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AsylumGuido 09-27-2023 05:07 PM

Tre'Quan Visiting the Broncos
 
LOL! There it is. We all knew this was coming.


dizzle88 09-27-2023 05:19 PM

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Hahaha of course he is lol

Payton can't help himself!

WhoDat!656 09-27-2023 05:19 PM

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Is he a victim of Kamara coming off suspension?

AsylumGuido 09-27-2023 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 981430)
Is he a victim of Kamara coming off suspension?

I believe we already had an open spot for Kamara. Tre'Quan was on IR so didn't count toward the 53 man roster anyway.

AsylumGuido 09-27-2023 06:01 PM

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MatthewT 09-27-2023 06:29 PM

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Glad the Saints finally moved on from him, but he seriously should have been kept over Keith Kirkwood.

AsylumGuido 09-27-2023 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 981437)
Glad the Saints finally moved on from him, but he seriously should have been kept over Keith Kirkwood.

Yeah, he had more to contribute, but I'm not sure if he's healthy yet.

SmashMouth 09-27-2023 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 981437)
Glad the Saints finally moved on from him, but he seriously should have been kept over Keith Kirkwood.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 981439)
Yeah, he had more to contribute, but I'm not sure if he's healthy yet.

AT Perry says Hello!

AsylumGuido 09-27-2023 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 981440)
AT Perry says Hello!

Yup. This is a given.

BakoSaint 09-27-2023 08:08 PM

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A slightly better player who can't stay healthy creates more disruption to your lineup than they are worth. If timing or one other teams scouting was a little different we could have lost shaheed or johnson due to all our patience with Trashcan Smith. We also kind of penciled him in as a 2/3 starter many years that held back our offense. An injury prone backup isn't as much a problem as an injury prone starter but lately he hasn't just been injury prone he has been injured all the time.

I am hoping some teams in the division will also work him out.

rezburna 09-28-2023 08:33 AM

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At this point Payton should have just stayed.

AsylumGuido 09-28-2023 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 981453)
At this point Payton should have just stayed.

Watch Denver go winless and he gets fired and wants to return to New Orleans. We get the 2023 1st, the 1st pick of the 2nd round in 2024, and the coach back, if we want him.

Rugby Saint II 09-28-2023 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 981442)
A slightly better player who can't stay healthy creates more disruption to your lineup than they are worth. If timing or one other teams scouting was a little different we could have lost shaheed or johnson due to all our patience with Trashcan Smith. We also kind of penciled him in as a 2/3 starter many years that held back our offense. An injury prone backup isn't as much a problem as an injury prone starter but lately he hasn't just been injury prone he has been injured all the time.

I am hoping some teams in the division will also work him out.

They aren't interested. They've seen what he can and can't do.

SmashMouth 09-28-2023 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 981453)
At this point Payton should have just stayed.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 981454)
Watch Denver go winless and he gets fired and wants to return to New Orleans. We get the 2023 1st, the 1st pick of the 2nd round in 2024, and the coach back, if we want him.

I suspect the former Miss West Virginia didn't want to remain in NOLA as one of the contributing factors to the turn of events. Why would we want him back anyway? Would DA take him as an OC? :p

voodooido 09-28-2023 11:32 AM

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I’m just glad he is gone. What a waste of talent

BakoSaint 09-28-2023 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 981467)
I suspect the former Miss West Virginia didn't want to remain in NOLA as one of the contributing factors to the turn of events. Why would we want him back anyway? Would DA take him as an OC? :p

I think DA would be glad to have Sean Payton as OC next year at Arkansas State. However I think Miss Virginia may prefer Sean in Morgantown.

SaintFanQ 09-29-2023 04:14 AM

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When are the Broncos officially changing their name to the Denver Saints!

rezburna 09-29-2023 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 981467)
I suspect the former Miss West Virginia didn't want to remain in NOLA as one of the contributing factors to the turn of events. Why would we want him back anyway? Would DA take him as an OC? :p

Once DA fumbles this season we’ll probably be looking for a new head coach next year. Knowing this ownership though they’ll probably promote Pete Carmichael’s sorry ass.

SmashMouth 09-29-2023 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 981519)
Once DA fumbles this season we’ll probably be looking for a new head coach next year. Knowing this ownership though they’ll probably promote Pete Carmichael’s sorry ass.

So Deon is next on deck as a future Saints HC?

AsylumGuido 09-29-2023 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 981544)
So Deon is next on deck as a future Saints HC?

I think they keep DA around after when bring home the Lombardi next February.

AsylumGuido 09-29-2023 04:26 PM

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I couldn't agree more with this.


AsylumGuido 09-29-2023 04:28 PM

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BakoSaint 09-29-2023 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 981547)
I think they keep DA around after when bring home the Lombardi next February.

If we have a winning record and they keep DA around fine. As long as they don't start trading away future 1st round picks. But if we have a losing record, DA needs to bring his talents to Arkansas State.

saintsfan1976 09-30-2023 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 981558)
If we have a winning record and they keep DA around fine. As long as they don't start trading away future 1st round picks. But if we have a losing record, DA needs to bring his talents to Arkansas State.

He seems to be more in command than last season. Players seem to respond well to him and the overall TEAM mindset. Locker room still strong.

I want to see him make the changes necessary to begin scoring more points. Young coordinators are tearing up the league while awkward Pete keeps choking in the red zone.

saintsfan1976 09-30-2023 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 981549)

And that marks the end of the entire 2018 draft class. What a busted year...

Sure, 3Quan "did his job" but honestly, didn't we always feel a little "wanting more" from him?

BakoSaint 09-30-2023 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 981551)

I think that amounts to an argument that Trequan's injures were not a moral failure. But I know they were not a moral failure, they were a physical failure.

Personally I think there are room for 3-4 kinds of receivers on an NFL roster: stars, incredibly reliable backups, special teams standouts, and/or young players with big upside. At this stage in his career Trequan is not incredibly reliable because he has only been good for 10-15 games a year and is constantly missing practice and coming back rusty from injuries. You can't be reliable if you often don't play at all. I haven't seen a ton from him on special teams, and he can't be a major player there either if he can't stay healthy. But at the same time he is also no longer so young, the odds are low for any breakout season at this age.

So, if you want a role player, you are better off finding one who can play 17 games. If you want a project, you are better finding one who still hasn't hit their prime and might become a star.

Rugby Saint II 09-30-2023 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 981565)
And that marks the end of the entire 2018 draft class. What a busted year...

Sure, 3Quan "did his job" but honestly, didn't we always feel a little "wanting more" from him?

I couldn't wait to hear that we cut him. However, he had a strong preseason and you can easily see how much better we are at YAC when 3Q was in blocking. Our young guns don't block well and it shows!

rezburna 09-30-2023 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 981544)
So Deon is next on deck as a future Saints HC?

I really don’t think Prime is coming to the NFL. I also don’t think he’d be as effective as he is on the collegiate level. I’d be looking at Kellen Moore (LAC) and Ben Johnson (DET). Truthfully, I’d offer Mike McDaniels $20 million a year to leave the Dolphins. Brilliant offensive mind.

BakoSaint 09-30-2023 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 981572)
I really don’t think Prime is coming to the NFL. I also don’t think he’d be as effective as he is on the collegiate level. I’d be looking at Kellen Moore (LAC) and Ben Johnson (DET). Truthfully, I’d offer Mike McDaniels $20 million a year to leave the Dolphins. Brilliant offensive mind.

I don't think Prime is coming to the NFL either. He claims he loves college, and his motivational techniques may not work as well when he is battling egos with the players who can say they are making more money than he ever did.

I think a young coach like Moore or Johnson could be a good option. Depending on how the Redskins season goes, Eric Bienemy could be another consideration. He must have a massive chip on his shoulder with all the rejection he has had, and he did put up 35 on Denver with Sam Howell at QB.

Another option would be Jim Harbaugh. While Payton has not worked out for the Broncos so far, Andy Reid certainly has worked out for the Chiefs. Historically, there is no case of an NFL coach winning a Super Bowl with 2 teams, but there are many cases of a coach coming up just short with their first team and going all the way with their second. Andy Reid, Dick Vermeil, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Jon Gruden, Tony Dungy, Bruce Arians, etc. The coach just needs to have shown they can win in their first stint, and be hyper focused on going all the way in their second, and willing to bring in new coordinators and innovate knowing that 'more of the same' and 'stick to the plan' might buy them one more year but won't get that ring.

I feel like maybe coaches who lose in their first stint get desperate trying new approaches in their first stint and it doesnt work and their instinct in their second stint is to stick to the plan and play the odds and strive to scratch out 9 wins. Coaches who win in their second stint but don't get a championship are more prone to innovate, because they won't be satisfied with 9 wins. Meanwhile coaches who previously won it all are often just fixated on trying to rebuild the past and not innovating.

Rugby Saint II 09-30-2023 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 981576)
I don't think Prime is coming to the NFL either. He claims he loves college, and his motivational techniques may not work as well when he is battling egos with the players who can say they are making more money than he ever did.

I think a young coach like Moore or Johnson could be a good option. Depending on how the Redskins season goes, Eric Bienemy could be another consideration. He must have a massive chip on his shoulder with all the rejection he has had, and he did put up 35 on Denver with Sam Howell at QB.

Another option would be Jim Harbaugh. While Payton has not worked out for the Broncos so far, Andy Reid certainly has worked out for the Chiefs. Historically, there is no case of an NFL coach winning a Super Bowl with 2 teams, but there are many cases of a coach coming up just short with their first team and going all the way with their second. Andy Reid, Dick Vermeil, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Jon Gruden, Tony Dungy, Bruce Arians, etc. The coach just needs to have shown they can win in their first stint, and be hyper focused on going all the way in their second, and willing to bring in new coordinators and innovate knowing that 'more of the same' and 'stick to the plan' might buy them one more year but won't get that ring.

I feel like maybe coaches who lose in their first stint get desperate trying new approaches in their first stint and it doesnt work and their instinct in their second stint is to stick to the plan and play the odds and strive to scratch out 9 wins. Coaches who win in their second stint but don't get a championship are more prone to innovate, because they won't be satisfied with 9 wins. Meanwhile coaches who previously won it all are often just fixated on trying to rebuild the past and not innovating.

That's very thought provoking. Great post Bako.


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