Cause vs Symptom (Saints organizational dysfunction)

Rugby Saint II · 10-24-2023, 02:56 PM

I have mixed feelings about management. Loomis took us from bottom feeders to a perennial winner. Loomis was the person who convinced TB to invest in the team and build a winner. Then we won a Superbowl under the coach and QB he chose.

He introduced Khai Harley's accounting principles and changed the way contracts are written in the NFL. Some people don't like living off the credit card but the NFL is moving in that direction now. The Saints have to do a better job of managing bloated contracts. The Saints are trying to squeeze another dollar from one player to spend somewhere else.

There has to be a middle ground where we don't mortgage the future on hoping just a few players will be playing play well for decades. But it would take years to change the way handle our accounting system.

The problem I have is paying players to play for another team when we eventually cut them. Dead money is killer!

Maybe we need a consultant from the outside to bring us some fresh views and help Loomis find the next direction to go. The answer is not in house.

saintsfan1976 · 10-25-2023, 03:43 PM

Drew Brees - gather some investors and rescue this franchise

neugey · 10-25-2023, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Drew Brees - gather some investors and rescue this franchise

The Manning fam would seem like the logical ownership group leaders!

Cruize · 10-25-2023, 04:17 PM

No HOF QB to take up the slack.

4everSaint · 10-25-2023, 06:52 PM

I think because Mick has won an SB Gayle is still blindly trusting him and at this point he is pretty much sitting on his laurels. Complacent, if you will. He's gotten a lot older since then as you all have stated.

He pushes the beans around at the end of each season but before I completely gutted this thing, I would get rid of DA and Pete collectively. I would then tell "The Mick" it's time to get off your laurels and get this train back on track. The 09/10 season was a long damn time ago.

I would try to hang on to the talent we have. See if he can get a fire lit under him again. Only problem with that is, new GM's generally like to pick their coach. So then it drags on longer if he fails in his new HC pick next season.

I guess then you go the Browns and or Texans route. Be done with Mickey, tell the Coach thanks for trying and only one season is lost. Sadly, another season lost. Key players on both sides of the ball older, approaching retirement age and long in the tooth.

And the beat rolls on.

keithday123 · 10-25-2023, 07:54 PM

I have to believe that if the Saints ever hit the market that the Manning family would somehow be involved in a purchase.

TheOak · 10-25-2023, 08:29 PM

Loomis is worth $75MM and I’m inclined to believe his history and connections would put him at the head of the line to own the Saints with enough investors behind him.

As far as the Mannings, I’m always apprehensive when it comes to someone good at working in the business being good at working on the business. Just because someone is a damn good cook doesn’t mean they are a damn good restaurant owner. Elway spent 10 years as GM/EVP/P of the Broncos and made little difference to the teams performance.

saintsfan1976 · 10-26-2023, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Loomis is worth $75MM and I’m inclined to believe his history and connections would put him at the head of the line to own the Saints with enough investors behind him.

As far as the Mannings, I’m always apprehensive when it comes to someone good at working in the business being good at working on the business. Just because someone is a damn good cook doesn’t mean they are a damn good restaurant owner. Elway spent 10 years as GM/EVP/P of the Broncos and made little difference to the teams performance.

Post Brees/Payton is leading me to believe our restaurant is left without the right owner and chef!

SmashMouth · 10-26-2023, 05:27 PM

4everSaint · 10-26-2023, 08:21 PM

Would love to know what AI he asked. Probably Googles crappy Bard AI.

10-24-2023, 02:56 PM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,200	Re: Cause vs Symptom (Saints organizational dysfunction) I have mixed feelings about management. Loomis took us from bottom feeders to a perennial winner. Loomis was the person who convinced TB to invest in the team and build a winner. Then we won a Superbowl under the coach and QB he chose. He introduced Khai Harley's accounting principles and changed the way contracts are written in the NFL. Some people don't like living off the credit card but the NFL is moving in that direction now. The Saints have to do a better job of managing bloated contracts. The Saints are trying to squeeze another dollar from one player to spend somewhere else. There has to be a middle ground where we don't mortgage the future on hoping just a few players will be playing play well for decades. But it would take years to change the way handle our accounting system. The problem I have is paying players to play for another team when we eventually cut them. Dead money is killer! Maybe we need a consultant from the outside to bring us some fresh views and help Loomis find the next direction to go. The answer is not in house. iceshack149 likes this.
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10-25-2023, 03:43 PM	#2
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10-25-2023, 06:49 PM	#3
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10-25-2023, 04:17 PM	#4
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10-25-2023, 06:52 PM	#5
4everSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Madison, MS Posts: 846	Re: Cause vs Symptom (Saints organizational dysfunction) I think because Mick has won an SB Gayle is still blindly trusting him and at this point he is pretty much sitting on his laurels. Complacent, if you will. He's gotten a lot older since then as you all have stated. He pushes the beans around at the end of each season but before I completely gutted this thing, I would get rid of DA and Pete collectively. I would then tell "The Mick" it's time to get off your laurels and get this train back on track. The 09/10 season was a long damn time ago. I would try to hang on to the talent we have. See if he can get a fire lit under him again. Only problem with that is, new GM's generally like to pick their coach. So then it drags on longer if he fails in his new HC pick next season. I guess then you go the Browns and or Texans route. Be done with Mickey, tell the Coach thanks for trying and only one season is lost. Sadly, another season lost. Key players on both sides of the ball older, approaching retirement age and long in the tooth. And the beat rolls on.

10-25-2023, 07:54 PM	#6
keithday123 Texasaint Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 208	Re: Cause vs Symptom (Saints organizational dysfunction) I have to believe that if the Saints ever hit the market that the Manning family would somehow be involved in a purchase.
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10-25-2023, 08:29 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Cause vs Symptom (Saints organizational dysfunction) Loomis is worth $75MM and I’m inclined to believe his history and connections would put him at the head of the line to own the Saints with enough investors behind him. As far as the Mannings, I’m always apprehensive when it comes to someone good at working in the business being good at working on the business. Just because someone is a damn good cook doesn’t mean they are a damn good restaurant owner. Elway spent 10 years as GM/EVP/P of the Broncos and made little difference to the teams performance.

10-26-2023, 02:06 PM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,057 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cause vs Symptom (Saints organizational dysfunction) Originally Posted by TheOak Loomis is worth $75MM and I’m inclined to believe his history and connections would put him at the head of the line to own the Saints with enough investors behind him. As far as the Mannings, I’m always apprehensive when it comes to someone good at working in the business being good at working on the business. Just because someone is a damn good cook doesn’t mean they are a damn good restaurant owner. Elway spent 10 years as GM/EVP/P of the Broncos and made little difference to the teams performance. Post Brees/Payton is leading me to believe our restaurant is left without the right owner and chef!

10-26-2023, 05:27 PM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,022 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Cause vs Symptom (Saints organizational dysfunction) Twitter

10-26-2023, 08:21 PM	#10
4everSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Madison, MS Posts: 846	Re: Cause vs Symptom (Saints organizational dysfunction) Would love to know what AI he asked. Probably Googles crappy Bard AI. SmashMouth likes this.