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Re: Observations from Saints loss to Broncos in the Superdome 33-10

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Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 1003712)

Don't you mean Grigori Rasputin, now that dude was hard to get rid of.

I would take Rasputin’s corpse over this dud. Today.

Re: Observations from Saints loss to Broncos in the Superdome 33-10

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 1003714)

I think you have to look more closely at Loomis's actual words:

“Results matter. They do. But I think one of the things that good organizations do, is man, you look beyond the results. What’s the reasons for the result? How do you fix the reasons that keep you from winning?”

“It’s not always about the head coach. Sometimes it is. It’s about a lot of different variables. A lot of things are involved in winning.”

“So we’ll look at that when the time comes. But the time is not right now. We have a lot of games left.”

Nowhere in these quotes at least does Loomis say "Dennis Allen has my full support. Dennis Allen is doing a great job. Dennis Allen will be the Saints coach next year."

Saying that results matter and that you also need to look at the underlying reason for those results is true. You do have to do that. Using the phrase 'look beyond results' is an unfortunate gaffe, but in the context of also saying that results matter, it is clearly not meant to say to ignore results. Part of what he may be saying is that he needs to change his own strategy as a GM, which he appears to have done in the 2024 offseason by not trading up and not signing any blockbuster deals and starting to move on from some of the aging vets.

Sayings its not always about the head coach, but sometimes it is, is not much of an endorsement of DA. And again its very true.

Saying we will look at that when the time comes simply means the Saints may prefer to swing the axe in the 24 hours following the final game. There are advantages to waiting until the end of the season. We dont have great obvious interim coach options. Sometimes interim coaches get lucky on a few wins, get the permanent job without a competitive interview process, and waste years for an organization. Sometimes the process of selecting an interim coach leads to every assistant being interviewed, feeling slighted by not being hired, and losing assistants you would have liked to keep with the permanent coach. And if we lose out a lot this season, we get a better draft pick. Sometimes there is a psychological bounce with a new coach that helps the team win after they are fed up with the old coach. That bounce could be more valuable in a season that is not already mostly lost to a 2-5 record and 20 injuries.

If you look at Loomis's recent actions not his words, he does appear to be changing his ways in many respects. He may have gone all in on DA with words comparing him to legendary coaches but he did not go all in during the 2024 offseason with trading up in the draft, signing blockbuster free agents, giving veterans sweetheart extensions when past their prime to make Kamara and Lattimore Saints through their 40th birthdays, maxing out every last dollar of the cap, or drafting ridiculous raw project players. He completely changed from his previous course and made lots of practical conservative moves putting DA in a position of having to prove he was legendary by doing more with less, not less than other teams financially, but less than the blank check DA has had in the past. He even got a few veterans to take pay cuts. Loomis prepared for a rebuild. Then as the season came many fans demanded trades for Aiyuk, Backtiara, Adams, etc and Loomis never said no to these demands publicly and played along with whispers the Saints might make a big move but ultimately stayed on course for the ability to rebuild.

Through all of this I have doubted Loomis a great deal. I often expected him to pull the trigger on a franchise ruining trade to bring in Adams or trade up to draft Bowers or give Kamara a contract to match CMC that assumes his 30's will be just as productive as his 20's. But so far he has stayed the course with changing his ways. If you read between the lines, I don't see any endorsement of DA in 2025. And as long as 2025 is the big rebuild year to reset and clean up our cap for the future, 2025 does not matter a ton anyway. If Loomis retains Carr and DA for 2025 he is back to my **** list. But as long as Carr or DA is gone I am happy. If Carr is gone, the cap hit will make 2025 a rebuilding season, but Carr needs to be gone.

Ultimately, we don't want to become the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns became the Cleveland Browns by pinning their hopes on a mediocre QB's second act in Jeff Garcia and staying the course with a losing ex-Raiders coach in Hue Jackson.

Since Tom Benson’s passing, we have been in trouble. We are in trouble.

Re: Observations from Saints loss to Broncos in the Superdome 33-10

Broken femur for Adebo.

Re: Observations from Saints loss to Broncos in the Superdome 33-10

I broke my right-hand thumb fingernail. Could be out for the season.

Re: Observations from Saints loss to Broncos in the Superdome 33-10

Im still waiting (or just hoping) we get the news DA is fired. But it’s only crickets.

Re: Observations from Saints loss to Broncos in the Superdome 33-10

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Originally Posted by 4everSaint (Post 1003684)

And just from yesterday. We are fcked.

Mickey supports Allen

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...s-coach-fired/

Just saying, public declarations of support for a coach are quite often followed by that coach being fired.

Not sure what they do after that though.

Re: Observations from Saints loss to Broncos in the Superdome 33-10

It all start with Loomis. Look at your cap, look at how bad that dude manages it. Cam Jordan is a gazillion years old and look at what he is earning.

If you were smart you'd trade as many of your older talent as possible, stock as many picks as possible, and start new.

Everything begins and ends with your oline and dline.

Re: Observations from Saints loss to Broncos in the Superdome 33-10

My observation is that this team has no heart.

Re: Observations from Saints loss to Broncos in the Superdome 33-10

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 1003726)

Mickey Loomis had two of the worst offseasons by a general manager in NFL history in 2022 (losing Sean Payton, selecting DA as the replacement, trying to sign Deshaun Watson, giving CGJ to the Eagles for a 5th, and being fleeced by the Eagles in a trade) and 2023 (signing Derek Carr, keeping Pete Carmichael, giving tons of money to Cam Jordan for a 3 year 3 sack $30 million farewell tour, and keeping players like Michael Thomas, Andrus Peat, and Jameis Winston (when the team had no intent to play him).

But 2024 was not a bad offseason for Loomis. He totally changed his approach to the cap and didnt make dumb trades. If Mickey Loomis can take that 1 year chip and make it a 5 year chip and truly change his ways, he might not be the problem going forward. He is not a football guy, and if he brings in football guys while taking a more disciplines approach to spending and trades like he has done this year, we may be fine.

I agree that it would be smart to trade as much older talent as possible and stock as many picks as possible. But many of our older talent are not worth any draft picks because their salaries are more than their production is worth. Also cutting or trading too many of them at once would trigger dead cap hits that would put us over the cap. It was financially impossible to clean house last offseason but we could do it this offseason mostly. We do have some players who could have some trade value now, especially if we ate some of their salary, like possibly Kamara, Lattimore, Davis, Mathieu, maybe Hill, but for the most part only as 1 year rentals if we at part of their salary because nobody wants to pay most of their 2025 scheduled salaries, so it would be late picks.

Meanwhile there are many rosie fans who were convinced that even at 2-3 or 2-4 we were super bowl bound when McCoy came back and would have called for Loomis's head for trading Kamara or Lattimore, ignoring the finances and age, and saying you never trade your best whatever ever. We had to lose to make a trade tenable to more fans and now we are 2-5 and more may understand. A few weeks ago many were saying 'pay da man' to a 30-ish RB already scheduled to make $24 million who wanted more years of guarantees into his 30's.

We will see if we trade anyone for picks. I hope we do. I can see how it would have angered Loomis's base to trade anyone before but now that we are 2-5 I have hope. Maybe we could trade Kamara to the Cowboys or Broncos. Maybe a team could use Lattimore. We cannot possibly keep paying Taysom Hill $10 million a year when he is 35 to be the guy who is a hero one game by breaking his ribs and missing the next 3 with his age and style of play, so maybe we can get a pick for him as a 1 year rental since I think we already restructured his salary to $1 million. Maybe we could even trade Olave to the Chiefs since his concussion dont bode well for the longest career and when we are back to competing again, he may be in line for a risky contract, making a pick we could draft a young receiver with a better bet.

Re: Observations from Saints loss to Broncos in the Superdome 33-10

The head coach sucks on every level! The defensive coordinator should have been fired at halftime! The season is lost and I think they don’t really care. We’ll probably win a few more games against the lowlifes of the league, wait a minute, that’s us! 😂💩 I’m gettin a sense that they don’t care because they’re still making that money without winning and don’t give a 💩 about the fans!