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Danno 02-06-2024 10:20 PM

Dennis Allen is the NFL's best defensive play caller
 
Dennis Allen is the NFL's best defensive play caller

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NFL analyst Steve Patton ranked every defensive play caller from the 2023 season based on what he calls “coverage and market efficiency with team constraints” which examines how each defense performed relative to absences (for injuries and suspensions) and quality of opposition, among other factors.

And Allen came out on top. You don’t need to invent new metrics to see why. He fielded the league’s fourth-best defense on third downs (allowing a conversion on just 34.5% of downs) and the third-best unit on fourth downs (42.3%, with opponents going 11-for-26). Despite getting little production from his pass rush — the Saints finished with the NFL’s second-lowest pressure rate (15.1%) and fourth-worst sacks rate (5.7%) — Allen’s secondary held up even with Marshon Lattimore missing seven games to an injury. They allowed the 10th-fewest passing yards per game (207.3) and tied for the third-most interceptions (18).

But they weren’t perfect. Allen hasn’t been able to micromanage the run defense after being promoted to head coach, and it shows: even after drafting a first-round defensive tackle and signing two veteran free agents, New Orleans finished inside the bottom-10 in both yards per carry (4.4) and rushing yards per game (119.9). And he has to take the blame for a Saints pass rush that was asleep at the wheel for much of the season. Of their 34 sacks on the season, 15 came in the last five games. Allen’s reluctance to use undersized pass rushers like Zack Baun until the season was effectively over is a major blind spot in his coaching philosophy.
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Sinner 02-06-2024 10:36 PM

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Is he still around?

saintsfan1976 02-07-2024 04:22 AM

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And replacing his entire offensive staff may have been his greatest call.

Patiently optimistic.

AsylumGuido 02-07-2024 08:05 AM

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I was looking for a place to post that, Danno. It didn't fit anywhere so its own thread works best.

I'm expecting Allen to give Kubiak a lot of autonomy when it comes to the offense. Let Dennis keep tight reins on the defense.

dizzle88 02-07-2024 08:59 AM

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In the second half yes.

Not in the first half when we get outscored by 27 points.

Sinner 02-07-2024 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 992712)
I was looking for a place to post that, Danno. It didn't fit anywhere so its own thread works best.

I'm expecting Allen to give Kubiak a lot of autonomy when it comes to the offense. Let Dennis keep tight reins on the defense.

He couldn’t keep tight reins on his own shoelaces.

AsylumGuido 02-07-2024 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 992720)
In the second half yes.

Not in the first half when we get outscored by 27 points.

When did that happen? We only gave up 27 or more points in a game five times all season. None of those games had that many scored in the first half.

:confused:

Rugby Saint II 02-08-2024 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 992723)
When did that happen? We only gave up 27 or more points in a game five times all season. None of those games had that many scored in the first half.

:confused:

I think he was being facetious. He has a good point though.

dizzle88 02-08-2024 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 992723)
When did that happen? We only gave up 27 or more points in a game five times all season. None of those games had that many scored in the first half.

:confused:

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 992796)
I think he was being facetious. He has a good point though.

Yeah I'll admit the 27 points was over the top lol

However, it is a fact that Dennis Allen's Defense plays better in the second half.

Not saying it's all his fault because the offense definitely didn't help the D out much.

However there were must win games where we were in such a hole from the first half, that whilst his D played well in the second half, it was too little too late.

Vikings game - 24 points allowed 1st half, 3 points allowed 2nd half

Lions game - 24 points allowed 1st half, 9 points allowed 2nd half

Houston game - 17 points allowed 1st half, 3 points allowed 2nd half

As I say, not all on his D as the offense was inept for 3/4 of the season, but I don't quite believe Dennis Allens "half time adjustments are overrated" quip, when the stats absolutely back up that his team is better in the 2nd half.

In fact, the way the games went was a microcosm of how the season went. Dug a hole, worked to get out of it, got hot near the end when it was already too late.

K Major 02-08-2024 03:42 PM

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Better bolster up that pass rush in 2024.

Hebert, Mahomes, Dak, Mayfield, Hurts, Love & Atl (X) can all scramble & are surgeons when they have time to throw.

Quality DL & DE play is needed and necessary.

AsylumGuido 02-08-2024 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 992796)
I think he was being facetious. He has a good point though.

Yeah, I was being a little facetious, too. :D

bobdog86 02-08-2024 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 992809)
Better bolster up that pass rush in 2024.

Hebert, Mahomes, Dak, Mayfield, Hurts, Love & Atl (X) can all scramble & are surgeons when they have time to throw.

Quality DL & DE play is needed and necessary.

i personally think this is priority 1

saintsfan1976 02-09-2024 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 992806)
Yeah I'll admit the 27 points was over the top lol

However, it is a fact that Dennis Allen's Defense plays better in the second half.

Not saying it's all his fault because the offense definitely didn't help the D out much.

However there were must win games where we were in such a hole from the first half, that whilst his D played well in the second half, it was too little too late.

Vikings game - 24 points allowed 1st half, 3 points allowed 2nd half

Lions game - 24 points allowed 1st half, 9 points allowed 2nd half

Houston game - 17 points allowed 1st half, 3 points allowed 2nd half

As I say, not all on his D as the offense was inept for 3/4 of the season, but I don't quite believe Dennis Allens "half time adjustments are overrated" quip, when the stats absolutely back up that his team is better in the 2nd half.

In fact, the way the games went was a microcosm of how the season went. Dug a hole, worked to get out of it, got hot near the end when it was already too late.

Older players take longer to warm up.

K Major 02-09-2024 07:59 AM

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Go find you a Will Anderson Jr (Texans DROY) in round 1.

Gotta generate a legit pass rush.

saintsfan1976 02-09-2024 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 992831)
Go find you a Will Anderson Jr (Texans DROY) in round 1.

Gotta generate a legit pass rush.

Or use the guy you traded up for? Zach Baun

AsylumGuido 02-09-2024 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 992833)
Or use the guy you traded up for? Zach Baun

Not every player drafted #2 overall ends up like Will Anderson. Chase Young was drafted by Washington with the #2 overall pick at the same position and he's been a huge disappointment. It's always a crap shoot via the draft.

K Major 02-09-2024 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 992833)
Or use the guy you traded up for? Zach Baun

Personally, I'd like to upgrade from Zach.

If we are talking Free agency, I'd prefer a guy like John Uche.

If we're looking in the 2024 draft, the kid from Bama Dallas Turner.

saintsfan1976 02-09-2024 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 992835)
Not every player drafted #2 overall ends up like Will Anderson. Chase Young was drafted by Washington with the #2 overall pick at the same position and he's been a huge disappointment. It's always a crap shoot via the draft.

I don't understand your comparison to Zach Baun here.

K Major 02-09-2024 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 992838)
I don't understand your comparison to Zach Baun here.

Right.

Personally, the Saints as a team should ALWAYS be looking to get better at each and every position. Baun is a nice piece, however he is upgradable.


The lack of a consistent pass rush hurt us on the back end.

We gotta “hit” on these draft picks like Detroit & Texans have done.

bobdog86 02-09-2024 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 992839)
Right.

Personally, the Saints as a team should ALWAYS be looking to get better at each and every position. Baun is a nice piece, however he is upgradable.


The lack of a consistent pass rush hurt us on the back end.

We gotta “hit” on these draft picks like Detroit & Texans have done.

This here 100 percent. May not be a popular opinion but I believe every D line slot is upgradeable. To include LB position (Davis excluded). Competition is healthy. Young pushes old, old teaches the young.

AsylumGuido 02-09-2024 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 992838)
I don't understand your comparison to Zach Baun here.

I wasn't. I was comparing to Will Anderson in the comment you quoted. I set MajorK to ignore when he started sucking up to that sinner guy. I only see his comments when he quoted and he claims to only see mine in the same way.

Sorry that it was confusing. :(

Sinner 02-09-2024 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 992847)
I wasn't. I was comparing to Will Anderson in the comment you quoted. I set MajorK to ignore when he started sucking up to that sinner guy. I only see his comments when he quoted and he claims to only see mine in the same way.

Sorry that it was confusing. :(

You win the award for continuing to mention the names of people you set to IGNORE. You can put it on the mantle next to your “sucking up to the Divine Miss Gayle” award, your pom poms, your black and gold tutu, your rose colored glasses and your gallon jug of Xanax.

Rugby Saint II 02-09-2024 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 992841)
This here 100 percent. May not be a popular opinion but I believe every D line slot is upgradeable. To include LB position (Davis excluded). Competition is healthy. Young pushes old, old teaches the young.

We have to get after the QB! Oh, and we need to get better at stopping the run.:biggun:

Sinner 02-09-2024 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 992856)
We have to get after the QB! Oh, and we need to get better at stopping the run.:biggun:

We need a new Head Coach.

Rugby Saint II 02-10-2024 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 992858)
We need a new Head Coach.

I'm going to quit beating that drum until I see how well/poorly we look in training camp. You and I both know that DA is our coach next year and I'm trying to be more positive than I've been since we fell apart last year. Everything has been doom and gloom and it's depressing, to be honest. I was too emotionally involved last year and my broken heart left me bitter. Well, I'm over it now!

I really feel the need for a fresh outlook on my Saints. It's a new season with new promises and Klint Kubiak has given me good reason to be inspired again.
Let's start learning about the new coaches and players at the combine we should be watching, and try to find something to be positive about as we start a new season. Who Dat!:bng:

Oh, I agree with you that we definitely need a new head coach though. Maybe Kubiak forces him out if things go well.

K Major 02-10-2024 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 992851)
You win the award for continuing to mention the names of people you set to IGNORE. You can put it on the mantle next to your “sucking up to the Divine Miss Gayle” award, your pom poms, your black and gold tutu, your rose colored glasses and your gallon jug of Xanax.

Hey thanks for this quote.

Glad to see that the clown AG set me to ignore. Hopefully it stays that way. People who don’t agree with his bs post(s) he immediately calls them a “hater” & sets them to “ignore”.

By far the WORST poster on this platform.

Sinner 02-10-2024 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 992901)
Hey thanks for this quote.

Glad to see that the clown AG set me to ignore. Hopefully it stays that way. People who don’t agree with his bs post(s) he immediately calls them a “hater” & sets them to “ignore”.

By far the WORST poster on this platform.

For him, IGNORE means covering his eyes while leaving enough space between his fingers to watch what we say in quotes.

AsylumGuido 02-10-2024 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 992900)
I'm going to quit beating that drum until I see how well/poorly we look in training camp. You and I both know that DA is our coach next year and I'm trying to be more positive than I've been since we fell apart last year. Everything has been doom and gloom and it's depressing, to be honest. I was too emotionally involved last year and my broken heart left me bitter. Well, I'm over it now!

I really feel the need for a fresh outlook on my Saints. It's a new season with new promises and Klint Kubiak has given me good reason to be inspired again.
Let's start learning about the new coaches and players at the combine we should be watching, and try to find something to be positive about as we start a new season. Who Dat!:bng:

Oh, I agree with you that we definitely need a new head coach though. Maybe Kubiak forces him out if things go well.

That's mutually exclusive. If things go well DA stays. Maybe Kubiak gets hired away elsewhere. If it doesn't go well then DA and the entire staff is gone.

Sinner 02-11-2024 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 992909)
That's mutually exclusive. If things go well DA stays. Maybe Kubiak gets hired away elsewhere. If it doesn't go well then DA and the entire staff is gone.

“Things go well” = We beat Atlanta and take second place in the NFC South and miss the Playoffs again, and DA stays.

“Doesn’t go well” = The entire staff is gone, and we begin our next 12 year rebuild until the Dome sinks into a swamp.

Rugby Saint II 02-11-2024 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 992836)
Personally, I'd like to upgrade from Zach.

If we are talking Free agency, I'd prefer a guy like John Uche.

If we're looking in the 2024 draft, the kid from Bama Dallas Turner.

Does Turner fit the DE profile for the Saints?

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 992839)
Right.

Personally, the Saints as a team should ALWAYS be looking to get better at each and every position. Baun is a nice piece, however he is upgradable.

Baun has value but not enough.

The lack of a consistent pass rush hurt us on the back end.

We gotta “hit” on these draft picks like Detroit & Texans have done.


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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 992924)
“Things go well” = We beat Atlanta and take second place in the NFC South and miss the Playoffs again, and DA stays.

“Doesn’t go well” = The entire staff is gone, and we begin our next 12 year rebuild until the Dome sinks into a swamp.

We have a couple of alternatives. One: Kubiak turns the offense around and we still miss the playoffs again. Then DA is gone and Kubiak has a foot in the door for HC. Two: We are train wreck and the whole organization gets reorganized.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Kubiak come in and take over as the Alpha in the house while pumping some energy into our lifeless offense. If he does a good job and DA keeps doing what he's been doing then Kubiak could easily replace him. I'm looking at a win/win.

BakoSaint 02-11-2024 12:40 PM

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I would like to not upgrade as any positions except using the draft picks we have. Any cap money we have should be saved for giving us the option to get out of the Derek Carr deal if he delivers another uneven season or to avoid kicking the can down the road with players like Jordan or Ram if they continue to struggle with age and injury. Every other team in the league has the option to leverage some contracts via restructuring to get out of others. We can't do that if we leverage every contract on our books to get into others.

If Dennis Allen is such a great playcaller, he needs to call some great plays for the players we can afford with league average cap debt. If he can't do that, he is not a great play caller. Call the great players for Bresee and Foskey. Or find someone better in this draft, or a rookie free agency, or a minimum salary free agent. We are broke.


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