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Boston Saint 05-12-2024 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 995863)
In my opinion Peat was sabotaged by the Saints drafting him to play him out of position but as an occasional backup for his true position behind Armstead who was often injured. Peat has always been a decent left tackle. He can’t play right tackle because he cant adjust to the right side and is inconsistent as a guard because of his lanky build. So the plan was to play him out of position but occasionally rotate him to his true position just to keep him guessing. At left tackle last year he was decent, but if he is asked to play every position he will get hurt. At least he can play one more position than Penning though.

May I ask what your definition of sabotaged is Bako?

Boston Saint 05-12-2024 10:42 PM

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Heard we signed Lucas Patrick to the O Line.

https://sports.yahoo.com/saints-agre...020632134.html

BakoSaint 05-12-2024 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 995995)
May I ask what your definition of sabotaged is Bako?

Perhaps I should say he was ‘set up to fail.’ He was a top left tackle prospect drafted #13 overall and the Saints invested all that in him, then expected him to play out of position at a less valuable position for no good reason, because they already had a left tackle and Mickey Loomis couldnt trafe back because its against his religion. But at the same time as forcing a top prospect to play out of position, the saints expected him to occasionally jump into his true position. I get it when some later pick whose ability is doubted is asked to change position, but if a player goes #13 overall the team that takes them should let them either play their natural position or a more valuable position. You shouldnt pick a player #13 overall and then force them to switch to a less valuable position and become a utility player who mops up for whatever position someone else is injured. It destroyed his confidence and development.

Crusader 05-13-2024 04:09 AM

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AsylumGuido 05-13-2024 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 995994)
Peat's salary was not sabotaged, however.

Have you seen the salaries of offensive linemen across the league recently?

Peat got an average of $11.5M per year. There's 50 offensive linemen making that or more per year currently.

SmashMouth 05-13-2024 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 995999)
Have you seen the salaries of offensive linemen across the league recently?

Peat got an average of $11.5M per year. There's 50 offensive linemen making that or more per year currently.

Current salaries are offensive... and overvalued. The reference was to his previous compensation as a Saint, not as a projection as a previous Saint.

AsylumGuido 05-13-2024 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 996003)
Current salaries are offensive... and overvalued. The reference was to his previous compensation as a Saint, not as a projection as a previous Saint.

Current salaries are driven directly by the salary cap by way of revenues. The league is required by the CBA to commit between 48% and 49% of total revenues to player salaries via the cap. The league is required to spend 95% of that cap as a whole. Current salaries are not offensive nor overvalued. They are mandated and thus contractually valued accordingly. I have never had, nor ever will, have any issue with what any player gets paid. They are worth precisely what their employer is willing, and able, to pay.

SmashMouth 05-13-2024 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 996003)
Current salaries are offensive... and overvalued. The reference was to his previous compensation as a Saint, not as a projection as a previous Saint.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 996005)
Current salaries are driven directly by the salary cap by way of revenues. The league is required by the CBA to commit between 48% and 49% of total revenues to player salaries via the cap. The league is required to spend 95% of that cap as a whole. Current salaries are not offensive nor overvalued. They are mandated and thus contractually valued accordingly. I have never had, nor ever will, have any issue with what any player gets paid. They are worth precisely what their employer is willing, and able, to pay.

This was not a discussion on how the CBA structured the salaries as a result of the contracts, but rather a fan's, many fans really, perspective on just how insane salaries have become and unaffordable they are for the average fan and more important, in particular to the point that Peat was far from cheated in terms of his compensation with the Saints. His new contract with another team has nothing to do with his previous compensation when he was a Saint for the sake of this discussion.

Many players have been the beneficiary of overinflated contracts. There are many more examples and more obvious ones to boot than what Peat was compensated as a Saint.

AsylumGuido 05-13-2024 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 996007)
This was not a discussion on how the CBA structured the salaries as a result of the contracts, but rather a fan's, many fans really, perspective on just how insane salaries have become and unaffordable they are for the average fan and more important, in particular to the point that Peat was far from cheated in terms of his compensation with the Saints. His new contract with another team has nothing to do with his previous compensation when he was a Saint for the sake of this discussion.

Many players have been the beneficiary of overinflated contracts. There are many more examples and more obvious ones to boot than what Peat was compensated as a Saint.

The average fan doesn't pay the salaries. Billionaire owners pay the salaries with less than half the revenues they receive from mostly broadcasting rights. After limited taxes they pocket the rest. Players deserve every last penny they can get. They are the ones putting their bodies on the line for our entertainment and billions into the pockets of the owners. One could rightly argue that they are vastly underpaid. I honestly can't understand why any fan would have a reason to begrudge what any player gets paid any more than what any other person would begrudge whatever those of us are paid. It's none of their business as far as I can see, just as it's not really our business what the players get paid. At least that's the way I see it.

AsylumGuido 05-13-2024 02:45 PM

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And, yes, ticket prices keep increasing but that has nothing to do with what players are getting paid. It continues to increase because we as fans are willing to pay more, not because it's needed for player compensation. That comes from the skyrocketing broadcast rights. More and more broadcast entities are getting into the fray wanting a piece of the live audiences. The bidding will continue to drive up the revenues even if tickets were free.


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