Lavar Arrington
 

Do we want him? His time as a Redskin is pretty obviously coming close to being over. Do we trade for him like we did for McKenzie, or do we hope the Redskins cut him in the offseason and we are able to make a play for him? I have read where he is regarded as the most overrated player in the league, outside of Urlacher. Even with that though, wouldn't he instantly become our best LB? We passed on Kendrell Bell due to injury history last off-season(at least I think that's why we passed), but he is blowing up in KC. Bottom line, do we take a shot and attempt to get Lavar?

RE: Lavar Arrington
 

He definately warrants consideration. He's a very talented linebacker when healthy and motivated. However if we draft a ready-now type of linebacker in the first round of next years draft... or second, then we might not need him as much. He's probably also going to get a nice size contract somewhere and I don't think we really can afford him. We still have to sign Bentley and Brown. Does anyone know how much longer we have Stallworth under contract for?

RE: Lavar Arrington
 

As far back as a leading linebacker is on the list for New Orleans , give it a shot .

Player Team G Cmb Tck Solo Ast

Jonathan Vilma NYJ 4 48 35.0 18 13
Courtney Watson NO 4 19 12.0 10 7

Re: RE: Lavar Arrington
 

According to NFLPA.org, Stallworth is signed until 2007. Lavar has a large contract, but more than likely this year we are gonna move a large contract in Howard, by him walking. Or we could trade him for Lavar. Doesn't mean we can't get one of the stud LBs in next year's draft as well. As a matter of fact, with Lavar falling so far down the depth chart for the Redskins, if we offered them Howard, they may throw in a first day pick just to get it done. Howard has been a star for the defense, but I think Will Smith can be too in a full time role. I have no doubt. So Lavar and say an AJ Hawk or a Chad Greenway? Ahmad Brooks? Yikes. Then we could have Watson at WLB where he should be. In one year, LB would go from an obvious weakness to a definite strength. But it's all just talk. I really just wanted to know if there was any interest in Lavar.

RE: Re: RE: Lavar Arrington
 

Boo... giving up on Colby already?

I've been thinking... anyone else besides me considered a switch to a 3-4? Will Smith like Jason Babin and DeMarcus Ware all have the ability to play outside linebacker. If we could draft a clogger, Wright from Texas, and surround him with Howard and Grant upfront... we could then make Will into a full time outside linebacker where he could reck havoc on other teams every down. Grant and Howard are both big enough to handle the DE spot on a 3-4 while still being able to rush the passer. So let's say we sign Arrington once he gets cut... which he will because he cap number gets larger and larger every year... Arrington, Watson, Colby/Fincher/Allen (whoever wants to step up out of them... another sugguestion is to put a Sims or Nichalson here in the second round), and Smith as our backers. How does that sound to everyone?

I like the sound of that. With a nod to Nicholson at the moment. Note: A.J has a brother here in Tallahassee. Freshman LB Derek Nicholson, 6-2 228. :wink:


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Who said anything about giving up on Colby? Kid needs to learn to tackle, but he will still get on the field. Besides, someone will get injured and give him PT, they always do. lol

But I am not sure I like Howard and Grant in a 3-4. That's a whole season of learning a new D. We see what it did to the Raiders D last year and they switched back this year. To play a 3-4, you have to have really special LBs. None of our LBs, at this point, would I consider special. Also, Lavar hasn't played in a 3-4 either I don't believe. So that would be a whole defense learning a new scheme. If we had better offense, maybe we could survive the growing pains. Now I like what you are saying about getting big Willie on the field as a pass rushing 3-4 end, but Babin and Ware weigh 23 and 27 pounds less than Will respectively. That allows them to do more in a 3-4 than just rush. We wouldn't have that with Will. Plus that gives them more speed. Will is the right weight for a 4-3 end, he just needs to get on the field. finally, Venturi can't coach a 4-3 defense, do you really want to trust him with a philosophy change? lol

Definately. I've watched Arrington blow up people. He is bettter than any of the Saints current linebackers so go out and get him.
I love the linebacker position and have been starving for a good to great LB to be on the field for the Saints. Especially get him if they can make a trade for Howard.

Who said anything about Venturi coaching them... :P Hopefully we'll be able to get rid of him at the end of the year. With all that I've said, this is with the thought of us missing the playoffs and finishing with a mediocre record. I mean if we manage to make it in the playoffs and win a game, there's would be no reason for changing out of a 4-3. Prior to Gibbs being there, Washington was playing a 3-4 with Arrington on the team. It's just a thought... we need to change something around here if we miss the playoffs again. And if changing to a 3-4 to try to emulate the Pats, Steelers, Chargers, etc... I'm game. We wouldn't know unless we tried it... ala the Cowboys during the offseason. I'm pretty sure Smith could lose 10-15 pounds and be even better than he is now... that's pretty scary if you ask me.

Tally... I'm a big fan of both and have been watching them like a hawk since you've told me about them prior to the season. Both are studs... I've been very very impressed with Florida St's defense period. But of the two, AJ is more athletic of the two but Sims is one that is more physical. I think he is the type that we need on this team... that's just my opinion though. Either one would make me happy though...

I think Lavar has some juice left -- and would be an improvement to our linebacking core but Arrington' stock is a little low right now so he defintely will get cut next year -- and his large salary will go down a notch or 2. That is when I would take him. I would not trade Howard for him unless we got something else like a number 2

Yep. No doubt. Stats aren't everything but take a look at the defensive stats at the bottom of the page....

http://seminoles.collegesports.com/s...tiveStats.html

Note that D. Nicholson has produced with very limited playing time.

Just FYI. Have a good afternoon, papz.


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As far as I understand it, if we traded for Lavar, the Redskins are resposible for his bonus money, which is the VAST majority of his salary. I think he only makes the vets minimum as actual salary. Yup he is only making $540,000 as a base salary this year and next. All that money is in bonuses, of which the Redskins are responsible.

Arrington, LaVar
View Stats at Players Inc Site
Player Info
Draft Info

LB (#)
Year: 2000

Washington Redskins
Round: 1

Fairfax, VA
Position: 2

Salary History

2000 193000.00
2001 300000.00
2002 1120000.00
2003 450000.00
2004 535000.00
2005 540000.00
2006 545000.00
2007 2000000.00
2008 3500000.00
2009 5500000.00
2010 6000000.00
2011 7000000.00

We really wouldn't be in a bind until 2009, if we are not getting 5.5 mil worth of play out of him at that point. His bonus would have been paid already by Washington as it would accelerate onto their cap because of the trade. More than likely if they wait until the offseason and cut him it's less of a hit, but then they may miss a chance at Howard if that was the deal since he will be a FA as well. With that said, I agree we should also get a 2nd round pick, or at least a third, for Howard included if we were to do a trade with them. Howard's value is much higher than Lavar's right now.

I don't know about changing to 3-4 from 4-3. Not with Venturi at the helm. Venturi shouldn't be defensive coordinator. But I remember hearing during the offseason that the Saints brought in a coach under Venturi who has taken a lot of his responsibilities. I don't know if that is true. On another note the defense look good against Buffalo and has showed some spark in other games. My hope is that they are starting to regain the form displayed in the last four weeks of the 2004 season. YOu can't draw much from the Buffalo game because I think their offense is Doo Doo. Green Bay may give me a further indication, but the Atlanta game will tell the true tale. And I hope our defense is up to the task.

Going back to the 3-4.... I wouldn't mind seeing us switch to the 3-4, but we just simply don't have the personnel. Our linebackers aren't very good, so why would we want to put more of them on the field at one time? Even if we did pick up Arrington, we'd still only have one good linebacker. If you look at all those other good 3-4 teams, they all have good linebackers. Just a thought...

Arrington is a talent. If we pursue and land him, fine. We can use the help.

But we're 4-3.



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There's not a single DT on this team right now that could effectively play the nose.

Ah im not gunna get excited like we will make a move to get him..... so till it happens i have nothing to say.

This is really offseason talk here... with the Saints missing the playoffs and us overhauling the coaching staff. DT if we do decide to switch could and will be addressed through free agency and the NFL draft. We can only wish for those Dome Patrol days again.

Um, where did you read that about Stallworth? The only voidable year on his contract is 2007.

(Stallworth is signed through 2006 with a voidable option for 2007).
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tpsport...06.html#085580
Article:

..being that I follow the 'Skins since I lived in DC for so many years, I'll say that I like LaVar, he's got talent, but the production on the field does not reflect the talent level... he'll amaze you with a play here and there, but then he'll be out of position, overpursue, etc...

.. that said, yeah, I would love to see him in B&G with a DC not named Venturi :)