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Sinner 01-29-2024 10:25 AM

AFTER WATCHING TEAMS PLAY CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL THIS WEEKEND, I’LL SAY THIS:
 
Saints front office is WEAK. PERIOD.

neugey 01-29-2024 10:30 AM

Re: AFTER WATCHING TEAMS PLAY CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL THIS WEEKEND, I’LL SAY THIS:
 
Hmm I still think we need a new head coach

Sinner 01-29-2024 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 992089)
Hmm I still think we need a new head coach

Tell the front office. Or, we can hope to remain “competitive” in the most pathetic division in the league, while $ucking @ss less than a few other teams, and be happy.

K Major 01-29-2024 11:02 AM

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What's the hold up on the new OC? ....

They've interviewed a lot of guys. Just make a decision.

Senior Bowl is THIS WEEKEND. Saints need all eyes, coaches, trainers & scouts on tap.

SmashMouth 01-29-2024 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 992096)
What's the hold up on the new OC? ....

They've interviewed a lot of guys. Just make a decision.

Senior Bowl is THIS WEEKEND. Saints need all eyes, coaches, trainers & scouts on tap.

Does it mean they're targeting one of the coaches still remaining in the playoffs?

stickman 01-29-2024 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 992100)
Does it mean they're targeting one of the coaches still remaining in the playoffs?

Good point. I haven't kept up with the rumors, but if they had asked permission to talk to someone word would have gotten out.

AsylumGuido 01-29-2024 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 992100)
Does it mean they're targeting one of the coaches still remaining in the playoffs?

I think several teams are waiting for the games to play out when all coaching prospects are available.

As for the Senior Bowl that was mentioned, I can't imagine there's any team out there that has anything new to learn from the players in that game. No doubt all 32 teams will be in attendance, but from what I've heard it's as much for networking as it is for scouting. There should be a good deal of casual interviewing taking place in Mobile.

K Major 01-29-2024 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 992100)
Does it mean they're targeting one of the coaches still remaining in the playoffs?

Possibly. I would prefer ANYONE from the Kyle Shanahan (Klint Kubiak) or McVay (Zac R - recently hired in Atlanta) coaching tree.

IIRC Underhill stated that he expects a hire to be made (this week) during senior bowl week.

At this point, I'd be ok with Jerrod Johnson, however I see he is scheduled to interview with the Bucs soon. His work with CJ Stroud in 2023 was rather impressive. Carr needs all of the help he can get. Even at age 32 :eek: Take Geno Smith (33) for example. He improved quit a bit last season with Shane Waldron (McVay tree) as his OC.

SmashMouth 01-29-2024 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 992088)
Saints front office is WEAK. PERIOD.

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 992089)
Hmm I still think we need a new head coach

There's also some thought by some that Saints whiffed on not retaining Dan Campbell in some capacity, and then elevating him to HC. Would you consider Dan Campbell's decisions in the NFCCG on foregoing the FGs similar to DAs decisions here on more than one occasion? Just how different do you guesstimate our fortunes here would have fared under Dan Campbell? It's the very same cap management team at the end of the day. Detroit took in our oft injured golden haired LB and made him a starter.

AsylumGuido 01-29-2024 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 992121)
There's also some thought by some that Saints whiffed on not retaining Dan Campbell in some capacity, and then elevating him to HC. Would you consider Dan Campbell's decisions in the NFCCG on foregoing the FGs similar to DAs decisions here on more than one occasion? Just how different do you guesstimate our fortunes here would have fared under Dan Campbell? It's the very same cap management team at the end of the day. Detroit took in our oft injured golden haired LB and made him a starter.

Dan Campbell has been catching hell all morning for his decision making. He looked more like Chargers' recently fired coach Brandon Staley with some of the in game moves than any sort of revolutionary head coach.

Let's not forget that part way through last season Campbell had a record of 4-19-1 as the Lions' Head Coach and Detroit fans were calling for him to be fired immediately. Let's just wait this out and see if he can bounce back.

Sinner 01-29-2024 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 992132)
Dan Campbell has been catching hell all morning for his decision making. He looked more like Chargers' recently fired coach Brandon Staley with some of the in game moves than any sort of revolutionary head coach.

Let's not forget that part way through last season Campbell had a record of 4-19-1 as the Lions' Head Coach and Detroit fans were calling for him to be fired immediately. Let's just wait this out and see if he can bounce back.

How funny … or sad, that here we are, talking about Dan Campbell bouncing back, when it’s Dennis Allen that needs to be bounced out of the building.

K Major 01-29-2024 01:12 PM

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Agreed Sin.

24-46 speaks for itself.

Just keep chopping wood though.

SmashMouth 01-29-2024 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 992134)
How funny … or sad, that here we are, talking about Dan Campbell bouncing back, when it’s Dennis Allen that needs to be bounced out of the building.

Probably true...

This will be DA's third year coming up, correct? And this was DC's third year. Does any correlation make sense in terms of allowing DA to flourish in his third year?

DC had arguably a tougher path to navigate to elevate Detroit to the NFCCG.

AsylumGuido 01-29-2024 01:19 PM

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:D

neugey 01-29-2024 01:24 PM

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Campbell is catching too much flak. If Reynolds doesn't drop those two passes or Aiyuk doesn't have his miracle catch the Lions had it locked up. It was just one of those snake-bitten games that teams like Lions, Vikings and us Saints are known for. The Ravens game had more regrettable coaching easily.

AsylumGuido 01-29-2024 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 992137)
Probably true...

This will be DA's third year coming up, correct? And this was DC's third year. Does any correlation make sense in terms of allowing DA to flourish in his third year?

DC had arguably a tougher path to navigate to elevate Detroit to the NFCCG.

Campbell's path was made a good deal smoother by the Packers losing their future Hall of Fame QB prior to the season and the Vikings losing their starting QB, as well, with Nick Mullens and Jaren Hall both starting multiple games. Not to mention facing the powerhouse NFC South. LOL!

mapcow 01-29-2024 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 992140)
Campbell's path was made a good deal smoother by the Packers losing their future Hall of Fame QB prior to the season and the Vikings losing their starting QB, as well, with Nick Mullens and Jaren Hall both starting multiple games. Not to mention facing the powerhouse NFC South. LOL!

:rofl: NOT :beatnik:

K Major 01-29-2024 01:40 PM

Re: AFTER WATCHING TEAMS PLAY CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL THIS WEEKEND, I’LL SAY THIS:
 
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 992139)
Campbell is catching too much flak. If Reynolds doesn't drop those two passes or Aiyuk doesn't have his miracle catch the Lions had it locked up.

Too many critical drops by the WRs for sure & Williams also muffed a td.

Detroit had the Niners by the throat all first half. That 3rd quarter was brutal though.

But yeah, missed opportunities. Mr. Irrelevant and CMac came up BIG when they had to be.

Sinner 01-29-2024 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 992140)
Campbell's path was made a good deal smoother by the Packers losing their future Hall of Fame QB prior to the season and the Vikings losing their starting QB, as well, with Nick Mullens and Jaren Hall both starting multiple games. Not to mention facing the powerhouse NFC South. LOL!

^^^ THIS IS THE KIND OF SH*t you spew when you sprinkle LSD and Xanax powder over your shrooms.

jnormand 01-29-2024 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 992136)
Agreed Sin.

24-46 speaks for itself.

Just keep chopping wood though.

Hey I like chopping wood! But I get tired after a few minutes. Apparently they don’t.

Rugby Saint II 01-30-2024 03:50 PM

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Maybe the new OC can put up points to go with our top ten defense. We've got most of the pieces to get into the playoffs.

Sinner 01-30-2024 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 992226)
Maybe the new OC can put up points to go with our top ten defense. We've got most of the pieces to get into the playoffs.

Dat be some funny sheet right there. ^^^

K Major 01-30-2024 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 992226)
Maybe the new OC can put up points to go with our top ten defense. We've got most of the pieces to get into the playoffs.

Top 10? Saints defense? I missed that one Rugs.

Saints gave up a ton on the ground in 2023 & probably ranked bottom half in pressures/sacks.

Sinner 01-30-2024 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 992240)
Top 10? Saints defense? I missed that one Rugs.

Saints gave up a ton on the ground in 2023 & probably ranked bottom half in pressures/sacks.

And we need a new Head Coach.

iceshack149 01-30-2024 04:57 PM

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:deadhorse2:


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Not much left...

Sinner 01-30-2024 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 992246)

The horse AINT dead yet. Give it a few more years.

Rugby Saint II 01-31-2024 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 992247)
The horse AINT dead yet. Give it a few more years.

Then give them a bigger stick. Don't let the poor thing suffer. :dunce:

Rugby Saint II 01-31-2024 03:31 PM

Re: AFTER WATCHING TEAMS PLAY CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL THIS WEEKEND, I’LL SAY THIS:
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 992240)
Top 10? Saints defense? I missed that one Rugs.

Saints gave up a ton on the ground in 2023 & probably ranked bottom half in pressures/sacks.

It's hard to be a great defense when your offense never let's you catch your breath before sending them back out there. We could do much worse. I know. I've lived through it.

AsylumGuido 01-31-2024 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 992348)
It's hard to be a great defense when your offense never let's you catch your breath before sending them back out there. We could do much worse. I know. I've lived through it.

FYI, Rugs, 2023 Saints finished 7th in fewest points allowed and 13th in fewest total yards allowed. The defense also finished 4th in takeaways with 29, two fewer than the Ravens and Giants who led the league with 31 each. The defense did have some issues, of course, and much of it did come at the hands of the offensive playcalling putting them in such poor situations as you accurately pointed out. All of the slow starts allowed opponents to lean more heavily on the run, so of course that would show up as bigger run totals. It makes perfect sense.

Down the stretch our defense looked markedly better, but then again, so did the offense.

All in all, people can cherry pick and find both good and bad statistics to satisfy their needs.

Sinner 01-31-2024 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 992359)
FYI, Rugs, 2023 Saints finished 7th in fewest points allowed and 13th in fewest total yards allowed. The defense also finished 4th in takeaways with 29, two fewer than the Ravens and Giants who led the league with 31 each. The defense did have some issues, of course, and much of it did come at the hands of the offensive playcalling putting them in such poor situations as you accurately pointed out. All of the slow starts allowed opponents to lean more heavily on the run, so of course that would show up as bigger run totals. It makes perfect sense.

Down the stretch our defense looked markedly better, but then again, so did the offense.

All in all, people can cherry pick and find both good and bad statistics to satisfy their needs.

The actual bowl of cherries that matters, is sitting on the table, next to the other assorted snacks that other fans get to pick and feast on while our boys sit at home doing the same, watching other teams in the playoffs.

K Major 01-31-2024 06:43 PM

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Yep.

Excuses is why you’re at home.

I’m not here to sugarcoat under performing coaches and players.

Especially considering how WEAK the NFC South has been last 2 seasons.

K Major 01-31-2024 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 992348)
It's hard to be a great defense when your offense never let's you catch your breath before sending them back out there. We could do much worse. I know. I've lived through it.

Sounds like a Saints problem to me.

Question is, what will they do in the off season to overcome objections on offense & special teams? You do a better job of coaching, scouting and preparing your team each and every week. Not sit up on the podium after taking an L & say “we gotta do a better job …” yada, yada, yada :rolleyes:.

Good teams find solutions, not excuses. The NFL is hard for a reason.

A good place to start is the 2024 draft. 2017 was a long time ago & the Saints have a lot of work to do.

Rugby Saint II 02-06-2024 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 992375)
Sounds like a Saints problem to me.

Question is, what will they do in the off season to overcome objections on offense & special teams? You do a better job of coaching, scouting and preparing your team each and every week. Not sit up on the podium after taking an L & say “we gotta do a better job …” yada, yada, yada :rolleyes:.

Good teams find solutions, not excuses. The NFL is hard for a reason.

A good place to start is the 2024 draft.
2017 was a long time ago & the Saints have a lot of work to do.

We only have two picks in the first two rounds of the draft this year. We don't pick again until the fifth round where we should receive a few comp picks. In 2017 Jeff Ireland had two first round, one second round and three third round picks. We had five picks in the top one hundred and then we picked Trey Hendrickson at pick 103.

The point is that Ireland had much more ammo to work with in 2017 than he has this year. I fully expect us to find away back into the second round where we usually pick very well. Foskey could still be a good player after getting accustomed to the NFL. He had to adjust to the size and speed of the players, his playbook, and what his responsibilities are. But we must get better in the trenches.

K Major 02-06-2024 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 992657)
We only have two picks in the first two rounds of the draft this year. We don't pick again until the fifth round where we should receive a few comp picks. In 2017 Jeff Ireland had two first round, one second round and three third round picks. We had five picks in the top one hundred and then we picked Trey Hendrickson at pick 103.

The point is that Ireland had much more ammo to work with in 2017 than he has this year. I fully expect us to find away back into the second round where we usually pick very well. Foskey could still be a good player after getting accustomed to the NFL. He had to adjust to the size and speed of the players, his playbook, and what his responsibilities are. But we must get better in the trenches.

See Detroit Lions 2021 & 2022 draft. In just 2 short seasons, they turned it around & was a play or two away from going to the Super Bowl THIS YEAR.

Copy cat league. Make those 5 picks count.

The Saints braintrust need to figure it out this off season & not focus on what they don't have.

Contenders do serious work in the off season & solve problems on how to improve & get better so they can compete in late January.


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