Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes?
 

Is the duo of Derek Carr and Taysom Hill (for short yardage situations) better combined than Patrick Maholmes?

I ask this because from 2024-2026 we are paying more for them. Numbers from overthecap.

2024: Maholmes: $44.3 Million
Carr: $35.7 Million
Hill: $15.8 Million
Winston Dead Money: $8 Million?
Total Saints QBs: $59.5 Million

2025: Maholmes: $46.3 Million
Carr: $45.7 Million
Hill: $15.8 Million
Total Saints QBs: $61.5 Million

2026: Maholmes: $42 Million
Carr: $55.7 Million
Hill Dead Money: $5.3 Million
Total Saints Saints QBs: $61 Million

Total Excess QB Spending by Saints vs Maholmes 2024-2026: $49.4 Million.

I know we can restructure down the road, but that only pushed this money out. Long term, until Maholmes signs a new contract, we are paying Carr and Hill a combined $15-20 million a year more than Maholmes once the 2023 cheat year is over. And pushing the money further out just means that in 2027 we might be paying Carr and Hill $40 million more than Maholmes makes.

I just don't see how we can win a ring this way. 9-8, 10-7, sure its possible. But we are paying a QB we HOPE ranks 10-15th in the league and his Robin more than the best QBs in the league make. And we are an old team with limited draft assets and amongst the least cap space in the league that is not one player away.

I guess we will just have to rely on Dennis Allen being a much better head coach than Andy Reid.

Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes?
 

No......

"I guess we will just have to rely on Dennis Allen being a much better head coach than Andy Reid." I know this was in jest.

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Hell has frozen over. Pigs can fly.

Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes?
 

And now we can ask, are Juwan Johnson and Taysom Hill combined better than Travis Kelce? We are paying that combo more too. Whats better than a perfect 10? Two 6's. But don't worry, we are smart so we probably structured the contract so we can pay Johnson almost nothing this year, and the same as Kelce next year, and next year we can just restructure it to pay him almost nothing again, but then he will be due the same as Kelce in 2025 and 2026, double Kelce's salary in 2027, and triple Kelce's salary in dead cap if cut, so it will be smart to keep him at Kelce's salary forever. Same with Taysom Hill who is already pretty much there.

Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes?
 

Not a fair comparison since both players are arguably the best at their respective positions. No team in the NFL can compare their top guys at QB and TE and have the comparison be close to that of the Chiefs.

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I understand your issue. But let’s get real here. Does Kelce play QB, TE, WR, and basically a RB? Does he return kicks? Does he make tackles on special teams? Has he ever blocked punts or FGs?

Taysom does all of those things. He’s paid the way he is because of his athleticism and his ability to play multiple positions.

Just saying.

Trying to compare Hill’s contract to an elite one position person isn’t fair. Because those people are elite at that one position only, where as Hill is a dynamic player that plays several positions very well.

If you don’t think that Hill gives DC’s fits when he gets on the field, you’re crazy bro.

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I agree. Thats why I would like to see us spending less at those positions than the Chiefs.

Next thing you know we will be paying Dennis Allen and Pete Carmichael more combined than Andy Reid.

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Well, there is no doubt that Gayle is willing to write checks to get the job done. I see no problem with her trying to give the team the best opportunity to win by putting the people in charge she believes in and paying them well. Whether she is paying the right people has yet to be determined. BTW, the Chiefs are a pretty good team. Just sayin'.

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Who the hell thinks WE are paying Allen and Carmichael? LOL! The last I heard that comes out of the owner's pocket, not ours. :rolleyes:

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Roll your eyes all you want Loomis lover. The fact is that a million people had casual conversations today where they asked or were asked 'Who's your team?' and the 99.99% who are not insufferable pains in the butt did not reply "what do you mean, I don't own a team, it isn't my team, Gayle Benson or whoever it is owns them, I am just an insignificant fan." You need to get over it and recognize the concrete reality that its a common device in contemporary language that sports fans feel a sense of ownership of the team they follow and use possessive language. You can find a million examples of fans using such language if you google NFL "Who's your team?".

For example, here is the NFL suggesting fans refer to it as their team. And its their team, they can talk about who their team signed and who their team paid and whether their team is making the right decisions and will win.

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I just feel like Gayle is setting money on fire to strive for 9-8 mediocrity by paying Chiefs money for Raiders talent because she is not willing to rebuild or trusts washed up alcoholic GMs who aren't willing to rebuild. But maybe she is smarter than I think and she is trying to crater the franchise like the Jazz so she can sell it to Jeff Bezos for $8 billion and get the team moved out of town without a fight.

The Chiefs are a good team because they did smart things. They did not overpay a receiver with character issues. They got rid of a RB with character issues. When their old QB was getting near the end they drafted a replacement without completely mortgaging the future. They pay elite money when they have elite talent with elite character. They don't overextend themselves with the salary cap and thus when a player is aging, injury prone, or having character issues, or more than one of the above, they are able to move on, because they don't depend on being able to restructure every contract every year to stay under the cap. They can move on from players like Hunt, Hill, Mathieu, Clark, etc and leave flexibility to add the best value players with the best character and health while acquiring draft picks when the opportunities are right to stay young.

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Apparently, semantics is more important than football. My team is the New Orleans Saints and I don't even own them. I don't own stake in my teams stock or parent company but I obviously have emotional stock invested enough to be considered a fanatic. Enough so, that I started a thread about how each fan saw/viewed themselves. Most people were fans while others were die hard fanatics. Believe it or not there lot of fans who are passionate about "their teams"!

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Right there with you, Rugs. That's why I call them "my Saints" all the time. And they are "my players". And "my Saints" pay "my players" with their part of the league revenues as cap and is relevant.

However, (this part isn't addressing you, Rugs) anything paid to front office or coaches matters not to me at all. That's purely between the owner and them. Their pay shouldn't and doesn't have any relevance whatsoever to fans (or fanatics) like me or whomever.

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Right. The NFL has the cap to keep parity in the league. But if Gayle Benson wants to spend her money on better coaches and front office personnel it's no sweat off my back. If she wants to pay the front office like kings then great. I want to win too and it costs me nothing.

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Buying tickets to games put's money in the owners pockets. Granted just walking around money but technically all of those people in the stands constitute "WE" You as the "OWNER", YOUR SAINTS AS YOU ARE SO FOND OF STATING should know that!!

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That player salary portion of that ticket money I fork over is of interest to me. Those are revenues that are mandated per the CBA to be paid out to my players. However, I don't care what is paid to employ coaches or front office personnel. But, yes, who mans those positions is relevant. That I have never denied.