Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches.

Sinner · 07-09-2024, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We sucked far worse with Sean Payton 2014-2016 than we have with Allen. We were 6 games under .500. We're only one game under with Allen. I guess Payton sucked too, huh?

No. Payton was a completely different breed. FACT. We were blessed for a good minute there. Now go chew on a bar of soap.

Rugby Saint II · 07-09-2024, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We sucked far worse with Sean Payton 2014-2016 than we have with Allen. We were 6 games under .500. We're only one game under with Allen. I guess Payton sucked too, huh?

I do believe that we're talking apples and oranges here. Sean Payton had already taken a team fresh off Katrina to a Super bowl three years later while building a respectable record. He struggled because he held on to his old coaches too long and didn't evolve with fresh ideas and concepts. Nepotism is why he struggled.

In fact, that has been a team problem for way too long. Maybe it's because we are a family run business and not a greedy corporation that only cares about profit and public perception. The problem was our coaches weren't good enough to get poached and they were all drinking buddies.

When Payton cleaned house he brought in the right coaches. It looks like DA has done the same thing. In 2022 he cleared out most of the defensive coaches Payton hired and fielded a good defense. This year he let the offensive staff go and replaced thm with his people. Let's find out if it works.

Sinner · 07-15-2024, 08:34 PM

This isn’t a glowing endorsement for Dennis Allen. The New Orleans Saints head coach was graded worst among his peers by NBC Sports analyst Patrick Daugherty, clocking in at the bottom of the offseason coach rankings — at least among returning head coaches. The eight first-year coaches were also ranked beneath Allen, but that’s because they’re all relatively unknown quantities.

Unfortunately for Allen, we know exactly what he is and where his shortcomings lie. We’ll let Daugherty explain why Allen was ranked at No. 24 among the 24 head coaches returning from 2023:

“We lost a lot of bad coaches last winter. Arthur Smith, Brandon Staley, Josh McDaniels and Ron Rivera send their regards. That means we are left with the merely mediocre to round out our list. No one is more committed to the bit than Dennis Allen. A defensive coordinator trapped in a head coach’s body, Allen has treated Sean Payton’s leftover offense like a museum heirloom that disintegrates if you touch it. This is an attack that hasn’t innovated in three years, right down to banging Alvin Kamara between the tackles for no reason and rushing Taysom Hill onto the field any time there’s a critical down. Well, it’s not entirely true there’s been no innovation. Allen has decided to find out just how boring Drew Brees-style quarterbacking can become. Andy Dalton pushed the envelope in 2022. Derek Carr reached new heights in 2023. Allen, who admittedly takes care of business on defense, has finally moved on from Payton Ball on offense but replaced it with … Kubiak Ball. Not Gary, but Klint. It’s a fine system in a vacuum. It’s also become mummified under Klint, with no new wrinkles inserted since the Peyton Manning days in Denver. Maybe 2023 49ers passing-game coordinator Klint learned something under coach Kyle Shanahan. That’s what the Saints’ season and Allen’s future employment hinges on: This old Kubiak dog picking up some new Shanahan tricks. I suppose there are worse plans, but I’m not seeing many for 2024.”

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-16-2024, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

This isn’t a glowing endorsement for Dennis Allen. The New Orleans Saints head coach was graded worst among his peers by NBC Sports analyst Patrick Daugherty, clocking in at the bottom of the offseason coach rankings — at least among returning head coaches. The eight first-year coaches were also ranked beneath Allen, but that’s because they’re all relatively unknown quantities.

Unfortunately for Allen, we know exactly what he is and where his shortcomings lie. We’ll let Daugherty explain why Allen was ranked at No. 24 among the 24 head coaches returning from 2023:

“We lost a lot of bad coaches last winter. Arthur Smith, Brandon Staley, Josh McDaniels and Ron Rivera send their regards. That means we are left with the merely mediocre to round out our list. No one is more committed to the bit than Dennis Allen. A defensive coordinator trapped in a head coach’s body, Allen has treated Sean Payton’s leftover offense like a museum heirloom that disintegrates if you touch it. This is an attack that hasn’t innovated in three years, right down to banging Alvin Kamara between the tackles for no reason and rushing Taysom Hill onto the field any time there’s a critical down. Well, it’s not entirely true there’s been no innovation. Allen has decided to find out just how boring Drew Brees-style quarterbacking can become. Andy Dalton pushed the envelope in 2022. Derek Carr reached new heights in 2023. Allen, who admittedly takes care of business on defense, has finally moved on from Payton Ball on offense but replaced it with … Kubiak Ball. Not Gary, but Klint. It’s a fine system in a vacuum. It’s also become mummified under Klint, with no new wrinkles inserted since the Peyton Manning days in Denver. Maybe 2023 49ers passing-game coordinator Klint learned something under coach Kyle Shanahan. That’s what the Saints’ season and Allen’s future employment hinges on: This old Kubiak dog picking up some new Shanahan tricks. I suppose there are worse plans, but I’m not seeing many for 2024.”

Your typical trash. You liked this one so much you posted it in two different threads.

This is just typical for national media "Mom! I don't like them. They are boring me..."

Any team that doesn't have Mahommes, or Allen, or Jackson dazzling them every 3rd play gets this label.

So of course they will rank Allen below coaches who did worse than he did last year. Because he's boring.

SFIAH

Sinner · 07-16-2024, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Your typical trash. You liked this one so much you posted it in two different threads.

This is just typical for national media "Mom! I don't like them. They are boring me..."

Any team that doesn't have Mahommes, or Allen, or Jackson dazzling them every 3rd play gets this label.

So of course they will rank Allen below coaches who did worse than he did last year. Because he's boring.

SFIAH

Yes. He is boring.

07-09-2024, 03:15 PM	#1
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We sucked far worse with Sean Payton 2014-2016 than we have with Allen. We were 6 games under .500. We're only one game under with Allen. I guess Payton sucked too, huh? I do believe that we're talking apples and oranges here. Sean Payton had already taken a team fresh off Katrina to a Super bowl three years later while building a respectable record. He struggled because he held on to his old coaches too long and didn't evolve with fresh ideas and concepts. Nepotism is why he struggled. In fact, that has been a team problem for way too long. Maybe it's because we are a family run business and not a greedy corporation that only cares about profit and public perception. The problem was our coaches weren't good enough to get poached and they were all drinking buddies. When Payton cleaned house he brought in the right coaches. It looks like DA has done the same thing. In 2022 he cleared out most of the defensive coaches Payton hired and fielded a good defense. This year he let the offensive staff go and replaced thm with his people. Let's find out if it works. Sinner likes this.
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07-15-2024, 08:34 PM	#3
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,065	Re: Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches. This isn’t a glowing endorsement for Dennis Allen. The New Orleans Saints head coach was graded worst among his peers by NBC Sports analyst Patrick Daugherty, clocking in at the bottom of the offseason coach rankings — at least among returning head coaches. The eight first-year coaches were also ranked beneath Allen, but that’s because they’re all relatively unknown quantities. Unfortunately for Allen, we know exactly what he is and where his shortcomings lie. We’ll let Daugherty explain why Allen was ranked at No. 24 among the 24 head coaches returning from 2023: “We lost a lot of bad coaches last winter. Arthur Smith, Brandon Staley, Josh McDaniels and Ron Rivera send their regards. That means we are left with the merely mediocre to round out our list. No one is more committed to the bit than Dennis Allen. A defensive coordinator trapped in a head coach’s body, Allen has treated Sean Payton’s leftover offense like a museum heirloom that disintegrates if you touch it. This is an attack that hasn’t innovated in three years, right down to banging Alvin Kamara between the tackles for no reason and rushing Taysom Hill onto the field any time there’s a critical down. Well, it’s not entirely true there’s been no innovation. Allen has decided to find out just how boring Drew Brees-style quarterbacking can become. Andy Dalton pushed the envelope in 2022. Derek Carr reached new heights in 2023. Allen, who admittedly takes care of business on defense, has finally moved on from Payton Ball on offense but replaced it with … Kubiak Ball. Not Gary, but Klint. It’s a fine system in a vacuum. It’s also become mummified under Klint, with no new wrinkles inserted since the Peyton Manning days in Denver. Maybe 2023 49ers passing-game coordinator Klint learned something under coach Kyle Shanahan. That’s what the Saints’ season and Allen’s future employment hinges on: This old Kubiak dog picking up some new Shanahan tricks. I suppose there are worse plans, but I’m not seeing many for 2024.”
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07-16-2024, 12:23 AM	#4
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches. Originally Posted by Sinner This isn’t a glowing endorsement for Dennis Allen. The New Orleans Saints head coach was graded worst among his peers by NBC Sports analyst Patrick Daugherty, clocking in at the bottom of the offseason coach rankings — at least among returning head coaches. The eight first-year coaches were also ranked beneath Allen, but that’s because they’re all relatively unknown quantities. Unfortunately for Allen, we know exactly what he is and where his shortcomings lie. We’ll let Daugherty explain why Allen was ranked at No. 24 among the 24 head coaches returning from 2023: “We lost a lot of bad coaches last winter. Arthur Smith, Brandon Staley, Josh McDaniels and Ron Rivera send their regards. That means we are left with the merely mediocre to round out our list. No one is more committed to the bit than Dennis Allen. A defensive coordinator trapped in a head coach’s body, Allen has treated Sean Payton’s leftover offense like a museum heirloom that disintegrates if you touch it. This is an attack that hasn’t innovated in three years, right down to banging Alvin Kamara between the tackles for no reason and rushing Taysom Hill onto the field any time there’s a critical down. Well, it’s not entirely true there’s been no innovation. Allen has decided to find out just how boring Drew Brees-style quarterbacking can become. Andy Dalton pushed the envelope in 2022. Derek Carr reached new heights in 2023. Allen, who admittedly takes care of business on defense, has finally moved on from Payton Ball on offense but replaced it with … Kubiak Ball. Not Gary, but Klint. It’s a fine system in a vacuum. It’s also become mummified under Klint, with no new wrinkles inserted since the Peyton Manning days in Denver. Maybe 2023 49ers passing-game coordinator Klint learned something under coach Kyle Shanahan. That’s what the Saints’ season and Allen’s future employment hinges on: This old Kubiak dog picking up some new Shanahan tricks. I suppose there are worse plans, but I’m not seeing many for 2024.” Your typical trash. You liked this one so much you posted it in two different threads. This is just typical for national media "Mom! I don't like them. They are boring me..." Any team that doesn't have Mahommes, or Allen, or Jackson dazzling them every 3rd play gets this label. So of course they will rank Allen below coaches who did worse than he did last year. Because he's boring. SFIAH Sinner likes this.

07-16-2024, 01:05 AM	#5
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,065	Re: Touchdown Wire’s Jarrett Bailey ranked Allen 32nd among the NFL’s 32 head coaches. Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Your typical trash. You liked this one so much you posted it in two different threads. This is just typical for national media "Mom! I don't like them. They are boring me..." Any team that doesn't have Mahommes, or Allen, or Jackson dazzling them every 3rd play gets this label. So of course they will rank Allen below coaches who did worse than he did last year. Because he's boring. SFIAH Yes. He is boring.
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