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BakoSaint 10-21-2023 01:33 PM

Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
There has been various discussion of moving on from DA, PC, Carr, and others. I am all for coaching changes. I also don't know that Winston or Haener would not be better than Carr, though I am highly skeptical they would be. But I just wanted to provide some neccessary background for why moving on from Carr this offseason is probably not realistic. I know some like the option and some hate it and feel Carr is fine, but I just want to explain what the option actually means and why it probably is not an option.

The Saints are $71.5 million over the projected 2024 salary cap, but this is not the end of the world because we can restructure contracts to save up to about $110-120 million if we restructure every eligible contract. Restructuring means we take money that is due in 2024 like base salary and roster bonuses and convert all but an about $1 million base salary into a signing bonus which can be prorated over up to the next 5 years, including void years if needed, so only 1/5th of the money is due in 2024.

The problem is that Carr is the biggest contract we can restructure for the most 2024 cap savings. Restructuring Carr saves us $23 million off the 2024 salary cap.

The other problem is that Carr's $30 million 2024 base salary is fully guaranteed, he is due a $5.7 million prorated bonus in 2024 from his signing bonus, and he is due $17.1 million in prorated bonuses over the 2025-2027 period. If he is cut, all those bonuses become due in 2024, and we still have to pay his base salary since its guaranteed, which is usually what you cut a player to avoid. So if he is cut, instead of saving $23 million we owe an extra $17 million in 2024. This is a net change of $40 million for our salary cap picture.

This means if we cut Carr, we are $88.5 million over the 2024 salary cap and we can save about $87-97 million if we restructure every contract on our roster to the max. Beyond this there is nothing that can be done to free up salary cap. Loomis' cap magic is entirely dependent on this tactic of restructuring contracts to defer base salary and roster bonuses over 5 years. There is no additional magic that allows them to be deferred over 10 years or to restructure more players than are on our own roster or to get to restructure the same money twice, there is a hard limit and when you hit that you cannot do anything else.

All our other contracts are structured much like Carr's, for the first year it costs not saved money to cut players. There is only one player we can cut and save more than $1.25 million which is James Hurst at $2.7 million which is not much money anyway, and all the players we could cut to save $1 million would cost the same to replace with another minimum salary player.

Essentially if we cut Carr, we take a net $40 million cap hit versus restructuring him, and at most after restructuring everyone and not moving on from any other players who might be part of our problems this year we have $10 million cap space. Then we need to sign our draft picks which will cost about $10 million cap space.

So if we cut Carr our 2024 roster is our 2023 roster, minus Carr, Thomas, Peat, Winston, Baun, and any other minor free agents, plus our draft class, plus minimum salary players. There will be virtually no money left over to sign free agents earning starting level pay, trade for them, cut anyone other than Carr earning starting level pay which would incur a dead cap hit, or sign any players to an extension at starting level pay (as we would already be restructuring those players base salary and roster bonuses over the maximum of 5 years, so any new money increase our cap burned in 2024 since 1/5th of it would hit immediately, and players would be unlikely to sign an extension without any additional bonus the first year).

Cutting Carr would completely paralyze our 2024 roster. It would be the moment the salary caps hard limits finally hit. If we do seek a new coach, this situation would make us a very undesirable job, as that coach could not really bring in any new veteran starters to put their imprint on the team, and they would be stuck with a rookie QB or a very minimum salary veteran. We might not even be able to afford to resign Winston if some team got crazy and offered him $6-8 million a year for for two years if he comes into a few games for us and looks decent. Also, the new coach would not be able to purge veterans who don't fit his system and were loyal to the old regime, so even if a new coach benched some veterans in favor of new blood, they would have to remain on the roster, creating controversies if young players struggle.

There are two caveats to all this. In theory we could designate Carr a post-June-1 cut. But this is very complicated. Carr has a $10 million 2025 roster bonus that becomes guaranteed if he is still on the roster this March. Preventing this guarantee is the only financial benefit to cutting him this offseason, since his base salary in 2024 is guaranteed. But, if he is designated a post-June-1 cut, I am not sure if this roster bonus could prevent being guaranteed, since in some sense he is still on the roster until June 1 for financial purposes. Even if it would prevent the guarantee, a post-june-1 cut is complicated in how it works, and the team is not supposed to get the cap benefit until June 1. But we are not allowed to exceed the salary cap at any time prior to june 1 either. So, we would have to do all the moves to restructure virtually every veteran with a non-minimum salary on our roster anyway, which takes away the flexibility to move on from any of those other players. We could designate other players we want to get rid of as post June 1 cuts but the same problems arise, and we are only allowed to designate two players, and I dont think we can designate any trades as post-June-1. So overall, the post june 1 thing is probably not a very useful tool in this situation where we are so far over the salary cap and have to stay under it at all times and have to restructure everyone.

The second caveat is that while Derek Carr's $30 million 2024 salary is fully guaranteed, in theory if we traded him another team could pay it. If we managed to get another team to accept Carr's full $30 million salary we could actually save $13 million which is still not as much as the $23 million we would save with a restructure, but is close. The thing is, no other team is likely to want Carr for $30 million, unless for example we give them our 1st round pick for taking Carr off our hands, which I don't think many fans would want us to give up.

Overall, I don't think moving on from Carr this offseason is a viable financial option once you consider the implications. His 2024 base salary is fully guaranteed so we don't save any money really, except the $10 million 2025 roster bonus. Even if Carr sits the entire season on the bench, we are better using our money other way. But its much more practical to bring in different coaches who might be able to get more out of Carr, at least as a bridge starter, and move on in 2025 if needed when his base salary is not guaranteed, even if that pesky roster bonus is. If we restructure Carr, we at least have a little salary cap flexibility to do things such as bring in some help on oline, take a few cap hits cutting some other veterans who may not fit long term to free up 2025 cap space to make it easier if we need to move on from Carr, sign other role players who may fit a new coaches system, etc.

Danno 10-21-2023 02:05 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
He can be a pricey back-up as far as I'm concerned
Play the best players.

BakoSaint 10-21-2023 06:31 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Upon further reading, designating Carr a post-June-1 cut before his roster bonus triggers would prevent it from triggering. In that scenario the Saints would not save or lose any money against the 2024 cap until June 1. So the Saints would remain $71.5 million over the 2024 Salary Cap with the inability to restructure Carr's contract and they could still restructure all other players to save between $87-97 million so they would need to restructure almost everyone else. This would mean $15-$25 million cap space, of which $10 million would go to signing draft picks, leaving $5-15 million for other transactions, which is still a fairly low amount but could allow some other movement. Then the $17 million hit for prorated bonus dead money would hit in 2025, but the $10 million roster bonus wouldn't. Either way the $30 million base salary would hit in 2023 because it is guaranteed.

If we are going rebuild, this is still probably a worse option than moving on from other veterans, because it still uses up most of our 2024 cap and all we escape in 2025 is the $10 million roster bonus, because Carr's salary is guaranteed. Many other vets we could move on from don't have guaranteed salaries so we could save more, and we could cut more than one of them.

Technically there is another option but its probably unlikely. If Carr and the Saints mutually wanted a divorce, Carr could restructure his contract to convert the $30 million salary into a $1 million non-guaranteed salary and a $30 million bonus prorated over 5 years at $6 million a year. Then once the ink dries on the restructure, we could designate him a post-June-1 cut. This would save $24 million in 2024, $1 million more than a restructure, but result in a $41 million dead cap hit in 2025. This compares to saving $23 million in 2024 with a restructure where he stays on the team, and take a $50 million dead cap hit in 2025 to cut him then (the $23 million saved + $17 million previously prorated + $10 million roster bonus that guarantees March 1). If Carr would agree to this and we wanted to move on, it might be our best option, but I am not totally sure the NFL allows it and also I am not sure Carr would do it considering he would have leverage and might want that $10 million roster bonus.

To summarize here are our options to get rid of Carr in 2024 or 2025. Looking further at the cap mechanics some could be viable but most would create a lot of other cap constraints unless Carr helps by restructuring before the cut, if thats legal.

Our main options:
Regular Cut: $52.8 million 2024 cap cost. Total $52.8 million.
Post June-1-Designation Cut: $35.7 million 2024 cap cost, $17 million 2025 cap cost. Total $52.8 million.
Keep for 2024 without restructure, cut in March 2025: $35.7 million 2024 cap cost, $27.1 million 2025 cap cost. Total $62.8 million
Keep for 2024 with restructure, cut in March 2025: $12.7 million 2024 cap cost, $50.1 million 2025 cap cost. Total $62.8 million
Keep for 2024 with restructure, cut in March 2025 with post-June-1 designation: $12.7 million 2024 cap cost, $21.5 million 2025 cap cost, $28.6 million 2026 cap cost. Total $62.8 million.

Very Unlikely:
Restructure and Post-June-1-Designation Cut in March 2024: $11.7 million 2024 cap cost, $41.1 million 2025 cap cost. Total $52.8 million.
Trade in 2024 offseason: $52.8 million 2024 cap cost minus whatever salary trade partner is willing to take up to $30 million, unlikely much unless we give them picks. Total $52.8 million - $?
Keep for 2024 with restructure, restructure roster bonus in March 2025 and then immediate cut with post-June-1 designation: $12.7 million 2024 cap cost, $13.5 million 2025 cap cost, $36.5 million 2026 cap cost.

Sinner 10-21-2023 06:37 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Y’all better start pointing a big finger at Loomis, and possibly higher, if you want to make sense of our suffering, which WILL continue for quite some time, unfortunately.

WhoDat!656 10-21-2023 08:35 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
I wanted the Saints to sign Baker Mayfield; IMO he is a better QB than Carr.

Rugby Saint II 10-22-2023 01:52 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
The Saints are broken and broke. It's going to be hard to dig out of this hole. It's depressing to think that this is what we are stuck with for the rest of the year.....and maybe next year too. :sad:

MatthewT 10-22-2023 05:19 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Moving on from Carr doesn't necessarily mean removing him from the roster. Drafting a potential franchise QB and having him learn from Hill while Carr sits the bench isn't the worst idea. Of course if Carr turns it around then he can play over the next couple years while the new guy gets ready. We shall see.

K Major 10-22-2023 06:52 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
9+ years in, I think we kinda have a good idea what Carr is.

A mid QB at best. I think Kirk Cousins 2.0 is a fair comparison.

After watching JT Sullivan give an expert breakdown, I have my doubts
with DCarr turning this around. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that many WRs “open” in a NFL game NOT thrown passes to before.

We can only hope things improve vs Indy.

neugey 10-22-2023 07:49 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Cousins is far superior to Carr. Despite being streak Cousins can at least execute the offense, progress through options and make the throws. None of the one-read Johnny stuff Carr is doing.

Like I said in another thread, the best chance to getting through to Carr is removing his Captain designation. Give him something to really fret over instead of his teammates and see if it gets through to him.

rezburna 10-22-2023 08:10 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neugey (Post 984198)
Cousins is far superior to Carr. Despite being streak Cousins can at least execute the offense, progress through options and make the throws. None of the one-read Johnny stuff Carr is doing.

Like I said in another thread, the best chance to getting through to Carr is removing his Captain designation. Give him something to really fret over instead of his teammates and see if it gets through to him.

Yeah, Kirk is better.

saintsfan1976 10-23-2023 06:45 AM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 984197)
9+ years in, I think we kinda have a good idea what Carr is.

A mid QB at best. I think Kirk Cousins 2.0 is a fair comparison.

After watching JT Sullivan give an expert breakdown, I have my doubts
with DCarr turning this around. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that many WRs “open” in a NFL game NOT thrown passes to before.

We can only hope things improve vs Indy.

All we needed was a top 15 QB. His salary was in line with his abilities. He didn't need to carry the team.

Instead Carr is playing nowhere near that level and may now be sinking the ship...

Cruize 10-23-2023 08:36 AM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
They will save a whole lot of money by Peat, Thomas, Winston and Hill not being on the roster. Plus, I would argue it's more important to get it right. Carr is not the answer. His attitude is a cancer. Another year with him is another wasted year as an organization. Cut bait. Trade future picks if you love a guy. Go with Haener. He's a fighter and will be cheap. It can be done.

K Major 10-23-2023 10:22 AM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
All I see is a "mid" QB missing slants, wide open (by most NFL standards) receivers across the middle of the field. 2 were TDs.

If you want to create a spark, take the head set away from Pete and give it Curry (2nd half playcalling). Run "hurry up", "quick tempo". Anything different. You may recall,

Dennis admitted that Ronald had input to a struggling offense at half time
.

This offense still looks like it's stuck in 2012.

The Colts game (on the road) won't be easy ... even with a backup QB.

K Major 10-23-2023 01:27 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Good, quick take by Matt on D Carr & the future at QB in New Orleans.


Rugby Saint II 10-23-2023 01:51 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 984212)
Good, quick take by Matt on D Carr & the future at QB in New Orleans.

FPI Draft Projections | Will Saints Draft QB OF THE FUTURE in 2024? - YouTube

I liked him initially but he's so negative that I can't watch him anymore. I'm upset enough as it is!

K Major 10-23-2023 02:03 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 984213)
I liked him initially but he's so negative that I can't watch him anymore. I'm upset enough as it is!

What would you like him to say Rugs? I don't think Matt is "negative" at all. He's calling it as he see's the game. Start playing better & winning, you'll probably get a different take from him.

This is a 3-4 underperforming team. Same goes for the coaches.

BakoSaint 10-23-2023 03:47 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 984202)
All we needed was a top 15 QB. His salary was in line with his abilities. He didn't need to carry the team.

Instead Carr is playing nowhere near that level and may now be sinking the ship...

Depends what you mean by need. If the goal was to go 10-7 or maybe 11-6 and make an appearance in the playoffs and have a coin flip shot against Dallas, Minnesota, Seattle, LA, or whoever were supposed to be the mid tier teams, maybe. But at a championship level, I don't think so. Thats the biggest problem to me, Loomis looked at this roster and said all we needed was the QB and he was wrong. A few years ago we had Brees, and 2018 was the last year we got close to the championship, and it has been down hill every year since, and we were not going to achieve greater results with a lesser version of Brees and the same but older core.

Taking away the QB position and comparing the rest of the roster, I don't think we are as good as Phi or SF. What we had was a solid top 10 defense, some good weapons on offense except for no dominant TE, a makeshift sketchy oline, and a head coach with a track record of losing. Although our defense is good, we don't have the DPOY caliber defenders who take over games. We drafted Davenport and Turner to be those guys and they both missed so now we have to sell ourselves that an aging Cam and Granderson are our direct equivalents of Bosa and Parsons. Cam Jordan has always been a guy who is consistent but he is getting old, and even in his prime he was not the guy who brought it to the next level and took over the game in the playoffs and willed a ring. Players like Bosa, Parsons, Gardner, and Donald are harder to account for in the playoffs.

We were 7-10 last year and didn't have the worst QB play from Dalton honestly. Dalton perhaps the 20th best QB in the NFL last year. He was 19th in passing yards, 15th in TDs. Lets say Dalton was the 22nd best QB in the league last year to be conservative, how is going to the 15th best QB going to get us from 7-10 to a ring?

The Eagles had everything we had, plus an elite oline, plus a proven coach who won a lot of games last year, plus a top 5-10 QB. How is getting a 15th ranked QB going to put us over the top?

The Jets had everything we had except they were coming from a much worse QB in Zach Wilson and probably have a better defense. After all they managed 7-10 in a better division with a worse offense. Garder is a DPOY level shut down corner while Lattimore shows up for the big games but isn't as consistent. They added a QB in Aaron Rodgers who was a recent MVP and had the potential to be top 5. How was adding Derek Carr going to match their adding Rodgers had he stayed healthy?

You can look at lots of other teams. The 49ers have a winning coach, a top 15 QB who is young and cheap, a better oline, and a more dangerous pass rusher to dominate games. The Bills have a roster a lot like ours minus the QB, but their QB is top 5. The Chiefs may trail us a bit on offensive and defensive weapons but their QB is all world. We just aren't competing with those teams even if Carr was Carr of 2 years ago. Maybe we are 5-2 in a weak division, but when the playoffs come we are done.

To say we paid fair market for a #15 QB is tricky. The market for a #15 QB isn't always there. Most NFL teams do not want to pay big money for a #15 QB even if its fair value because its hard to win it all with a #15 QB unless your team is absolutely bonkers great on other levels. Like the Jets with Gardner or the Broncos back when they had Von Miller and such an elite defense they made the playoffs with Tebow. Sometimes a QB who could be #15 doesn't get much interest at all, like Winston when he left the Bucs or Newton when he left the Panthers or guys like Matt Ryan or Philip Rivers late in their career. Your franchise has to be in a very special moment for the case where Drew Bledsoe or Derek Carr or Jay Cutler gets you a ring, and most teams would rather take a chance on a young guy who could be #5 or #25 for cheap than spend a ton to try to lock in mediocrity.

And the most important thing at all, we are infinity players away when we don't have a winning coach. There is no roster in the league that is going anywhere with an 18-42 coach. I think the whole point of signing Carr was to stretch for 10-7 so we could unfurl a glorius NFC West Championship banner and brag about owning Ridder and Mayfield and give big money long term extensions to ML, DA, and PC before getting our ass handed to us in the playoffs so they could enjoy a lovely January vacation with that signing money. It was never a viable move to pursue excellence, only the pursuit of good enough.

lee909 10-23-2023 10:04 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Loomis and the scouts should be under far more scrutiny. Loomis has backed himself into a corner where he can do nothing but keep doubling down and trying to manipulate his was out of cap issues. Instead of admitting the window closed before Brees retired he kept with him and Payton for one more year. The chances of a title ended with Rams/Viking playoff defeats. They should have let a few big contracts,vets go and rebuild. Instead they held on to them, lost young players and are in the Jeff Fisher Rams cycle of being a game or 2 from .500 every year. No cap space or top 5 picks to turn a team around and wasting multiple picks on players no better than avg starters in the league

Too many first round picks on players that just lower/mid tier starters. Very few game changing players. Whoever is scouting both sides of the line needs booted out.

Rell&Gold 10-24-2023 01:20 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 984202)
All we needed was a top 15 QB. His salary was in line with his abilities. He didn't need to carry the team.

Instead Carr is playing nowhere near that level and may now be sinking the ship...

He's getting paid few mil less than Dak and is being out performed by Justin Fields and 23 other QBs. This is the offensive FA equivalent to Jarius Byrd

Rugby Saint II 10-24-2023 03:30 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 984216)
What would you like him to say Rugs? I don't think Matt is "negative" at all. He's calling it as he see's the game. Start playing better & winning, you'll probably get a different take from him.

This is a 3-4 underperforming team. Same goes for the coaches.

I want him to offer some some advice on how to fix things, He reminds me of mapcow. He just isn't a happy camper even when things are going well. Like I said, I used to like him.

Ross Jackson is a bit of a sunshine pumper though, but he has ideas on how to fix things and will discuss them. Not just go off on a rant. He also attends games and practices.

Moscona does neither one, and gets his opinions from other people rather than digging in for details That's it! He's shallow and acts like he's an insider. We've got enough of that on the bng already, which is enough for me.

WW_Who_Dat 10-24-2023 05:28 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 984282)
I want him to offer some some advice on how to fix things, He reminds me of mapcow. He just isn't a happy camper even when things are going well. Like I said, I used to like him.

Ross Jackson is a bit of a sunshine pumper though, but he has ideas on how to fix things and will discuss them. Not just go off on a rant. He also attends games and practices.

Moscona does neither one, and gets his opinions from other people rather than digging in for details That's it! He's shallow and acts like he's an insider. We've got enough of that on the bng already, which is enough for me.

Rugs I agree I’m certainly not happy with the product at this point but this not DC fault entirely. Oline play, play design, offensive scheme, play calling, route running, JT called that out on more than one occasion and play, communication and at this point in the season is more about our coaching staff for Christ sake.

How can you point a finger at one single thing or individual when you have all the rest of the team structure, function and accountability that is just not working. That’s on coaching and to think at this point Allen and our OC will turn the offensive side around is a long shot at best.

Stop watching AFR was just was into Moscone’s stick.

SmashMouth 10-24-2023 08:39 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 

K Major 10-24-2023 11:23 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 984293)

So we have teams/players knowing where Carr is going (check down) pre snap, respected analyst(s) all saying the same thing (missing open reads) in their weekly breakdowns, Rez sitting in the expensive seats knowing exactly where he is going with the ball, holding it too long, etc, etc.

Geez, we’re in trouble :rolleyes:.

mapcow 10-25-2023 12:25 AM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
There is always next year!!! c'mon Saints fans!!!! :beatnik:

Rugby Saint II 10-26-2023 03:18 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 984290)
Rugs I agree I’m certainly not happy with the product at this point but this not DC fault entirely. Oline play, play design, offensive scheme, play calling, route running, JT called that out on more than one occasion and play, communication and at this point in the season is more about our coaching staff for Christ sake.

How can you point a finger at one single thing or individual when you have all the rest of the team structure, function and accountability that is just not working. That’s on coaching and to think at this point Allen and our OC will turn the offensive side around is a long shot at best.

Stop watching AFR was just was into Moscone’s stick.

I respect your opinion WW, but I have to say that the team problems fall squarely on Dennis Allen. He was the one who wanted to hire Dougie Moron(the O line coach). He was the one who wanted to hire Pete Carmichael. He was the one who signed off on the draft reaches.

He set this team up by bringing in his old cronies from previous stops rather than look for fresh ideas elsewhere. He's still letting Carmichael call stale plays rather than replacing him. :bugeyes: Nepotism.....

BakoSaint 12-24-2023 02:47 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Spotrac and Overthecap are now showing the Saints as $87-89 million over the 2024 cap. When I wrote this post 2 months ago, they showed us $71.5 million over the cap. Does anyone know how this happened? They project for an increased salary cap, so did projections fall due to some kind of delayed NFL TV deals? I don't think we extended any more contracts. Did players somehow trigger some giant bonuses? Did BS like signing Jason Pierre Paul for one game have a bad effect?

Almost $90 million over the cap is bad. Essentially we are at a point where Carr could hold the franchise hostage and demand a 10 year fully guaranteed extension with full veto power over all personnel moves to restructure his contract, and Loomis might have to thank him and say yes. Yes we can get under the cap but it makes a rebuild or getting younger almost impossible as we have to restructure virtually everyone but Carr if Carr won't go along with it. If Carr and a couple other players banded together on resisting restructures, they could control the team.

And yes there are tricks to get under the cap with Post-June-1 cut designations, but my understanding is that that designation does not actually cut your cap until June 1, even if it allows the player to move on and sign elsewhere in the meantime, and it is against league rules to exceed the salary cap in March, April, and May. So now we have to restructure 3/4 of our veteran roster by salary.

Sinner 12-24-2023 02:49 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 984302)
There is always next year!!! c'mon Saints fans!!!! :beatnik:

Dat be some funny sheet right there…

WW_Who_Dat 12-24-2023 03:51 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 984331)
I respect your opinion WW, but I have to say that the team problems fall squarely on Dennis Allen. He was the one who wanted to hire Dougie Moron(the O line coach). He was the one who wanted to hire Pete Carmichael. He was the one who signed off on the draft reaches.

He set this team up by bringing in his old cronies from previous stops rather than look for fresh ideas elsewhere. He's still letting Carmichael call stale plays rather than replacing him. :bugeyes: Nepotism.....

Hey Rugs my bad Allen has no business acting like Head Coach …. He’s made that abundantly clear.

K Major 12-24-2023 04:58 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Carr is going to be around in 2024, possibly 2025 but you MUST
draft a QB.

Derek will NEVER get us where we want to be.

He’s as mediocre as they come.

lee909 12-24-2023 05:02 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 989367)
Carr is going to be around in 2024, possibly 2025 but you MUST
draft a QB.

Derek will NEVER get us where we want to be.

He’s as mediocre as they come.


I'd want thart offensive fixed before a young QB exposed to playing with what's there now

K Major 12-24-2023 05:16 PM

Re: Why Moving on from Carr this offseason is not a financial option.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 989369)
I'd want thart offensive fixed before a young QB exposed to playing with what's there now

Offense is fine. Carr is just a bridge so a draft pick is gonna sit for a year anyway.

Get quality coaches in New Orleans.

Imagine what Ben Johnson could do with this 2023 team.


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