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leilung 04-24-2023 03:05 PM

SP on Broncos vs. Saints Analytics
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...ts/ar-AA1ae1BI

“The analytics department is something that is on a different level here,” Payton said during his pre-draft presser on Thursday. “I’m like that driver of a new car that still hasn’t figured out how to get the seat warmers on. It’s pretty impressive, and it’s new for me in a good way. I’m talking about the efficiency of the process. We weren’t as far ahead [in New Orleans] when we were looking at some of these players as to being able to pick up and access the information as quickly.”

So which one is it?
A) He's telling the truth.
B) He's sucking up to his new bosses.

I'm running with B until I see their draft. Their picks haven't really exactly wowed anyone in the past several years. :bng:

Boston Saint 04-24-2023 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 972945)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...ts/ar-AA1ae1BI

“The analytics department is something that is on a different level here,” Payton said during his pre-draft presser on Thursday. “I’m like that driver of a new car that still hasn’t figured out how to get the seat warmers on. It’s pretty impressive, and it’s new for me in a good way. I’m talking about the efficiency of the process. We weren’t as far ahead [in New Orleans] when we were looking at some of these players as to being able to pick up and access the information as quickly.”

So which one is it?
A) He's telling the truth.
B) He's sucking up to his new bosses.

I'm running with B until I see their draft. Their picks haven't really exactly wowed anyone in the past several years. :bng:

Maybe it’s code for “I don’t have as much pull in draft picks as I did with the Saints so no more project guys like Baptiste”.

BakoSaint 04-24-2023 04:03 PM

Re: SP on Broncos vs. Saints Analytics
 
Give Russell Wilson like $250 million when many say he is in decline. Draft Jerry Jeudy 7 spots ahead of Justin Jefferson. Pass on Josh Allen to take Bradley Chubb. Clearly their analytics are amazing.

Rugby Saint II 04-24-2023 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 972946)
Maybe it’s code for “I don’t have as much pull in draft picks as I did with the Saints so no more project guys like Baptiste”.

So, no more drafts with everyone saying WTF? I'm sure Jeff Ireland and Mickey Loomis consider this a slap in the face and a have issued a challenge for the scouting department to nail the draft this year.

WW_Who_Dat 04-24-2023 09:56 PM

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Guess we give it a couple of years and see which team, analytics guru and coach has the best record.

Can probably find a sports book that will have a line on that.

SmashMouth 04-24-2023 10:17 PM

Re: SP on Broncos vs. Saints Analytics
 
Does it feel like a slight dig at the Saints from SP?

Boston Saint 04-25-2023 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 972981)
Does it feel like a slight dig at the Saints from SP?

It’s more than slight IMO.

neugey 04-25-2023 08:42 AM

Re: SP on Broncos vs. Saints Analytics
 
I'm not bothered by it. Analytics are overrated. Let's "worry about our meat" and nail this draft!

WW_Who_Dat 04-25-2023 09:01 AM

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Does that leave Sean as not the smartest man in room 🥱

Boston Saint 04-25-2023 09:08 AM

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He could have said something like “ they approach things differently here”, or “ The draft evaluation process is not the same as they do it in New Orleans”. But he specifically phrased it as Denver is “ahead” of New Orleans. That’s certainly a shot at the organization.

AsylumGuido 04-25-2023 09:39 AM

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Once again a headline totally misstates the crux of the article. Nowhere in the article does Payton state (as the headline implies) that the "Broncos (are) 'Far Ahead' of Saints" in analytics. Here's the entire quote once again:

“The analytics department is something that is on a different level here,” Payton said during his pre-draft presser on Thursday. “I’m like that driver of a new car that still hasn’t figured out how to get the seat warmers on. It’s pretty impressive, and it’s new for me in a good way. I’m talking about the efficiency of the process. We weren’t as far ahead [in New Orleans] when we were looking at some of these players as to being able to pick up and access the information as quickly.

Where does Payton state the Broncos are "far ahead" of the Saints? What he is saying is that the Saints draft process, which he oversaw in New Orleans, was not as "far ahead" or "advanced" in analytics. That is not a diss against the Saints and what was his own process, but simple fact.

AsylumGuido 04-25-2023 10:22 AM

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The Meat Guy 04-25-2023 10:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by neugey (Post 972984)
I'm not bothered by it. Analytics are overrated. Let's "worry about our meat" and nail this draft!

Quote:

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 972985)
Does that leave Sean as not the smartest man in room 🥱

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 972986)
He could have said something like “ they approach things differently here”, or “ The draft evaluation process is not the same as they do it in New Orleans”. But he specifically phrased it as Denver is “ahead” of New Orleans. That’s certainly a shot at the organization.

SP can be a meathead... trust me. I used to bust his chops at the meat counter. He needs to watch his meat and STFU.

K Major 04-25-2023 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Guy (Post 972995)
SP can be a meathead... trust me. I used to bust his chops at the meat counter. He needs to watch his meat and STFU.

:bng:

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K Major 04-25-2023 12:52 PM

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I agree with The Meat Guy. Who cares.

Sean Payton is the Head Coach for Denver now.

AsylumGuido 04-25-2023 01:01 PM

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I just don't get why people out there (twitter world, etc.) even care about some trivial statement like this. It's as though people search for reasons to be butthurt these days.

:D

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Boston Saint 04-25-2023 02:40 PM

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Well, the “Who cares” is unknown at this point. Again, I’m not Making a big deal about it, but it is out there on social media now. You’ve got a Super Bowl winning, potential Hall of Fame coach saying that his new team is ahead of his old team in some aspect. That could have an impact on things or not. But either way, it was a shot that did not need to be fired. He could have phrased things otherwise should he have chosen to. He’s not a dummy, it was deliberate.

Edit…I can remember players making such comments. Not SB winning coaches.

AsylumGuido 04-25-2023 02:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 973006)
Well, the “Who cares” is unknown at this point. Again, I’m not Making a big deal about it, but it is out there on social media now. You’ve got a Super Bowl winning, potential Hall of Fame coach saying that his new team is ahead of his old team in some aspect. That could have an impact on things or not. But either way, it was a shot that did not need to be fired. He could have phrased things otherwise should he have chosen to. He’s not a dummy, it was deliberate.

Sorry, Boston, but I still do not see where Payton said that the Broncos were "ahead" of the Saints. What he said exactly was, "We weren’t as far ahead [in New Orleans] when we were looking at some of these players as to being able to pick up and access the information as quickly." That clearly means that he felt his draft process with the Saints was not as far ahead or advanced technologically as they could have been. I really don't see that as any slight against the Saints. It was his own process. If anything it can only be deemed a shot at himself. But I even doubt that. It was a simple statement of fact. Nothing derogatory as far as I can see. If he saw the draft process was lacking in any manner then he is simply pointing out where he himself was lacking in his own draft process design.

Yes it's out there on social media and the only ones that are making any of it, as I pointed out, are those out there that are always looking for something to get butthurt about. The click baiters for one. They really need to chill. :D

AsylumGuido 04-25-2023 03:33 PM

Re: SP on Broncos vs. Saints Analytics
 
Who knows? Payton may have had the Saints staff using excel spreadsheets or some sort to store player info while some other teams are using SQL databases with more easily defined query capabilities. It sounded like something along those lines when he was quoted as saying "we weren't as far ahead" when it came to "being able to pick up and access the information as quickly."

Who says old dogs can't learn new tricks? :D It was probably the way he had run things for years and never saw the need to upgrade the process.

Rugby Saint II 04-26-2023 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 973010)
Who knows? Payton may have had the Saints staff using excel spreadsheets or some sort to store player info while some other teams are using SQL databases with more easily defined query capabilities. It sounded like something along those lines when he was quoted as saying "we weren't as far ahead" when it came to "being able to pick up and access the information as quickly."

Who says old dogs can't learn new tricks? :D It was probably the way he had run things for years and never saw the need to upgrade the process.

The Broncos may have a more up to date information processing system than the Saints but history shows that we draft better than they do. I like Sean Payton but he's their head coach now. Not ours. He may not have the eye for talent that we think he does. Maybe the Saints analytics department kicks ass and we draft better without Payton's mad scientist approach.

AsylumGuido 04-26-2023 12:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 973030)
The Broncos may have a more up to date information processing system than the Saints but history shows that we draft better than they do. I like Sean Payton but he's their head coach now. Not ours. He may not have the eye for talent that we think he does. Maybe the Saints analytics department kicks ass and we draft better without Payton's mad scientist approach.

Yup. The Broncos previous coach, Nathaniel Hackett, is basically a generation younger than Payton. It's not surprising he would be using more up-to-date information retrieval methods.

SmashMouth 04-28-2023 11:43 AM

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So when was this again?




The Meat Guy 04-28-2023 11:58 AM

Re: SP on Broncos vs. Saints Analytics
 
WTF is SP doing there.... instead of watching his meat, he's watching his bong.... with his son Connor, no less? :confused:

K Major 04-28-2023 12:00 PM

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AsylumGuido 04-28-2023 12:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Guy (Post 973203)
WTF is SP doing there.... instead of watching his meat, he's watching his bong.... with his son Connor, no less? :confused:

Recreational marijuana is legal in Colorado. Wouldn't mind a hit there myself. :D

SmashMouth 04-28-2023 12:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 973204)

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 973205)
Recreational marijuana is legal in Colorado. Wouldn't mind a hit there myself. :D

This was a few years evidently :bugeyes: ... drill down into the twatter feed.

I wonder who SP pissed off for this to be released now?

Boston Saint 04-28-2023 12:52 PM

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This explains the Baptiste pick.

AsylumGuido 04-28-2023 03:41 PM

Re: SP on Broncos vs. Saints Analytics
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 973206)
This was a few years evidently :bugeyes: ... drill down into the twatter feed.

I wonder who SP pissed off for this to be released now?

LOL! Someone was making a joke referring to the 2018 draft with Davenport.

lee909 04-28-2023 05:33 PM

Re: SP on Broncos vs. Saints Analytics
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Guy (Post 973203)
WTF is SP doing there.... instead of watching his meat, he's watching his bong.... with his son Connor, no less? :confused:

Minutes before he draft Stanley Jean Baptiste

BakoSaint 04-28-2023 10:52 PM

Re: SP on Broncos vs. Saints Analytics
 
Apparently a part of the Broncos analytics in this draft was to take your draft position, multiply by 2, add 1, and if the result is an odd number, you should trade up.

Boston Saint 04-28-2023 11:21 PM

Re: SP on Broncos vs. Saints Analytics
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 973346)
Apparently a part of the Broncos analytics in this draft was to take your draft position, multiply by 2, add 1, and if the result is an odd number, you should trade up.

Dats some deep analytics

SmashMouth 06-09-2023 09:19 AM

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vpheughan 06-09-2023 12:28 PM

Re: SP on Broncos vs. Saints Analytics
 
Nothing more than a variation of "Blame all the mistakes on the last "Guy to quit" scenario." Except in this case the first "Coach to quit" got in the first shot! He has to "establish" rapport with the "Fan Base" after all! Guess he didn't learn anything about trying to Win It All with a "Fading QB" or perhaps he forgot that the Bronco QB is no longer named "Drew" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Rugby Saint II 06-09-2023 01:02 PM

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I knew that Sean Payton was way cool. So, I'm not surprised. I've always been a social smoker. Of course, mine is for medicinal purposes. :beatnik:

SmashMouth 08-11-2023 11:52 AM

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