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Halo 10-27-2024 06:25 PM

Observations from Saints loss at Chargers
 
They were the best of times; they were the worst of times. This year's incarnation of the New Orleans Saints definitely reminds us of the worst of times.

After starting 2-0, the Saints have now dropped 6 straight games and fall to 0-6. Sure, it was a hard-fought game, sure there were injuries, sure we missed key opportunities, sure we got flags because because.... but in the end...

THE SAINTS HAVE LOST 6 GAMES IN A ROW FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2005. Is this the worst of times... again??




Sinner 10-27-2024 06:27 PM

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Y’all don’t wanna hear it, but I’m saying that the divine Lady Miss Gayle is the problem. We got a big problem.

jnormand 10-27-2024 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 1004136)
Y’all don’t wanna hear it, but I’m saying that the divine Lady Miss Gayle is the problem. We got a big problem.

If she is the problem as you have mentioned, what do you propose? She sell the team to someone else and they move it somewhere else?

I really don’t understand what your goal is by saying this. I get that you’re upset. But whats your end game?

I think everyone hopes DA gets fired. I think most fans are on that boat. I feel like it’s gonna happen at the end of the season at the very latest. (Hopefully)

Sinner 10-27-2024 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 1004141)
If she is the problem as you have mentioned, what do you propose? She sell the team to someone else and they move it somewhere else?

I really don’t understand what your goal is by saying this. I get that you’re upset. But whats your end game?

I think everyone hopes DA gets fired. I think most fans are on that boat. I feel like it’s gonna happen at the end of the season at the very latest. (Hopefully)

I said, “We got a big problem”. That’s all. That’s a fact. As a fan, it’s not my job to fix it, but I would be a fool to deny it.

4everSaint 10-27-2024 07:14 PM

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Man come on. i saw some real positive attitudes from the guys walking around on the sidelines.

4everSaint 10-27-2024 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 1004141)
If she is the problem as you have mentioned, what do you propose? She sell the team to someone else and they move it somewhere else?

I really don’t understand what your goal is by saying this. I get that you’re upset. But whats your end game?

I think everyone hopes DA gets fired. I think most fans are on that boat. I feel like it’s gonna happen at the end of the season at the very latest. (Hopefully)

I think, for me personally, she just isn't as engaged as Tom was. I know she is older and all that. But damn, that man was down there dancing with his umbrella until he literally had to be told not to anymore. She is nowhere to be seen during the games.

She is literally invisible. Which I guess is fine. I don't need to see shots of her in the box at every game but dang, is she even there?

Sinner 10-27-2024 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 4everSaint (Post 1004144)
I think, for me personally, she just isn't as engaged as Tom was. I know she is older and all that. But damn, that man was down there dancing with his umbrella until he literally had to be told not to anymore. She is nowhere to be seen during the games.

She is literally invisible. Which I guess is fine. I don't need to see shots of her in the box at every game but dang, is she even there?

Even if she’s not around, you would think that someone would share the news about the situation, since she owns the team.

jnormand 10-27-2024 08:12 PM

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Someone said it earlier. Maybe Bill B is perfect for this franchise. He’s a good guy to take over a team that has management/owners that have no idea how to run a team.

Sinner 10-27-2024 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 1004149)
Someone said it earlier. Maybe Bill B is perfect for this franchise. He’s a good guy to take over a team that has management/owners that have no idea how to run a team.

His boxer shorts would inspire more fear and respect from the team than Dennis Allen.

spkb25 10-27-2024 08:41 PM

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Guido will be MIA for a week or so

neugey 10-27-2024 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 1004149)
Someone said it earlier. Maybe Bill B is perfect for this franchise. He’s a good guy to take over a team that has management/owners that have no idea how to run a team.


The problem is, I think Bill likes his new role as guest/special commentator on Manningcast and other platforms. Bill's a hard guy to read but it sure doesn't look like he has the itch to come back. For what it's worth, I think he's more interesting to hear from then Tom Brady.

4everSaint 10-27-2024 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 1004152)
Guido will be MIA for a week or so

And when shows, he will be telling us how awesome those 3 or 4 decent plays were. And how positive and awesome it is to hold hands and build around.

SmashMouth 10-27-2024 09:53 PM

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SmashMouth 10-27-2024 10:03 PM

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Sinner 10-27-2024 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 1004152)
Guido will be MIA for a week or so

He already stormed out of here mid-game, because we weren’t waving pompoms in the air.

SmashMouth 10-28-2024 02:09 AM

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TheOak 10-28-2024 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 1004141)
If she is the problem as you have mentioned, what do you propose? She sell the team to someone else and they move it somewhere else?

I really don’t understand what your goal is by saying this. I get that you’re upset. But what's your end game?

I think everyone hopes DA gets fired. I think most fans are on that boat. I feel like it’s gonna happen at the end of the season at the very latest. (Hopefully)

What is the goal by pointing out the Saints have a hamstrung unmotivated owner and General Manager?

I see fellow fans ponder/discuss/argue what moves should be made without consideration for the fact that no one within the organization is motivated to make any moves.

The Org Chart:
Gayle Benson: Tom wrote out his daughter and grandchildren so Gayle is the sole beneficiary of his estate which includes Saints and Pelicans. She has zero children, worth $6.1BN, and has zero passion for football. She has already outlined her intent to launch a foundation that would donate the proceeds of the teams’ eventual sale to charitable causes in south-east Louisiana and the surrounding region.


Mickey Loomis: Mickey is named in Tom Benson's will as second Executor in line for Tom Benson's estate. Even if you fire him, he has the best seat at the table eventually.

If Loomis were interested in a quality head coach he would have gone to a headhunter, someone that does this for a living, instead of having the proverbial locker room pick the next head coach. I still do not get how this got around the Rooney Rule... Well, I know how but those interviews were a waste of the candidates time. When you pick from within, that is the intent from the start.


Dennis Allen: If Allen had the character to step down, he wouldn't have accepted it in the first place. If Allen had the acumen required, he would have recognized that he is not suited for the job.


Gayle has already stated that she would not sell the team unless the sale had a guarantee of leaving the Saints in New Orleans.

This is all being said by people because this is the problem and every other discussion is about how to treat a symptom. Nothing is cured by only treating symptoms. So to spin it, I ask.. Why is everyone discussing things that cure nothing?

Sinner 10-28-2024 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 1004165)
What is the goal by pointing out the Saints have a hamstrung unmotivated owner and General Manager?

I see fellow fans ponder/discuss/argue what moves should be made without consideration for the fact that no one within the organization is motivated to make any moves.

The Org Chart:
Gayle Benson: Tom wrote out his daughter and grandchildren so Gayle is the sole beneficiary of his estate which includes Saints and Pelicans. She has zero children, worth $6.1BN, and has zero passion for football. She has already outlined her intent to launch a foundation that would donate the proceeds of the teams’ eventual sale to charitable causes in south-east Louisiana and the surrounding region.


Mickey Loomis: Mickey is named in Tom Benson's will as second Executor in line for Tom Benson's estate. Even if you fire him, he has the best seat at the table eventually.

If Loomis were interested in a quality head coach he would have gone to a headhunter, someone that does this for a living, instead of having the proverbial locker room pick the next head coach. I still do not get how this got around the Rooney Rule... Well, I know how but those interviews were a waste of the candidates time. When you pick from within, that is the intent from the start.


Dennis Allen: If Allen had the character to step down, he wouldn't have accepted it in the first place. If Allen had the acumen required, he would have recognized that he is not suited for the job.


Gayle has already stated that she would not sell the team unless the sale had a guarantee of leaving the Saints in New Orleans.

This is all being said by people because this is the problem and every other discussion is about how to treat a symptom. Nothing is cured by only treating symptoms. So to spin it, I ask.. Why is everyone discussing things that cure nothing?


THANK YOU SIR. EXACTLY!

vpheughan 10-28-2024 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 4everSaint (Post 1004155)
And when shows, he will be telling us how awesome those 3 or 4 decent plays were. And how positive and awesome it is to hold hands and build around.

He's Dancing and Singing Along to the song I wrote for him......"The Guido Shuffle" Copyright 2023 ALL INSULTS DESERVED!!!!


Guido missed the mark all ways on Gold and Black
But that wasn't all he missed, we all wish he wasn't comin' back
At a 'His Saints" bar in his dad's old car, he's such a joke
Just long enough for him to grab the handle of his yoke.......
Next stop, go to town, Guido put the K-Y down, let it stroke
He said, "One more insult oughta get it
One last tug 'fore he quit it
"One more jerk!!! for the LO-OO-AD"
Guido, L-O-L OH-OO!
He thinks he's funny, he lives for the show
Guido's nuthin but a-narcissistic hoe
Oh Guido!, L-O-L OH-OO!
He said, "More Movin The Chains" oughta get it
One last insult 'fore he quit it
One more for the ro-ooooad"
Guido be runnin', havin' great big fun until he got the note
Saying, "Shove the 54 Fairlane 500" 'cause it's such a joke
He be makin' like a moron headin' for the ticket line, goin' for broke
Sayin', "One more HASHTAG oughta do it
"I run This Group, ain't nothin' to it"
One more for the road"
Guido, L-O-L OH-OO!
He's not funny, he's not the show
Guido's an a-hole' on Black And Gold
Oh Guido!, L-O-L OH-OO!
"One more ignore ought to get 'IM
One last f*ck you, then we quit 'IM
One more for the Boo-oooo-ard"
Guido, L-O-L OH-OO!
He's not funny, he's not the show
Guido's a-loser' we all know Oh
Guido, L-O-L OH-OO!
"We all know he'll never get it"

vpheughan 10-28-2024 08:27 AM

Featured Discussion Observations from Saints loss at Chargers
 
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SmashMouth 10-28-2024 09:02 AM

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SmashMouth 10-28-2024 09:20 AM

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The Lone Highlight?

papz 10-28-2024 09:23 AM

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I'm generally not a tank person nor am I okay with losing but... these losses will benefit us more in the long run.

https://media.tenor.com/ZFJb9-uTDvgA...is-the-way.png

Numb yourself. It'll be easier on the blood pressure. Firing Allen midseason just gives upper management a scapegoat for their own inadequacies. I actually hope Allen stays til the end of the season as I think it will actually help with the process.

leilung 10-28-2024 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 1004174)
I'm generally not a tank person nor am I okay with losing but... these losses will benefit us more in the long run.

https://media.tenor.com/ZFJb9-uTDvgA...is-the-way.png

Numb yourself. It'll be easier on the blood pressure. Firing Allen midseason just gives upper management a scapegoat for their own inadequacies. I actually hope Allen stays til the end of the season as I think it will actually help with the process.

I agree that mid-management is already spinng up the pressers for dumping Allen. It's only a matter of time. He's like Wile E. Coyote strapped to a rocket watching the fuse burn down. But if NO ONE is sent packing with him from the GM level, it's just more of the same... wash, rinse, reapeat.

Tanking only works IF Ms. Gayle chooses to clean shop. Past precedence says otherwise.

leilung 10-28-2024 11:20 AM

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... and Defense, can we PLEASE for the love of Mary, Sweet Mother of Jesus, TACKLE!!!!!

stickman 10-28-2024 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 1004180)
... and Defense, can we PLEASE for the love of Mary, Sweet Mother of Jesus, TACKLE!!!!!

I often find myself wondering when tackling became a lost art. It seems more guys are worried about hitting now then wrapping up.

jnormand 10-28-2024 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 1004171)

That guys was funny as hell. Obviously he was being completely serious while he was talking but his analogies and **** were hilarious!

Good stuff.

Halo 10-28-2024 02:21 PM

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arsaint 10-28-2024 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 1004182)
I often find myself wondering when tackling became a lost art. It seems more guys are worried about hitting now then wrapping up.




I think it was when they wussified practices to not allow them to hit.


Supposed to help people quit getting injured so often, and yet look at the league right now - it's a freaking MASH unit.

neugey 10-28-2024 09:10 PM

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It's official now: we are the lowest-scoring team of NFL Week 8. It says more during a week with no bye teams.

Also - our kicker also cost us 4 points, and our return game has been getting lousy and mistake-prone. Can't count on special teams as a saving grace anymore.

SmashMouth 10-29-2024 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 1004174)
I'm generally not a tank person nor am I okay with losing but... these losses will benefit us more in the long run.

https://media.tenor.com/ZFJb9-uTDvgA...is-the-way.png

Numb yourself. It'll be easier on the blood pressure. Firing Allen midseason just gives upper management a scapegoat for their own inadequacies. I actually hope Allen stays til the end of the season as I think it will actually help with the process.


AsylumGuido 10-29-2024 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 4everSaint (Post 1004155)
And when shows, he will be telling us how awesome those 3 or 4 decent plays were. And how positive and awesome it is to hold hands and build around.

Someone tell skpb25 to shove it up his arse. He shows up only after losses to celebrate. I have never not been here after games win or lose. I also vacation regularly during away games weeks with my wife and have no real access until after returning home. :rolleyes:

AsylumGuido 10-29-2024 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by arsaint (Post 1004192)
I think it was when they wussified practices to not allow them to hit.


Supposed to help people quit getting injured so often, and yet look at the league right now - it's a freaking MASH unit.

It goes back to college to begin. The NCAA has eliminated coaching contact with players to 20 hours per week including game days. Teaching fundamentals in school are a thing of the past. The NFL has gone the same direction through the CBA by limiting contact in practice to a fraction of what was once permissible. It's one thing when you have frontline starters out there on the field, but when the majority of the players out there are backups with little experience with first team snaps it's going to look like crap.

AsylumGuido 10-29-2024 12:28 PM

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I think the team looked like crap from the kickoff. Rattler looks lost especially playing behind a primarily makeshift offensive line. I thought the guy was supposed to be mobile. He couldn't make a wheelchair bound grandmother miss him when deciding to run. Haener looked better, but still nowhere as competent as is Carr. Sure, Kamara has the "reason" of a broken bone in his hand to explain the drops, but anyone behind Olave is green as hell.

Sinner 10-29-2024 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1004211)
I think the team looked like crap from the kickoff. Rattler looks lost especially playing behind a primarily makeshift offensive line. I thought the guy was supposed to be mobile. He couldn't make a wheelchair bound grandmother miss him when deciding to run. Haener looked better, but still nowhere as competent as is Carr. Sure, Kamara has the "reason" of a broken bone in his hand to explain the drops, but anyone behind Olave is green as hell.

Be sure to dip your pompoms in your lithium cereal for the Panthers game. See you here Brother G.

mapcow 10-29-2024 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 4everSaint (Post 1004143)
Man come on. i saw some real positive attitudes from the guys walking around on the sidelines.

yeah... probably saying "just a couple more hours, and we outta here!" :beatnik:

mapcow 10-29-2024 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1004211)
I think the team looked like crap from the kickoff. Rattler looks lost especially playing behind a primarily makeshift offensive line. I thought the guy was supposed to be mobile. He couldn't make a wheelchair bound grandmother miss him when deciding to run. Haener looked better, but still nowhere as competent as is Carr. Sure, Kamara has the "reason" of a broken bone in his hand to explain the drops, but anyone behind Olave is green as hell.

you close....just say it... "THIS CURRENT SAINTs Football Team Sucks, because of poor management". you can do it.... :beatnik:


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