. behind the line of scrimmage?

Its first playoff game in 1932 — a game forced indoors by deep snow and frigid temperatures — inspired one of the most significant rules changes in NFL history.

In that game, Chicago Bears fullback and future Hall of Famer Bronko Nagurski faked a plunge, stepped back, jumped and completed a lob pass to Red Grange for a key touchdown in his team’s 9-0 victory over the Portsmouth (Ohio) Spartans. The Spartans complained bitterly (SOUND FAMILIAR?) that the play violated a rule stating passes must be thrown from at least 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage.



https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules...the-nfl-rules/

Ease up. I didn't miss anything. I was even aware of the anecdote you copied. I just mentioned that with the entire defense being literally handcuffed the offense wouldn't have many worries about the ball being intercepted. That would would have a far greater impact on the game than artificially restricting holding.

I also included your own signature ROTFL smilies for grins.

:D

mapcow 02-19-2023 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 969622)
It's because they all picked the Eagles to win and were wrong. I am delighted that Philly lost. Even more delighted that Ceedy lost after disrespecting his former Saints teammates. Now I hope Jalen Hurts demands a five year $300 million fully guaranteed deal when his time comes.

hence, and there it is ... the making of a prima donna. :beatnik:


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