Ain't Skeered

Rugby Saint II · 07-25-2023, 11:21 AM

Same coach. Same OC. But I still ain't skeered! All we need to do is stay healthy!

Boston Saint · 07-25-2023, 11:30 AM

We beat last year’s NFC champs. We gave the NFC runner up niners all they could handle. We had the Bengals on the ropes.

Health is they Key like you say Rugs. As an example Lattimore coming back last year was huge! The Defense is a total different beast with him out there. Seeing as how he finished the year healthy, there’s no reason to think he’s not ready to go!

Rugby Saint II · 07-25-2023, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

We beat last year’s NFC champs. We gave the NFC runner up niners all they could handle. We had the Bengals on the ropes.

Health is they Key like you say Rugs. As an example Lattimore coming back last year was huge! The Defense is a total different beast with him out there. Seeing as how he finished the year healthy, there’s no reason to think he’s not ready to go!

There are an awful lot of reasons to feel good about this season, and Derek Carr is the biggest reason for optimism! Well, that and AK, Thomas, JJ, Shaheed, DD, Cam,....and the list goes on and on, because we finally have strong starters and apparently, we have quality depth too.

Oh yeah, I'm sooo stoked that I haven't slept in days. But that's OK I'm too excited to sleep! I'll sleep when we need to buy a new trophy case.

BakoSaint · 07-27-2023, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

We beat last year’s NFC champs. We gave the NFC runner up niners all they could handle. We had the Bengals on the ropes.

Health is they Key like you say Rugs. As an example Lattimore coming back last year was huge! The Defense is a total different beast with him out there. Seeing as how he finished the year healthy, there’s no reason to think he’s not ready to go!

We beat the Eagles with their starting QB out. The 49ers shut us out 13-0, that is not giving them all they could handle, they went up 3-0 early, led 10-0 at the half, made it 13-0 early in the 3rd quarter, and didn't pile on more points because they didn't need to, this was our worst loss of the season and we were dominated. The game was very similar to LSU's performance in the 2012 National Championship against Alabama, minus a 4th quarter piling on TD. We did hold our own against the Bengals but the Bengals were not a good team in the 1st half of the season. The Bengals were 2-3 when we played them and were a 4-4 team in the first half of the season. They went undefeated in the second half but were just not great when we played them, and they still beat us. A reasonable thing to conclude about our 2022 season is not that we gave a bunch of great teams tough games, its that we were able to pick off a lot of close wins against teams playing backup and rookie type QBs. If I remember right, we did not beat any team in 2022 who was using the same QB who was their starter in 2021 and remained their starter at the end of 2022, we beat all unstable/new/changing QB situation teams, except we could not beat the Panthers.

Boston Saint · 07-27-2023, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

We beat the Eagles with their starting QB out. The 49ers shut us out 13-0, that is not giving them all they could handle, they went up 3-0 early, led 10-0 at the half, made it 13-0 early in the 3rd quarter, and didn't pile on more points because they didn't need to, this was our worst loss of the season and we were dominated. The game was very similar to LSU's performance in the 2012 National Championship against Alabama, minus a 4th quarter piling on TD. We did hold our own against the Bengals but the Bengals were not a good team in the 1st half of the season. The Bengals were 2-3 when we played them and were a 4-4 team in the first half of the season. They went undefeated in the second half but were just not great when we played them, and they still beat us. A reasonable thing to conclude about our 2022 season is not that we gave a bunch of great teams tough games, its that we were able to pick off a lot of close wins against teams playing backup and rookie type QBs. If I remember right, we did not beat any team in 2022 who was using the same QB who was their starter in 2021 and remained their starter at the end of 2022, we beat all unstable/new/changing QB situation teams, except we could not beat the Panthers.

So injuries are an excuse for Philly but not us? Ok.
If you watched the niners game, yes we did give the Niners all they can handle. We played them closer than any other team during their seven (I believe) game win stretch. It took a bad fumble by us and bull**** ref calls to beat us.
I’m not going to bother refuting you point by point because it’s not going to change anything. You look at things with a clearly negative view on whatever Mickey Loomis on the side to do. It’s the complete opposite of Guido, who looks at it with a completely positive viewpoint. I’d like to stay in the middle of myself because I realize there’s things they’ve done well and there’s things they haven’t done well.

BakoSaint · 07-27-2023, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So injuries are an excuse for Philly but not us? Ok.

It's hard to say what's an excuse, a reason, or an explanation. When I say excuse, I mean we are excusing it in order to justify a better record next year on the basis that it won't happen again, and therefore we can deduct its effects. I think that is BS. If Eagles fans are predicting a 16+ win season and claiming Jalen Hurts missing 2 games last year was a fluke and really they were essentially a 16-1 team last year then I disagree and consider that a lame excuse.

Did the Eagles go 14-3 not 16-1 last year because Jalen Hurts missed 2 games? Yes. Can that be their excuse? I guess. Will they go 16-1 next year? Probably not. Why not? Probably Jalen Hurts will miss a few games next year too, because he runs a lot and got injured the previous year and its kind of predictable. If not, someone else will get hurt among their stars, probably.

Did the Saints go 7-10 not 10-7 last year because of many injuries to many aging and injury prone players on one of the oldest rosters in the NFL filled with players who might be cut on other teams whose salary cap management strategy allows them to absorb the cap hits of cutting injury prone players? Yes. Can that be the Saints excuse? I guess. Will they go 10-7 or better next year? Probably not. Why not? Probably a similar set of players will miss a similar number of games because the roster is still built to lead the NFL in injuries, with guys like Peat, Thomas, Hill, and Winston returning a year older, mostly with more injuries, still among the oldest rosters in the NFL, but unlike most teams with old rosters the Saints did not cherry pick healthy older players and cut injury prone ones, they restructured the contracts of the injury prone ones for short term cap savings.

Essentially the most likely injury scenarios for the Saints and Eagles are what we saw in 2022 repeating in 2023. The Saints will probably have a ton of injuries. The Eagles will probably see Jalen Hurts pull a Lamar Jackson and miss a few games. Both will have excuses I guess, but those excuses will not predict bounce backs, because those excuses will be built around facts that repeat every year until something big changes. Hurts is a running QB who takes hits. The Saints are an old team that restructures and extends cripples.

Boston Saint · 07-25-2023, 11:41 AM

I think even the national media would agree that we have, on defense, top five (maybe ten) players at every level. Jordan is a force on the Dline and a possible HOF player. Davis is one of the best LBs in the league. Lattimore is the same at CB. That’s the makings of a D that will keep any team in a game.

Rugby Saint II · 07-25-2023, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I think even the national media would agree that we have, on defense, top five (maybe ten) players at every level. Jordan is a force on the Dline and a possible HOF player. Davis is one of the best LBs in the league. Lattimore is the same at CB. That’s the makings of a D that will keep any team in a game.

I know!! Right? No one thinks we drafted well, have a good coach, or will be competitive with such an "old roster". But they still think we could be competitive if we don't set another record for games missed by starters again. The ball really hasn't bounced our way since '09 and we've definitely been on the wrong end of some terrible calls since then, but the odds should be back in our favor now. I'm a big fan of playing the odds.

Like Clint Eastwood said in Dirty Harry "are you feeling lucky punk? Well? Are you?"

I am. My magazine holds 16+1. So, yeah, I'm feeling pretty lucky about right now. Who Dat!

SmashMouth · 07-25-2023, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I think even the national media would agree that we have, on defense, top five (maybe ten) players at every level. Jordan is a force on the Dline and a possible HOF player. Davis is one of the best LBs in the league. Lattimore is the same at CB. That’s the makings of a D that will keep any team in a game.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I know!! Right? No one thinks we drafted well, have a good coach, or will be competitive with such an "old roster". But they still think we could be competitive if we don't set another record for games missed by starters again. The ball really hasn't bounced our way since '09 and we've definitely been on the wrong end of some terrible calls since then, but the odds should be back in our favor now. I'm a big fan of playing the odds.

Like Clint Eastwood said in Dirty Harry "are you feeling lucky punk? Well? Are you?"

I am. My magazine holds 16+1. So, yeah, I'm feeling pretty lucky about right now. Who Dat!

If JJ Watt is first Ballot, so is Cameron Jordan, especially if we get another Tiffany.

Boston Saint · 07-26-2023, 12:59 PM

I do, however, have bad feelings about how Carolina beat us twice last year and now have the QB they wanted. Can’t take you opponents lightly.

07-25-2023, 11:21 AM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,792	Ain't Skeered Same coach. Same OC. But I still ain't skeered! All we need to do is stay healthy! leilung, SaintFanQ, SmashMouth and 3 others like this.

07-25-2023, 11:30 AM	#2
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,894	Re: Ain't Skeered We beat last year’s NFC champs. We gave the NFC runner up niners all they could handle. We had the Bengals on the ropes. Health is they Key like you say Rugs. As an example Lattimore coming back last year was huge! The Defense is a total different beast with him out there. Seeing as how he finished the year healthy, there’s no reason to think he’s not ready to go! Crusader and Rugby Saint II like this.

07-25-2023, 11:37 AM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,792	Re: Ain't Skeered Originally Posted by Boston Saint We beat last year’s NFC champs. We gave the NFC runner up niners all they could handle. We had the Bengals on the ropes. Health is they Key like you say Rugs. As an example Lattimore coming back last year was huge! The Defense is a total different beast with him out there. Seeing as how he finished the year healthy, there’s no reason to think he’s not ready to go! There are an awful lot of reasons to feel good about this season, and Derek Carr is the biggest reason for optimism! Well, that and AK, Thomas, JJ, Shaheed, DD, Cam,....and the list goes on and on, because we finally have strong starters and apparently, we have quality depth too. Oh yeah, I'm sooo stoked that I haven't slept in days. But that's OK I'm too excited to sleep! I'll sleep when we need to buy a new trophy case. saintsfan1976 and SmashMouth like this.

07-27-2023, 04:05 PM	#4
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,777	Re: Ain't Skeered Originally Posted by Boston Saint We beat last year’s NFC champs. We gave the NFC runner up niners all they could handle. We had the Bengals on the ropes. Health is they Key like you say Rugs. As an example Lattimore coming back last year was huge! The Defense is a total different beast with him out there. Seeing as how he finished the year healthy, there’s no reason to think he’s not ready to go! We beat the Eagles with their starting QB out. The 49ers shut us out 13-0, that is not giving them all they could handle, they went up 3-0 early, led 10-0 at the half, made it 13-0 early in the 3rd quarter, and didn't pile on more points because they didn't need to, this was our worst loss of the season and we were dominated. The game was very similar to LSU's performance in the 2012 National Championship against Alabama, minus a 4th quarter piling on TD. We did hold our own against the Bengals but the Bengals were not a good team in the 1st half of the season. The Bengals were 2-3 when we played them and were a 4-4 team in the first half of the season. They went undefeated in the second half but were just not great when we played them, and they still beat us. A reasonable thing to conclude about our 2022 season is not that we gave a bunch of great teams tough games, its that we were able to pick off a lot of close wins against teams playing backup and rookie type QBs. If I remember right, we did not beat any team in 2022 who was using the same QB who was their starter in 2021 and remained their starter at the end of 2022, we beat all unstable/new/changing QB situation teams, except we could not beat the Panthers. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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07-27-2023, 04:11 PM	#5
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,894	Re: Ain't Skeered Originally Posted by BakoSaint We beat the Eagles with their starting QB out. The 49ers shut us out 13-0, that is not giving them all they could handle, they went up 3-0 early, led 10-0 at the half, made it 13-0 early in the 3rd quarter, and didn't pile on more points because they didn't need to, this was our worst loss of the season and we were dominated. The game was very similar to LSU's performance in the 2012 National Championship against Alabama, minus a 4th quarter piling on TD. We did hold our own against the Bengals but the Bengals were not a good team in the 1st half of the season. The Bengals were 2-3 when we played them and were a 4-4 team in the first half of the season. They went undefeated in the second half but were just not great when we played them, and they still beat us. A reasonable thing to conclude about our 2022 season is not that we gave a bunch of great teams tough games, its that we were able to pick off a lot of close wins against teams playing backup and rookie type QBs. If I remember right, we did not beat any team in 2022 who was using the same QB who was their starter in 2021 and remained their starter at the end of 2022, we beat all unstable/new/changing QB situation teams, except we could not beat the Panthers. So injuries are an excuse for Philly but not us? Ok. If you watched the niners game, yes we did give the Niners all they can handle. We played them closer than any other team during their seven (I believe) game win stretch. It took a bad fumble by us and bull**** ref calls to beat us. I’m not going to bother refuting you point by point because it’s not going to change anything. You look at things with a clearly negative view on whatever Mickey Loomis on the side to do. It’s the complete opposite of Guido, who looks at it with a completely positive viewpoint. I’d like to stay in the middle of myself because I realize there’s things they’ve done well and there’s things they haven’t done well.
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07-27-2023, 04:27 PM	#6
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,777	Re: Ain't Skeered Originally Posted by Boston Saint So injuries are an excuse for Philly but not us? Ok. It's hard to say what's an excuse, a reason, or an explanation. When I say excuse, I mean we are excusing it in order to justify a better record next year on the basis that it won't happen again, and therefore we can deduct its effects. I think that is BS. If Eagles fans are predicting a 16+ win season and claiming Jalen Hurts missing 2 games last year was a fluke and really they were essentially a 16-1 team last year then I disagree and consider that a lame excuse. Did the Eagles go 14-3 not 16-1 last year because Jalen Hurts missed 2 games? Yes. Can that be their excuse? I guess. Will they go 16-1 next year? Probably not. Why not? Probably Jalen Hurts will miss a few games next year too, because he runs a lot and got injured the previous year and its kind of predictable. If not, someone else will get hurt among their stars, probably. Did the Saints go 7-10 not 10-7 last year because of many injuries to many aging and injury prone players on one of the oldest rosters in the NFL filled with players who might be cut on other teams whose salary cap management strategy allows them to absorb the cap hits of cutting injury prone players? Yes. Can that be the Saints excuse? I guess. Will they go 10-7 or better next year? Probably not. Why not? Probably a similar set of players will miss a similar number of games because the roster is still built to lead the NFL in injuries, with guys like Peat, Thomas, Hill, and Winston returning a year older, mostly with more injuries, still among the oldest rosters in the NFL, but unlike most teams with old rosters the Saints did not cherry pick healthy older players and cut injury prone ones, they restructured the contracts of the injury prone ones for short term cap savings. Essentially the most likely injury scenarios for the Saints and Eagles are what we saw in 2022 repeating in 2023. The Saints will probably have a ton of injuries. The Eagles will probably see Jalen Hurts pull a Lamar Jackson and miss a few games. Both will have excuses I guess, but those excuses will not predict bounce backs, because those excuses will be built around facts that repeat every year until something big changes. Hurts is a running QB who takes hits. The Saints are an old team that restructures and extends cripples.
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07-25-2023, 11:41 AM	#7
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,894	Re: Ain't Skeered I think even the national media would agree that we have, on defense, top five (maybe ten) players at every level. Jordan is a force on the Dline and a possible HOF player. Davis is one of the best LBs in the league. Lattimore is the same at CB. That’s the makings of a D that will keep any team in a game. SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and Thirty3 like this.

07-25-2023, 11:54 AM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,792	Re: Ain't Skeered Originally Posted by Boston Saint I think even the national media would agree that we have, on defense, top five (maybe ten) players at every level. Jordan is a force on the Dline and a possible HOF player. Davis is one of the best LBs in the league. Lattimore is the same at CB. That’s the makings of a D that will keep any team in a game. I know!! Right? No one thinks we drafted well, have a good coach, or will be competitive with such an "old roster". But they still think we could be competitive if we don't set another record for games missed by starters again. The ball really hasn't bounced our way since '09 and we've definitely been on the wrong end of some terrible calls since then, but the odds should be back in our favor now. I'm a big fan of playing the odds. Like Clint Eastwood said in Dirty Harry "are you feeling lucky punk? Well? Are you?" I am. My magazine holds 16+1. So, yeah, I'm feeling pretty lucky about right now. Who Dat! AsylumGuido and Boston Saint like this.
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07-25-2023, 08:45 PM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,183 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Ain't Skeered Originally Posted by Boston Saint I think even the national media would agree that we have, on defense, top five (maybe ten) players at every level. Jordan is a force on the Dline and a possible HOF player. Davis is one of the best LBs in the league. Lattimore is the same at CB. That’s the makings of a D that will keep any team in a game. Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I know!! Right? No one thinks we drafted well, have a good coach, or will be competitive with such an "old roster". But they still think we could be competitive if we don't set another record for games missed by starters again. The ball really hasn't bounced our way since '09 and we've definitely been on the wrong end of some terrible calls since then, but the odds should be back in our favor now. I'm a big fan of playing the odds. Like Clint Eastwood said in Dirty Harry "are you feeling lucky punk? Well? Are you?" I am. My magazine holds 16+1. So, yeah, I'm feeling pretty lucky about right now. Who Dat! If JJ Watt is first Ballot, so is Cameron Jordan, especially if we get another Tiffany. leilung, Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

07-26-2023, 12:59 PM	#10
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,894	Re: Ain't Skeered I do, however, have bad feelings about how Carolina beat us twice last year and now have the QB they wanted. Can’t take you opponents lightly. K Major likes this.