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AsylumGuido 02-28-2023 04:40 PM
5 worst head coaches in New Orleans Saints franchise history
 
5 worst head coaches in New Orleans Saints franchise history


John Sigler
February 28, 2023 3:35 pm CT

Ask around and you’ll find some New Orleans Saints fans who are ready to call Dennis Allen the worst head coach in franchise history, which is a bit shortsighted. It’s very shortsighted, actually. Allen has his faults and the team wasn’t as competitive as it should have been last year because of his flaws as a coach and too-conservative game management, but he’s far from the worst coach to wear a headset in New Orleans. Anyone saying otherwise needs some perspective.

We’re only considering coaches who managed at least 15 games for New Orleans, which eliminates interims like Joe Vitt (10 games), Rick Venturi (8), and Wade Phillips (4). Some fans will be quick to suggest also-rans like Bum Phillips and Dick Nolan as the worst coaches in team history, but we believe these men take the cake. Do you agree with our list?

5 Hank Stram, 1976-1977 (7-21-0)

4 John North, 1973-1975 (11-23-0)

3 Tom Fears, 1967-1970 (13-34-2)

2 J.D. Roberts, 1970-1972 (7-25-3)

1 Mike Ditka, 1997-1999 (15-33-0)

Read the rest and all the details here ...

AsylumGuido 02-28-2023 04:45 PM
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As a nine year old kid I wasn't as aware or caring as to what type of job the head coach was doing. Fears, Roberts, and North really weren't that influential to me one way or the other. However, Coach Stram was semi-legendary and gave me hope. Ditka was truly legendary and brought excitement ... until he started coaching and making decisions. Dennis Allen belongs in the Hall of Fame compared to what Ditka brought to our team.

bobdog86 02-28-2023 05:57 PM
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I think Ditka should be #1-5, everyone else gets a pass compared to his sh*t show

stickman 02-28-2023 07:51 PM
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I have vague memories of a "Don't Yank Hank" movement before Stram was fired. There were those who felt he was building the team and the owner just decided to make a change. I think that's when he brought in Bum Phillips.

vpheughan 02-28-2023 09:28 PM
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This brings up the question: Was it the Coach or the General Manager?
Hank Stram had Don Klosterman (See Below) as his GM during his "Good" years.

In 1960, Frank Leahy, the former head football coach at the University of Notre Dame, was the general manager of the AFL's Los Angeles Chargers. He asked Klosterman to help him recruit players. Klosterman joined the team and helped land future Hall of Famers Lance Alworth,along with Ernie Ladd, John Hadl and Jack Kemp.
He moved on to the AFL's Dallas Texans, and with them and their successors, the Kansas City Chiefs, he helped sign Bobby Bell, Buck Buchanan, Pete Beathard, Mike Garrett and Otis Taylor, most of them important players in the Chiefs' win over the Minnesota Vikings in the fourth AFL-NFL World Championship Game.

He guided the AFL's Houston Oilers to two playoff berths in his four years as their general manager (1966–1969), then moved to the NFL as Baltimore's general manager in 1970. The Colts won Super Bowl V after his first season as GM. Carroll Rosenbloom, the Colts' owner, traded franchises with the Los Angeles Rams owner Robert Irsay in 1972. Rosenbloom kept Klosterman as his GM through the 1982 season and was rewarded with a series of playoff teams.

Klosterman then served as general manager of the Los Angeles Express of the United States Football League (1984-1985), which gained wide publicity when he signed Young, the star passer from BYU. The deal was in excess of $40 million in 1984. Although the league folded, Young became a star with the NFL's San Francisco 49ers.


5 Hank Stram, 1976-1977 (7-21-0)

4 John North, 1973-1975 (11-23-0)

3 Tom Fears, 1967-1970 (13-34-2)

2 J.D. Roberts, 1970-1972 (7-25-3)

1 Mike Ditka, 1997-1999 (15-33-0)

Ditka also "Won" with a team stocked with players drafted by Jim Finks.

Though Ditka won that title and made the playoffs seven times in his career, time proved his tenure to be somewhat underachieving. He failed to reach another Super Bowl and had less and less success as the well of talent Finks filled began to dry up.

MatthewT 03-01-2023 06:47 AM
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I always felt Hank Stram was fired prematurely and would have lead the Saints into relevance. Of course it's hard to keep a job after losing 33-14 to the 0-26 Buccaneers, the game that most likely sealed his fate.

SmashMouth 03-01-2023 10:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 970467)
I think Ditka should be #1-5, everyone else gets a pass compared to his sh*t show
Why was he such a chit show for his second stint as a coach? Surely it's not just the RW trade.

That reminds me, isn't this the second time around for DA as well?

MatthewT 03-01-2023 10:36 AM
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Ditka didn't have any stability at QB, Heath Shuler was brought in to replace Jim Everett, just a horrible decision, and it never got better from there. I think in all 3 seasons under Ditka they started 4 different QB's each season.

AsylumGuido 03-01-2023 10:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 970482)
Why was he such a chit show for his second stint as a coach? Surely it's not just the RW trade.

That reminds me, isn't this the second time around for DA as well?
Yup. Just like the Patriots was Bill Belichick's second time around after compiling a losing record with a dysfunctional franchise in his first attempt at head coach. He went 5-11 his first season with the Patriots. If I remember correctly, the fans were wanting him fired after that season and were labeling him as incompetent. Sound familiar?

;)

bobdog86 03-01-2023 10:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 970482)
Why was he such a chit show for his second stint as a coach? Surely it's not just the RW trade.

That reminds me, isn't this the second time around for DA as well?
just my .02- Coach Sh*tka loved his legacy and himself more than any skill in developing a winning team/culture. A true Narcissist indeed. Not sure about DA at this point, he hasnt luckily stepped into a Lombardi like Sh*tka.

AsylumGuido 03-01-2023 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 970484)
Ditka didn't have any stability at QB, Heath Shuler was brought in to replace Jim Everett, just a horrible decision, and it never got better from there. I think in all 3 seasons under Ditka they started 4 different QB's each season.
You are correct. Shuler, Hobert, Wuerffel, Nussmeier, Tolliver, Collins, and Delhomme in various combinations.

SmashMouth 03-01-2023 11:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 970485)
Yup. Just like the Patriots was Bill Belichick's second time around after compiling a losing record with a dysfunctional franchise in his first attempt at head coach. He went 5-11 his first season with the Patriots. If I remember correctly, the fans were wanting him fired after that season and were labeling him as incompetent. Sound familiar?

;)
So are you saying we are now to expect 6 SB appearances since he's following BB's footsteps? :confused:

AsylumGuido 03-01-2023 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 970494)
So are you saying we are now to expect 6 SB appearances since he's following BB's footsteps? :confused:
Not necessarily. No more than we should expect him to fail miserably. Maybe he also lucks into a 6th round hall of fame QB. It has happened before.

K Major 03-01-2023 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 970494)
So are you saying we are now to expect 6 SB appearances since he's following BB's footsteps? :confused:
John Siegler and a few here are the ones who are "short-sighted".

Dennis Allen will go down as one of the worst head coaches in Raiders history & he's been a dud in New Orleans thus far.

And the comparisons by some with Bill B & Ditka are silly.

Bill B won 31 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons.
Mike Ditka won 36 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons.
Dennis Allen has won 15 games in 4 seasons (3.5 in Oakland) & 1 season in NOLA. Not to mention walking into NO with a talented roster in 2021/22.

But some of ya'll keep gloating over Allen, making excuses on a man who has ultimately had very little success as Head Coach with two different organizations :rolleyes:

Sinner 03-01-2023 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 970496)
John Siegler and a few here are the ones who are "short-sighted".

Dennis Allen will go down as one of the worst head coaches in Raiders history & he's been a dud in New Orleans thus far.

And the comparisons by some with Bill B & Ditka are silly.

Bill B won 31 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons.
Mike Ditka won 36 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons.
Dennis Allen has won 15 games in 4 seasons (3.5 in Oakland) & 1 season in NOLA. Not to mention walking into NO with a talented roster in 2021/22.

But some of ya'll keep gloating over Allen, making excuses on a man who has ultimately had very little success as Head Coach with two different organizations :rolleyes:

See this ^^^ right here? EXACTLY. THANK YOU.

Rugby Saint II 03-02-2023 11:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 970496)
John Siegler and a few here are the ones who are "short-sighted".

Dennis Allen will go down as one of the worst head coaches in Raiders history & he's been a dud in New Orleans thus far.

And the comparisons by some with Bill B & Ditka are silly.

Bill B won 31 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons.
Mike Ditka won 36 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons.
Dennis Allen has won 15 games in 4 seasons (3.5 in Oakland) & 1 season in NOLA. Not to mention walking into NO with a talented roster in 2021/22.

But some of ya'll keep gloating over Allen, making excuses on a man who has ultimately had very little success as Head Coach with two different organizations :rolleyes:
Dennis Allen is a good DC when he has top draft picks to make his defensive scheme work but he is not a good head coach. His leadership skills are limited and it shows with how sloppy the team was last year. He's got another year :roll: to keep doing what he's doing. Maybe he pulls a BB and gets it together. We'll see.

AsylumGuido 03-02-2023 01:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 970557)
Dennis Allen is a good DC when he has top draft picks to make his defensive scheme work but he is not a good head coach. His leadership skills are limited and it shows with how sloppy the team was last year. He's got another year :roll: to keep doing what he's doing. Maybe he pulls a BB and gets it together. We'll see.
If Dennis Allen was going "to keep doing what he's doing" then why did he replace virtually the whole coaching staff? Why is he pursuing Derek Carr so vehemently if he's just going "to keep doing what he's doing"? Legitimate questions, I believe, don't you, Rugs?

:bng:


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