What would it take to keep Dennis Allen
 

I wonder how everyone would feel if Allen and Pete won a playoff game this year, or perhaps made it to the NFCCG?

Would you want to keep them or would you still want to look elsewhere?

What would it take to keep them in your opinion?

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Idk. I don’t window shop. I’m more of a realist. So it’s hard for me to fathom unless I see it. I think any coach that makes it to a title game deserves another season.

That being said, the reality is that if these two make it to the playoffs, they’ll be here another year regardless.

Will they deserve to stay or not at the end of the season? I guess we have to see how the season goes.

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Super Bowl is the only way he’d buy time from me. And not an appearance. He gotta win.

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If we had a normal schedule just making the playoffs would be a sign of improvement. But we have the most ridiculous easy schedule in history. We are in the weakest division in the league. We play the second weakest division in our conference and the weakest division in the AFC. Our individual games against teams without the rest of their division are the Giants instead of Philly or Dallas, the Rams instead of SF or Seattle, and the Patriots instead of the Dolphins, Bills, or even Jets. The only conceivable way our schedule could be easier would be if we played the Cardinals instead of the Rams. And with the way every team if havings its QB injured before we play them, the Rams may be without Stafford by the time we play them anyway.

At this point I would keep DA is we win our first playoff game and don't get blown out in our second. Would I expect great things in 2024? Probably not. But firing a playoff winning coach who almost won a second playoff game could put too much pressure on the new coach, and who knows, it could be not impossible for a good defensive coordinator to improve as a head coach after like 5 seasons, just very very unlikely. However, I would not allow DA to mortgage the future to win now in 2024. I would restrict him from trading future draft picks and require that our 2025 salary cap picture not be top 3 in the amount we are over the cap. I would ask him to show he can beat other coaches on a level playing field and not just by burning more future resources in the present than otherwise more talented coaches to get a slight edge.

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Winning. It’s really that simple. A deep playoff run is the only way to quiet the masses.

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Dennis Allen isn't the GM. If you actually believe he's making the personnel decisions you are even more less informed than I had thought. It's amazing how you twist everything into your hatred of the accounting philosophy of Loomis and company.

:D

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You are wading too been into semantics. This post is a essentially a hypothetical where we are asked to put ourselves in the position of being GM, because that is who would hypothetically fire a coach. So in the context of this question Mickey Loomis does not exist or we 'are' Mickey Loomis. Further, although most head coaches do not make the final decision on player personnel moves, they often do have a lot of influence, can ask for certain players or positions of need, and are often granted those requests by GMs and/or owners. My point is that in the hypothetical context of this question, if I not Mickey or Gayle controlled DA's fate, I would presumably also have other powers, and if DA managed to scrape by enough with super weak schedule to buy himself another year such as say beating the Seahawks 24-21 in a home wildcard game and then losing to the Lions 35-28 in the next round, I would retain him but would not grant any of his requests to stretch the budget too far for 2024. I would make him prove it in 2024 with the draft picks we have and I would still let him spend more 2025 dollars in 2024 than most teams, but not top 3 like we have have been doing. I would make him prove that he can win on his own merits not edge the lowly Falcons and Bucs by a game or so while spending a fortune more than they are spending. You don't win it all by going all in on a coach who can't win on a level playing field, you win it all by going all in and tilting the playing field when you already have a coach who has shown they can win on a level playing field, and I would ask DA to do that.

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If you were hypothetically Loomis you would most likely commit Hari Kari given the fact that you would hate yourself so badly.

:D

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No, if I was Loomis, Loomis would start making good decisions.

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We need a new Head Coach.

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Yep.

Last I checked DA finished 8-28 with Oakland.
So far in NOLA he is 11-14 :(.

Saints chose “continuity” & so far this team is still stuck in mediocrity.

You may recall Doug Pederson (proven, has a .600 win % with the Jags and a ring) really wanted the Saints gig :rolleyes:.

But yes, I completely agree.

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More than that
They need a change in scouting and overall philosophy

They'll be stuck in mediocrity for a long time paying for overpaying and extending players because they couldn't afford to cut them. The scouts are still revelling in how good they drafted in 2017. Whoever scouts and picks the DE needs firing out of a cannon

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I have no confidence in DA but your position is too extreme. If DA say beat the Seahawks, Lions, and Eagles to win the NFC and them fell to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, I would extend him. With this roster, it would be a better coaching job than Payton ever did. Our coordinators would be getting HC interviews. We have to separate what is very unlikely from the proper action if it happened. If DA wins the NFC I would be thrilled. If Zion Williamson finishes second in the NBA in minutes played I am ok with that. If Andrus Peat starts the rest of the season and allows 1 sack I would extend him. If Trequane Smith had 1200 yards receiving I would not have cut him looking for 1500. If Mickey Loomis got us down to the second most future cap space and draft picks stockpiled of any team I would be ok with him. DA as we know him can’t win the NFC, but in the very unlikely event he did I would recognize he has improved. Likewise and equally likely if we won the NFC due to our oline led by Penning, Hurst, and Peat manhandling the Eagles dline as Adam Prentice set an NFCCG record with 250 yards rushing, I would keep all four of them in 2024 too. I just dont see it as very likely.

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If we make the playoffs and win a game or two I would find it hard to fire him. I don't see that we have a roster to really compete for the title, mainly because of our problems at O-line.

What I would factor in if I was the GM, is an important thing that we as fans sadly see little of, is if DA still has the lockerroom. Does the players support and want to play for him? If that isn't the case its time to clean house.

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A coach being liked and supported is one thing, but you also cant win the big games with a coach who plays the ‘cool parent.’ Ultimately whether they do it with a smile or fear, a good coach needs to be able to lay down the law and make needed changes happen, not be every players unjudging friend who covers for them no matter what. This is more of my fear with Allen and Carmichael. If a coach is afraid to make needed changes and lacks authority, what you can sometimes see if the apathetic players professing strong support while the driven players act out.

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We need a new GM.

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In your slanted opinion they'd be good, no doubt.

;)

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No matter how this works out I'll be disappointed. I want my Saints to win but I desperately want Allen gone! My stomach is physically in knots about it. If the Saints lose every game there will at least be a silver lining. If the Saints win every game and win one playoff game, then we are likely stuck with this crappy coaching for another year. I'm ready to rip the Band-Aid off! No matter how much it hurts!

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For me: NFC south crown and at least 1 win in the playoffs.

It's Gail Benson who is the one who needs to be convinced he's got to go and I'm not sure she's looking to give anyone in the current regime the boot!

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I couldn't agree more with this sentiment.

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I believe it was NOF that said if DA fires Carmichael midseason, then the pressure is on him to turn things around the rest of the year and it is squarely on his shoulders to fix i now. If Carmichael stays, then Allen has a scapegoat and his job might be safe for another year while they groom the new OC to take over. God, I hope not.

Fire DA!

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Xanax time, Rugs. ;)

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So it’s Xanax that makes your sunglasses rosy. I thought you were just a Masochist. My apologies.