Dennis Allen pushes back on Alvin Kamara's identity assessment:

BakoSaint · 12-01-2023, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I don't know dizzle......it's awfully hard to build a franchise from the ground up. That's how you end up with top draft picks and a record like the Browns. Loomis is fine. If we hire a good HC he will bring in his own coaches and they have to be better than what we've got. The key is hiring the right coach....from outside the building!!!!

The Chiefs fired their GM in 2017 and won Super Bowls in 2020 and 2023. No recent Super Bowl winner has had a stale GM like Mickey Loomis who had been sitting in the GM chair for 21 years getting bored and raiding the liquor cabinet. Saying that if we make any changes we will become the Browns is fear mongering. If we get a GM who hasn't been in the job 21 years we will become the Chiefs, Rams, Bucs, Eagles, etc who all had newer GMs with newer ideas. The 'keep your GM until he dies because he won it all 15 years ago' argument is what made the Raiders the Raiders when Al Davis was washed as a GM. Mickey Loomis doesn't own the team. Don't give it to him.

nola_swammi · 12-06-2023, 03:24 AM

I am curious after COACH Payton assessment of previous coach of the Broncos, what his assessment will be of Dennis Allen.

TheOak · 12-06-2023, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

I am curious after COACH Payton assessment of previous coach of the Broncos, what his assessment will be of Dennis Allen.

You will never get that, Sean knows better and I believe there is a friendship between the two. Sean did say that he did not return to the Saints because of what that would mean for Dennis.

TheOak · 12-06-2023, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I don't know dizzle......it's awfully hard to build a franchise from the ground up. That's how you end up with top draft picks and a record like the Browns. Loomis is fine. If we hire a good HC he will bring in his own coaches and they have to be better than what we've got. The key is hiring the right coach....from outside the building!!!!

While you are not wrong, the chink in that is how the Head Coach is found. This is 4 minutes of Loomis telling us that the process used to find Sean Payton was abandoned as the process of finding his replacement.

Loomis is solely responsible for where we are now and that can not be ignored. While he explains why he decided to use a different process, and while it makes sense in the weeds, the 30 thousand foot view is that Mickey Loomis let the employees determine who their manager would be. No organization does that and for good reason. An eye for football talent is very different from an eye for coaching or football philosophy talent. All I can discern from Loomis and Allens football philosophy is keep doing what we are doing.

No one should be allowed to sh1t the bed at an executive level and just walk away from it. Loomis needs to be kept as Cap/Contract manager but a firm should be hired by Gayle to find a new GM that has a football acumen.

https://youtu.be/GULzAozjjLU?si=UQ3TyjaYbpzuI7b6

neugey · 12-06-2023, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Saying that if we make any changes we will become the Browns is fear mongering.

The Browns are sitting at 7-5 even with their best player on season ending IR and a MASH unit at QB in the toughest division in football behind capable coaching. The Browns suckage is sounding pretty good lately.

K Major · 12-06-2023, 08:49 AM

On the topic of "push back", now I've heard another player voice (WWL) his frustration with this season. Khalen Saunders.
Good player for KC, joins New Orleans & rarely do we mention his name each week.

I'm paraphasing here but basically said preparation leading up to game day Sunday has been poor. That would explain some of the SLOW starts you have been seeing.

That is a direct reflection of the lack of leadership at the head coaching position.

Rugby Saint II · 12-06-2023, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

The Chiefs fired their GM in 2017 and won Super Bowls in 2020 and 2023. No recent Super Bowl winner has had a stale GM like Mickey Loomis who had been sitting in the GM chair for 21 years getting bored and raiding the liquor cabinet. Saying that if we make any changes we will become the Browns is fear mongering. If we get a GM who hasn't been in the job 21 years we will become the Chiefs, Rams, Bucs, Eagles, etc who all had newer GMs with newer ideas. The 'keep your GM until he dies because he won it all 15 years ago' argument is what made the Raiders the Raiders when Al Davis was washed as a GM. Mickey Loomis doesn't own the team. Don't give it to him.

Who is going to hire the new GM? And please don't anyone suggest Ireland taking over. He's failed once already as HC and I'm sick of retreads and inhouse hires. We need new sharp smart people in the building coming in from innovative franchises.

Sinner · 12-06-2023, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Who is going to hire the new GM? And please don't anyone suggest Ireland taking over. He's failed once already as HC and I'm sick of retreads and inhouse hires. We need new sharp smart people in the building coming in from innovative franchises.

We need a new Owner.

neugey · 12-06-2023, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Who is going to hire the new GM? And please don't anyone suggest Ireland taking over. He's failed once already as HC and I'm sick of retreads and inhouse hires. We need new sharp smart people in the building coming in from innovative franchises.

In this scenario I'd like to see someone step in as a hiring consultant who knows football and has not been indoctrinated by the current regime yet has New Orleans' interests at heart. Someone like Terry Bradshaw.

Rugby Saint II · 12-06-2023, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

In this scenario I'd like to see someone step in as a hiring consultant who knows football and has not been indoctrinated by the current regime yet has New Orleans' interests at heart. Someone like Terry Bradshaw.

Terry Bradshaw tried to buy the team when we were in trouble before. I could go that route.

12-01-2023, 08:32 PM	#21
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,408	Re: Dennis Allen pushes back on Alvin Kamara's identity assessment: Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I don't know dizzle......it's awfully hard to build a franchise from the ground up. That's how you end up with top draft picks and a record like the Browns. Loomis is fine. If we hire a good HC he will bring in his own coaches and they have to be better than what we've got. The key is hiring the right coach....from outside the building!!!! The Chiefs fired their GM in 2017 and won Super Bowls in 2020 and 2023. No recent Super Bowl winner has had a stale GM like Mickey Loomis who had been sitting in the GM chair for 21 years getting bored and raiding the liquor cabinet. Saying that if we make any changes we will become the Browns is fear mongering. If we get a GM who hasn't been in the job 21 years we will become the Chiefs, Rams, Bucs, Eagles, etc who all had newer GMs with newer ideas. The 'keep your GM until he dies because he won it all 15 years ago' argument is what made the Raiders the Raiders when Al Davis was washed as a GM. Mickey Loomis doesn't own the team. Don't give it to him. neugey and Sinner like this.
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12-06-2023, 03:24 AM	#22
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Dennis Allen pushes back on Alvin Kamara's identity assessment: I am curious after COACH Payton assessment of previous coach of the Broncos, what his assessment will be of Dennis Allen.

12-06-2023, 04:48 AM	#23
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Dennis Allen pushes back on Alvin Kamara's identity assessment: Originally Posted by nola_swammi I am curious after COACH Payton assessment of previous coach of the Broncos, what his assessment will be of Dennis Allen. You will never get that, Sean knows better and I believe there is a friendship between the two. Sean did say that he did not return to the Saints because of what that would mean for Dennis.

12-06-2023, 06:19 AM	#24
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Dennis Allen pushes back on Alvin Kamara's identity assessment: Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I don't know dizzle......it's awfully hard to build a franchise from the ground up. That's how you end up with top draft picks and a record like the Browns. Loomis is fine. If we hire a good HC he will bring in his own coaches and they have to be better than what we've got. The key is hiring the right coach....from outside the building!!!! While you are not wrong, the chink in that is how the Head Coach is found. This is 4 minutes of Loomis telling us that the process used to find Sean Payton was abandoned as the process of finding his replacement. Loomis is solely responsible for where we are now and that can not be ignored. While he explains why he decided to use a different process, and while it makes sense in the weeds, the 30 thousand foot view is that Mickey Loomis let the employees determine who their manager would be. No organization does that and for good reason. An eye for football talent is very different from an eye for coaching or football philosophy talent. All I can discern from Loomis and Allens football philosophy is keep doing what we are doing. No one should be allowed to sh1t the bed at an executive level and just walk away from it. Loomis needs to be kept as Cap/Contract manager but a firm should be hired by Gayle to find a new GM that has a football acumen. https://youtu.be/GULzAozjjLU?si=UQ3TyjaYbpzuI7b6 Sinner, K Major and Mr.Riaton like this.
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12-06-2023, 08:24 AM	#25
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,876 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Dennis Allen pushes back on Alvin Kamara's identity assessment: Originally Posted by BakoSaint Saying that if we make any changes we will become the Browns is fear mongering. The Browns are sitting at 7-5 even with their best player on season ending IR and a MASH unit at QB in the toughest division in football behind capable coaching. The Browns suckage is sounding pretty good lately. Sinner, K Major and Mr.Riaton like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dennis Allen pushes back on Alvin Kamara's identity assessment: On the topic of "push back", now I've heard another player voice (WWL) his frustration with this season. Khalen Saunders. Good player for KC, joins New Orleans & rarely do we mention his name each week. I'm paraphasing here but basically said preparation leading up to game day Sunday has been poor. That would explain some of the SLOW starts you have been seeing. That is a direct reflection of the lack of leadership at the head coaching position. neugey, Sinner and Mr.Riaton like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Re: Dennis Allen pushes back on Alvin Kamara's identity assessment: Originally Posted by BakoSaint The Chiefs fired their GM in 2017 and won Super Bowls in 2020 and 2023. No recent Super Bowl winner has had a stale GM like Mickey Loomis who had been sitting in the GM chair for 21 years getting bored and raiding the liquor cabinet. Saying that if we make any changes we will become the Browns is fear mongering. If we get a GM who hasn't been in the job 21 years we will become the Chiefs, Rams, Bucs, Eagles, etc who all had newer GMs with newer ideas. The 'keep your GM until he dies because he won it all 15 years ago' argument is what made the Raiders the Raiders when Al Davis was washed as a GM. Mickey Loomis doesn't own the team. Don't give it to him. Who is going to hire the new GM? And please don't anyone suggest Ireland taking over. He's failed once already as HC and I'm sick of retreads and inhouse hires. We need new sharp smart people in the building coming in from innovative franchises.

12-06-2023, 02:44 PM	#28
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: Dennis Allen pushes back on Alvin Kamara's identity assessment: Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Who is going to hire the new GM? And please don't anyone suggest Ireland taking over. He's failed once already as HC and I'm sick of retreads and inhouse hires. We need new sharp smart people in the building coming in from innovative franchises. We need a new Owner.
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12-06-2023, 02:48 PM	#29
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,876 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Dennis Allen pushes back on Alvin Kamara's identity assessment: Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Who is going to hire the new GM? And please don't anyone suggest Ireland taking over. He's failed once already as HC and I'm sick of retreads and inhouse hires. We need new sharp smart people in the building coming in from innovative franchises. In this scenario I'd like to see someone step in as a hiring consultant who knows football and has not been indoctrinated by the current regime yet has New Orleans' interests at heart. Someone like Terry Bradshaw. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Re: Dennis Allen pushes back on Alvin Kamara's identity assessment: Originally Posted by neugey In this scenario I'd like to see someone step in as a hiring consultant who knows football and has not been indoctrinated by the current regime yet has New Orleans' interests at heart. Someone like Terry Bradshaw. Terry Bradshaw tried to buy the team when we were in trouble before. I could go that route.