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Mr.Riaton 05-02-2023 08:36 AM
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Not to mention Washington had a RAS of 9.88.
As far as 7 TE being taken before him…that’s not uncommon for great players to slip though the cracks. There were four RB taken before Kamara until he got drafted in the third round…I guess teams thought he was a project as well…

papz 05-02-2023 08:41 AM
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Is there evidence right now that he couldn't produce on day one? Being how strong of a blocker he is, that's a useful trait we could have used immediately. His size alone makes him a red zone threat. Just because he was the 7th TE drafted, that doesn't mean he can't make an impact right away. Rashid Shaheed went undrafted and make an impact last season. 32 teams passed on him. Talent, opportunity, and will power have a lot to with that.

That's a very flawed argument.

AsylumGuido 05-02-2023 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 973666)
Reach is generally a negative term, but it doesn't always need to be. In the Saints case, a few guys were taken earlier than expected per published scouting reports and draft projections. With the Saints having very specific area's that needed to be addressed, some slight reaches were expected. This always going to be an issue when a team has to draft for need instead of best player available, which is where the Saints are at right now.
I get what you are saying to a degree, but weren't there players of the same position that would have been available later at the Saints previous slot before trading up? It just appears to me that they had the players they moved up to get ranked higher on their board that what they felt would be remaining if they sat still. I believe while need was absolutely a factor it was the desire for those specific players that drove the trade ups.

One thing I hear repeatedly every year around draft time is that every team's board will be dramatically different outside of the first ten to fifteen players. What appears to be a reach (negative version) by one team's standard may be a steal as seen from other team's reckonings.

AsylumGuido 05-02-2023 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by papz (Post 973706)
Is there evidence right now that he couldn't produce on day one? Being how strong of a blocker he is, that's a useful trait we could have used immediately. His size alone makes him a red zone threat. Just because he was the 7th TE drafted, that doesn't mean he can't make an impact right away. Rashid Shaheed went undrafted and make an impact last season. 32 teams passed on him. Talent, opportunity, and will power have a lot to with that.

That's a very flawed argument.
It comes down to personal preference. The Saints and the other 30 teams that passed on him know why they passed on him. I get that this is SEC country and there would be a bias toward SEC players in this fanbase.

I just don't see a player like Washington being a fit in our offense. We don't run much 12 personnel. If anything outside of 11 personnel it is 21 with the FB leading the way.

AsylumGuido 05-02-2023 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 973705)
Not to mention Washington had a RAS of 9.88.
As far as 7 TE being taken before him…that’s not uncommon for great players to slip though the cracks. There were four RB taken before Kamara until he got drafted in the third round…I guess teams thought he was a project as well…
I guess this is why I've never gotten into the whole pre-draft hype. We as fans have no idea what the teams have in mind for their needs and direction. It's quite possible that the Saints, and several other teams, never saw Washington as a fit at all and was he never even a consideration. It is impossible as a fan that has fallen for draft prospects to come away from any draft without disappointments. But, fortunately, we do not make the final decisions. :D

To be honest, I had never heard of Washington until after the draft. I'm not a college fan and didn't really notice him in the championship game that I did watch. That's the only Georgia game I saw all season. I don't remember hearing anything about him pre-draft when the top TE prospects were discussed some.

Mr.Riaton 05-02-2023 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 973709)
I guess this is why I've never gotten into the whole pre-draft hype. We as fans have no idea what the teams have in mind for their needs and direction. It's quite possible that the Saints, and several other teams, never saw Washington as a fit at all and was he never even a consideration. It is impossible as a fan that has fallen for draft prospects to come away from any draft without disappointments. But, fortunately, we do not make the final decisions. :D

To be honest, I had never heard of Washington until after the draft. I'm not a college fan and didn't really notice him in the championship game that I did watch. That's the only Georgia game I saw all season. I don't remember hearing anything about him pre-draft when the top TE prospects were discussed some.
I understand that we as fans have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes, but we have visions and desires of what we’d like to see and ways we’d like to improve our team as fans. We want to enjoy a good fun discussion about it without a Debbie downer coming let us know that we know nothing. Yes we might be a little disappointed if the outcome doesn’t go our way, but we get that’s how it is. This part of football is as fun for me as the actual season.

So out of curiosity….if you dont follow college or pre draft hype, then why inject your opinions with people on this forum that do? Obviously it’s an open discussion for all but it doesn’t make sense to object to peoples opinions when you have little knowledge or desire on the subject.

K Major 05-02-2023 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 973717)
So out of curiosity….if you dont follow college or pre draft hype, then why inject your opinions with people on this forum that do? Obviously it’s an open discussion for all but it doesn’t make sense to object to peoples opinions when you have little knowledge or desire on the subject.
This right here ^^^^.

Repeated patterns & consistent behavior :rolleyes:.

AsylumGuido 05-02-2023 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 973717)
I understand that we as fans have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes, but we have visions and desires of what we’d like to see and ways we’d like to improve our team as fans. We want to enjoy a good fun discussion about it without a Debbie downer coming let us know that we know nothing. Yes we might be a little disappointed if the outcome doesn’t go our way, but we get that’s how it is. This part of football is as fun for me as the actual season.

So out of curiosity….if you dont follow college or pre draft hype, then why inject your opinions with people on this forum that do? Obviously it’s an open discussion for all but it doesn’t make sense to object to peoples opinions when you have little knowledge or desire on the subject.
Oh, I have plenty of desire and quite a bit of knowledge, it's just that the knowledge comes after the fact. I'm giving my opinions from a Saints aspect. I look at all the players we drafted to learn as much as I can about them and discuss them with some insight. I also hear about players that others wanted to be drafted and look into them, many for the first time, in depth. In many cases I can see why they might have been a fit and can understand the point. But in others, like Darnell Washington, after doing some research, I couldn't see what made him more desirable than any of the players we took prior to his going off the board. I couldn't see the fit so I asked for input on what others saw in him that they felt was so compelling that it basically downgraded our draft in their minds. I don't see that as being a Debbie Downer at all. Quite the contrary, one could say that those wishing we would have taken some player other than the ones we did were the ones being Debbie Downers. :D

Regardless, it's all opinion and open discussion. I just haven't been convinced that my opinion that the player wasn't a good fit for the Saints was wrong. Apparently the Saints, and 30 other teams, had similar opinions in as far as his value at any point before he was finally selected toward the end of the third round. Who knows, maybe he'll blossom in the NFL and be more than the self-described "sixth offensive lineman."

So, out of curiosity, Riaton, where do you think we should have selected Mr. Washington had we had interest as a team? #29? #40? #71? Keep in mind he went #93, I believe.

Mr.Riaton 05-02-2023 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 973722)
Oh, I have plenty of desire and quite a bit of knowledge, it's just that the knowledge comes after the fact. I'm giving my opinions from a Saints aspect. I look at all the players we drafted to learn as much as I can about them and discuss them with some insight. I also hear about players that others wanted to be drafted and look into them, many for the first time, in depth. In many cases I can see why they might have been a fit and can understand the point. But in others, like Darnell Washington, after doing some research, I couldn't see what made him more desirable than any of the players we took prior to his going off the board. I couldn't see the fit so I asked for input on what others saw in him that they felt was so compelling that it basically downgraded our draft in their minds. I don't see that as being a Debbie Downer at all. Quite the contrary, one could say that those wishing we would have taken some player other than the ones we did were the ones being Debbie Downers. :D

Regardless, it's all opinion and open discussion. I just haven't been convinced that my opinion that the player wasn't a good fit for the Saints was wrong. Apparently the Saints, and 30 other teams, had similar opinions in as far as his value at any point before he was finally selected toward the end of the third round. Who knows, maybe he'll blossom in the NFL and be more than the self-described "sixth offensive lineman."

So, out of curiosity, Riaton, where do you think we should have selected Mr. Washington had we had interest as a team? #29? #40? #71? Keep in mind he went #93, I believe.
Nah, I was right in my assessment of what a Debbie downer is.

Where I think we should’ve drafted him has no relevance to me on my opinion of Washington. I honestly don’t care where he was drafted nor do I care where we should’ve or would’ve. I’m not even mad that we didn’t draft him, I like others here believe he has potential to be a good player and would’ve liked to see him in the black and gold wherever he would’ve been drafted.

At any rate I’m not here to debate anything with you, as I know it’s a waste of my time, just curious about your contradicting behavior, that is all

AsylumGuido 05-02-2023 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 973737)
Nah, I was right in my assessment of what a Debbie downer is.

Where I think we should’ve drafted him has no relevance to me on my opinion of Washington. I honestly don’t care where he was drafted nor do I care where we should’ve or would’ve. I’m not even mad that we didn’t draft him, I like others here believe he has potential to be a good player and would’ve liked to see him in the black and gold wherever he would’ve been drafted.

At any rate I’m not here to debate anything with you, as I know it’s a waste of my time, just curious about your contradicting behavior, that is all
Okay. Thanks. Like I said, I just couldn't see anything about him from what I saw or read the last couple of days that made him seem special in any way as compared to the top TE's. I was simply wondering what I was missing. It appears I wasn't missing anything, as you explained it is just believed by some here that he has the potential to be a good player. I wasn't trying to be contrary, I was honestly trying to understand the appeal. I guess the Saints just weren't interested in a project at TE at this time. Who knows, he may someday develop into a Gronk type player.

AsylumGuido 05-07-2023 09:09 AM
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Great interview here with Ireland where he breaks down all of the drafted players and give some of their thinking.

iceshack149 05-07-2023 11:40 AM
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Highlites from the article above...
Regarding Bresee:
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Certainly, yeah. Look, we would say that he could play really across the board, and that's how they played him at Clemson. He played a four technique, he played a five technique, he played three (technique), he played nose. And I think he probably best fits as a three technique, but that's going to be up to our coaches. Our coaches may play him at five or four or even the nose, and some sub-down stuff or into one technique. That's the beauty of Bryan Bresee is that he's got a ton of versatility. His athleticism can complement any position along the defensive line. He could play end if you wanted him to. He's got a really high skill set to be a sub-down defender, especially at his size. And we feel like that's important.
Regarding Foskey:
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Well, the fact that he's over 6-5, and he's almost 275 pounds and he runs around a sub-4.64 or 4.65 40, yes. He's got really long arms. He's super smart. He's a team captain, and he's got production. He fits what we do and fits what we like. And I think he's going to be a really, really good player. I think his upside is going to be really good. I think he can rush the passer, he can play with his hands, he's really strong. He can play the run, he gets out of trouble really well, which is very important for defensive ends. He's got good instincts. He plays with a tremendous effort and a motor to chase out of the stack. So there's just a lot of things to like about Isaiah Foskey. No player is ever just immediately ready for the National Football League. He's as close to being ready as anybody because of just his character and his entire makeup and the way he's built, where he played, how he's been coached. I think he comes in and he gives us a lot of snaps this year.
Regarding Kendre Miller:
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...we just felt like, man, this is too good to be true. We felt like he was going to slip and fall to around where we could take him (in the third round). It's crazy, you always trust your own feeling, you trust what you see. We knew he wasn't being mocked very high and then we kept watching him and we kept watching him. I'm like, fellas, trust your eyes, you're seeing it right. And you're crazy, you never second-guess yourself. But when you draft a player and immediately you get 26 text messages from colleagues in the league, some of them saying, "You son of a gun" or "He was the next guy (on our board). He was our third-best running back." He was the guy no one was talking about. He was kind of, maybe, a hidden secret (to the public). We didn't feel like that. No, we've always liked him. He wasn't a late bloomer for us. This was a guy we were on pretty early and loved the tape, and I think he's got a huge upside.
Regarding Saldiveri:
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I love the competitive spirit that he has, like: Hey man, what do I have to be worried about? He had great confidence about him. And he's smart. He's tough. He's super competitive, extremely versatile. He's got flexibility, in terms of just his body flexibility and flexibility in terms of the positions that he was able to play. He can play guard, center and tackle. We like having those kind of guys that have big upsides. Don't let Old Dominion fool you. He comes from a good program, well-developed. So we're excited to have Nick and excited to see what he can do this first year.
Regarding Haener:
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He does kind of remind you or there's some similarities to No. 9 (Drew Brees). He's undersized, the way he creates windows and processing speed, quick release, the accuracy. I mean there's only going to be one of those guys forever. You can't really compare him, and I'm always careful to use the comparison because he doesn't compare to Drew, he's the only one. But there are some similarities that make you feel like, OK, maybe he can play similarly to that person. And you thought, OK, well you got another short quarterback in the league, you got Bryce Young. He just got picked first in the draft. What if Jake's in that offense (at Alabama)? I just think, hypothetically, Jake would have success if he's at Alabama. So we tossed a lot of these things around, like the idea of having a young developmental quarterback learn a new system with Derek (Carr) and Jameis (Winston). So that's just a smart business move, in our opinion.
Regarding Howden:
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He was a guy that had tremendous production. He didn't have just this outrageous number of interceptions, but he had a really high number of batted balls, PBUs (pass break-ups) and deflected passes — just kind of those ball-hawking plays — throughout his career. And I loved his height, weight, speed. He's a great kid. All the coaches there really liked him. He's athletic enough to play any of the positions (in the secondary) and tough enough and versatile enough to play any of those positions back there, strong or free (safety). And I can see him even kind of line up as a big nickel or nickel or dime.
Regarding Perry:
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Like a lot of the rest of the guys, we liked his height, weight, speed, and that kind of jumps off the tape when you watch him. He is 6-3 and he's got these 33- to 34-inch-long arms, so he plays above the rim. He's got tremendous hands. He's got to clean up his consistency, catching the ball. But he does not have a catching problem. He just had a few concentration drops.
https://www.nola.com/sports/jeff-ire...ea80db09a.html

A lot of good quotes that have me eating the cheese.

Mods--If I over quoted the source then please edit my post. :bng:

AsylumGuido 05-07-2023 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 973902)
Highlites from the article above...
Regarding Bresee:Regarding Foskey:Regarding Kendre Miller:Regarding Saldiveri:Regarding Haener: Regarding Howden: Regarding Perry: https://www.nola.com/sports/jeff-ire...ea80db09a.html

A lot of good quotes that has me eating the cheese.

Mods--If I over quoted the source then please edit my post. :bng:
Yet some moron thinks the draft grade was an "F". :dunce: :roflmao:

Mr.Riaton 05-07-2023 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 973742)
Okay. Thanks. Like I said, I just couldn't see anything about him from what I saw or read the last couple of days that made him seem special in any way as compared to the top TE's. I was simply wondering what I was missing. It appears I wasn't missing anything, as you explained it is just believed by some here that he has the potential to be a good player. I wasn't trying to be contrary, I was honestly trying to understand the appeal. I guess the Saints just weren't interested in a project at TE at this time. Who knows, he may someday develop into a Gronk type player.
You’re welcome! I always try to help! I understand you can’t see anything about him special and I believe you were honestly trying to understand the appeal, but sometimes some people have trouble seeing other perspectives…it happens. It doesn’t make one any more right than the other and vice versa. I guess we’ll see in a few years if the Steelers choice paid off. Like I said, I still would’ve like to see him in a Saints uniform as I feel he has exciting potential

Boston Saint 05-07-2023 07:47 PM
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D cause we didn’t get one of the stud TEs. Hope they prove me wrong!

AsylumGuido 05-08-2023 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 973914)
D cause we didn’t get one of the stud TEs. Hope they prove me wrong!
Wow! Pretty harsh grade. The lowest grade of anyone in the poll not named mapcow!

Where did you place our needs? Did you have TE before DT and DE?

I'm assuming the Saints didn't as much need at TE. At least not as much need as at DT and DE. The top three "stud" TE's were all off the board before pick #40. We're sitting at five TE's on the roster currently and still have four slots on the 90 man roster available to add another if need be.

I agree, it would have been a nice addition with one of the top three or four TE's, but I just saw the departures on the defensive line being more important to address with the picks we had available.

AsylumGuido 05-08-2023 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 973913)
You’re welcome! I always try to help! I understand you can’t see anything about him special and I believe you were honestly trying to understand the appeal, but sometimes some people have trouble seeing other perspectives…it happens. It doesn’t make one any more right than the other and vice versa. I guess we’ll see in a few years if the Steelers choice paid off. Like I said, I still would’ve like to see him in a Saints uniform as I feel he has exciting potential
I suppose the Steelers had less holes to fill than the Saints at other key positions and had the room for a TE project like Washington.

Boston Saint 05-08-2023 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 973915)
Wow! Pretty harsh grade. The lowest grade of anyone in the poll not named mapcow!

Where did you place our needs? Did you have TE before DT and DE?

I'm assuming the Saints didn't as much need at TE. At least not as much need as at DT and DE. The top three "stud" TE's were all off the board before pick #40. We're sitting at five TE's on the roster currently and still have four slots on the 90 man roster available to add another if need be.

I agree, it would have been a nice addition with one of the top three or four TE's, but I just saw the departures on the defensive line being more important to address with the picks we had available.
It’s mostly me setting the bar low so I won’t be as disappointed if they suck. I like the Breese pick. Other than that nothing got me excited.

AsylumGuido 05-08-2023 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 973917)
It’s mostly me setting the bar low so I won’t be as disappointed if they suck. I like the Breese pick. Other than that nothing got me excited.
So your downgrade isn't so much about who they picked, but more so about who they didn't pick.

I'm glad you liked Bresee, but since the top three TE's went before our second pick, the only way we could have got one of them would have been to not select Bresee. Ireland said he got messaged by several other teams right after the Saints selected Bresee saying they were planning on taking him if the Saints hadn't.

But, in the scheme of things, all draft grading is meaningless. There's no way to judge until several years down the road. Your approach, while unique, is no less valid than any other.

Mr.Riaton 05-08-2023 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 973916)
I suppose the Steelers had less holes to fill than the Saints at other key positions and had the room for a TE project like Washington.
Possibly. Or possibly they viewed him as more than just a project and saw potential. It’s like you say…those guys have way more insight and knowledge than we do. Sometimes those deemed ‘projects’ turn out to be superstars in their first season. Happens all the time.
As I’ve said before, I still would’ve liked to give him a chance with us. I think he would’ve paired nicely with Juwan Johnson if it panned out.

papz 05-08-2023 09:37 AM
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But, in the scheme of things, all draft grading is meaningless. There's no way to judge until several years down the road. Your approach, while unique, is no less valid than any other.
Bingo.


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Yet some moron thinks the draft grade was an "F".
https://media.tenor.com/UJCc00gUQ2gA...rs-annoyed.gif

K Major 05-08-2023 10:53 AM
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Lol

AsylumGuido 05-08-2023 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 973919)
Possibly. Or possibly they viewed him as more than just a project and saw potential. It’s like you say…those guys have way more insight and knowledge than we do. Sometimes those deemed ‘projects’ turn out to be superstars in their first season. Happens all the time.
As I’ve said before, I still would’ve liked to give him a chance with us. I think he would’ve paired nicely with Juwan Johnson if it panned out.
If we hadn't been in such need for DT, DE, RB, and OL we possibly could have taken a flyer. But don't count out Taysom and Krull at TE to go with Juwan. Taysom could turn out to be one of the very best TE's in the league with the QB experiment now completely in the rearview mirror. I can't wait to see him get his 30+ snaps a game and see his impact. I believe we'll forget there ever were TE prospects out here in the draft.

:bng:

AsylumGuido 05-08-2023 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by papz (Post 973920)
Oops. I'm sorry if you were the one that gave it an F, papz.

:D

Boston Saint 05-08-2023 01:48 PM
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It’s obviously a combination of things. I don’t dislike the players so much as positions; such as taking a QB in round 4. Going into this year we have depth at the QB spot. I feel a 4th rounder in LB or TE or other position wouldnhave been a wiser choice. Sort of the same thing about Saldiveri from Old Dominion. He may be a stud. But isn’t Penning and most of the Oline starting off healthy? So we got deeper at O line, but how deep are we at LB and TE? Not very since we lost Ellis and Trautman. We draft a Foskey with the second round pick. So we get depth behind Jordan and Turner but roll with only Hill, Johnson and Krull (Love that name!)? As pointed out, time will tell.

AsylumGuido 05-08-2023 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 973932)
It’s obviously a combination of things. I don’t dislike the players so much as positions; such as taking a QB in round 4. Going into this year we have depth at the QB spot. I feel a 4th rounder in LB or TE or other position wouldnhave been a wiser choice. Sort of the same thing about Saldiveri from Old Dominion. He may be a stud. But isn’t Penning and most of the Oline starting off healthy? So we got deeper at O line, but how deep are we at LB and TE? Not very since we lost Ellis and Trautman. We draft a Foskey with the second round pick. So we get depth behind Jordan and Turner but roll with only Hill, Johnson and Krull (Love that name!)? As pointed out, time will tell.
Would you be more accepting of the positional decisions in the draft if those other positions are addressed via veteran free agency? I hope some of the four remaining open slots eases your concerns.

Right now we have a pretty full contingent of 10 LB's to compete for the limited final few spots. They include D'Marco Jackson, a 2022 draftee that missed all of last season, getting to compete for the first time.

WLB20Werner, Pete 21/250Dowell, Andrew SF1943Connelly, Ryan SF2340Anderson, Nick CF23  
MLB56DAVIS, DEMARIO U/NYJ52Jackson, D'Marco 22/545Sewell, Nephi CF22    
SLB53Baun, Zack 20/358Summers, Ty P/Jax58Orji, Anfernee CF23    

I suppose we could pick up someone like Cameron Brate to add to the five TE's we already have on board right now.

TE83Johnson, Juwan CF207HILL, TAYSOM W/GB87Krull, Lucas CF2286Forristall, Miller SF2385Wilson, Joel CF23

The cupboard isn't quite bare. I suppose that's why they were so willing to move Trautman when they did. But, like you said, time will tell. As for myself, my glass is overflowing in optimism as per usual.

:D

AsylumGuido 05-08-2023 02:31 PM
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A couple of notes, last season we carried six LB's on our 53 man roster for most of the season. Same thing in 2021. Given Allen runs the 4-2 front probably 80%, or more, of the snaps we'll probably see no more than that number again this season at LB.

As for TE, we carried four TE's last season including Taysom who still had QB duties on his platter, so we basically had three fulltime TE's. In 2021 we only had three TE's on the 53 man roster (Cook, Josh Hill, and Trautman) so that's a possibility again this year (Juwan, Taysom, Krull/free agent addition).

BakoSaint 05-08-2023 03:14 PM
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I think the draft was a B. We addressed positions of need. I don't love the injury risk on the first pick but it is probably priced in to where he was drafted.

I think the QB pick was a mistake because his size probably limits his upside and I think we will continue to be overloaded at the QB position for years to come because our cap management dictates restructuring contracts annually to avoid the cap hit associated with parting ways, so I expect Carr, Winston, and Hill will all be on the Saints roster in 2026 if Loomis is still the GM. But this dumb move only costs us a 4th next year.

I am glad we did not draft a TE or RB in the 1st or early 2nd round. I don't think those are highly valuable positions. Both can be handled in the mid rounds. TE is so unpredictable. RB is so replaceable and really depends more on oline as long as you have a young mid round guy to run through the hole without needing extra ben gay to cross the line of scrimmage.

Dealing Troutman was addition by subtraction.

AsylumGuido 05-08-2023 03:30 PM
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One extended note on Haener, as well. Winston is no doubt gone after this season, if not earlier via in season trade. Jake Luton, the only other true QB on the roster besides Carr, was quickly released when Haener was drafted. I believe they believe that they can develop Haener into a viable backup. They very well could have him on the cheap for four years backing up Carr. If that's the case then Haener could be seen as a steal in the 4th round. His intangibles really jump off the page. His ability to read defenses, move through progressions, quickly identify passing lanes, and accuracy are all things I have seen touted since we picked him up. He also had the second highest score on the S2 test at 96% with only Bryce Young scoring higher with a 98%. Comparisons to Drew Brees, while extremely lofty, must be noted, as well.

AsylumGuido 05-08-2023 04:07 PM
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A note on Saldiveri. Both Trevor Penning and Cesar Ruiz are coming off season ending injuries. Both players just gained freedom from their walking boots this week. Fellow offensive linemen McCoy, Peat, and Ramczyk all missed time due to injuries last season. Both guards, Peat and Ruiz, will be entering the last year of their contracts this season. Saldiveri, with the ability to play all five positions, gives much needed depth and the potential to take over for either of the starting guards.

AsylumGuido 08-27-2023 08:30 AM
Re: Grade our draft
 
Well, this kind of gives credence to a high draft grade so far. No telling for another couple of years, though, for sure.

SmashMouth 08-27-2023 10:07 AM
Re: Grade our draft
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 978056)
Well, this kind of gives credence to a high draft grade so far. No telling for another couple of years, though, for sure.

https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...68200338616559
It had the feeling it might happen. The roster moves prior to the draft, especially the DL, gave us an indication.

Crusader 08-27-2023 10:31 AM
Re: Grade our draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 978056)
Well, this kind of gives credence to a high draft grade so far. No telling for another couple of years, though, for sure.

https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...68200338616559
That would mean quite the youth movement on the team. That is greatly needed.

Rugby Saint II 08-27-2023 12:57 PM
Re: Grade our draft
 
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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 978069)
That would mean quite the youth movement on the team. That is greatly needed.
2017 helped our control our cap costs tremendously. If we can keep the players we drafted this year then we have a shot at getting our cap under control.


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