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Chase Young for a 3rd or 4th. I'd hope for a 3rd since his salary is low.

Lattimore for a 3rd or 4th & swap late rounders.

Kamara? I hope not.

Demario?

Olave?

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Kamara has already said he'll retire and "move to Africa" before playing anywhere other than New Orleans. I believe him. Going nowhere.

Olave has no market given his recent injury history.

Demario? See Kamara above.

There may not be any. We'll need them for our run to 10-7 and the NFC South title in historic fashion on the way to winning the Lombardi in the Home Dome!

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There's so little time to work with, and we don't have leverage. Don't count on many deals going through or getting a good return. A 5th for Lattimore might be as good as it gets.

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I would be surprised if we got anything more than a 4th or 5th max for Lattimore. No team wants Lattimore next year for $18m with his health and age so its an 8 game rental of a player whose health makes them a 50/50 bet to remain available. The one attractive thing for teams trading for Lattimore is that we already ate his salary with a restructure so the rental would only cost $0.5m.

It would not make sense to extend Kamara and trade him. I don't buy the whole Africa thing. I think that was pillow talk to get Loomis to bend over and pay him way above market by saying 'I love you more than anyone else, I could never be with anyone else, we were meant to be, now bend over.' But trading Kamara would trigger a cap hit of $12m so I don't think we do it. Kamaras contract is structured so most of his new money came as a bonus we paid that day, so we don't save much by moving him anymore, and no team wants to give high picks for an aging RB when lots of teams got better RBs for free in free agency.

The return for players like Davis and Mathieu who are showing decline of age and tons of rust would be little or nothing.

Adebo was a player we could have traded if healthy, but so much for that.

Olave is so cheap and young I think we might get a 4th for him even with concussion issues if he wants to continue playing. A team trading for him would be risking $3.5m for a potential #1 WR if they have a QB with better touch to avoid hospital balls. The Dolphins gave OBJ $3m + 5.25m incentives for two years. $3.5m for a flyer on 1.5 years of Olave is a decent bet. If Olave returned to form but left in 2026, that other team would stand to gain a high comp pick. The problem with trading Olave for a 4th is that his salary is so cheap this year and for the rest of the contract that the cap relief is fairly minimal.

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I’d ride the season out, fire Mickey Loomis, and let a new GM decide what he wants to do with the piece we have. If we have a top 5 pick then I’d like to draft Cam Ward or Shedeur Sanders, but if we trade back and pick up more capital I understand. If we could trade back a spot or two and get Will Campbell to pair with Fuaga that would be a great start. Try to grab Tate Ratledge to plug at LG and grab a RB like Judkins from Ohio State. Sign Mac Jones to a cheap two year deal and see what you can get at QB in 2026. Sucks to have to speculate in November for next year.

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If I were remotely confident in the possibility of a new GM then yes, I'd be okay with that.

However we need to assume he's here next season.

Young - better to get something for him before he hits free agency. I don't think he'll command top dollar but teams may easily outbid us.

Lattimore - another season, another injury... Great player but not worth the contract as he approaches 30. Personally, I'd love to see him get a ring somewhere.

Kamara - This is the one player I strongly believe should remain in New Orleans. He has so much left to give despite age.

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Not bad, but we need more beef on both sides. I'd honestly pass on picking a QB early. And yes, RB is an increasingly stronger need. What happened, we used to strike gold even in UDFAs routinely.

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Sean Payton must have been the one with the eye for running backs.

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I'm still salty we should've drafted Achane

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We all know the next head coach will want HIS TEAM and most of this roster will be gone. The rest of the season should be used to see which players want to PLAY. Raid other teams practice squads, cut overpaid under performing players. Blow the whole thing up!

Lattimore: Trade Him

Kamara: As long as he produces.

Olave should go on IR for the rest of the year or possibly call it a career. Constant Concussions are nothing to be taken lightly.

With all due respect, Demario should have gone 3 years ago along with Cam Jordan. Good Old CSP! Kept his "favorites" way past their prime and / or didn't know what he had in others. (Zach Baun, Marcus Williams, Trey Hendrickson, Shy Tuttle and on and on.)

The starting MLB for 2 of the better / best NFC teams are former Saints: Alex Anzalone for the Lions, and Kaden Ellis for the Falcons. Watching Ellis and Anzalone Sunday should have made all Saints Fans sick.

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Alex Anzalone is 30 y/o, injury prone his entire time here, and overrated. Kaden Ellis is playing well, but nowhere near the level Davis has played over the last three years. Cam Jordan fell off a good minute ago. Shy Tuttle isn’t good. Ravens fans complain about Marcus Williams just as much as ours did while he was here. Baun should have never been drafted into this scheme. Loomis special there. Trey was always hurt just like Davenport. I can let that slide as an honest mistake. He’s the biggest loss imo.

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Kamara is a different dude. The guy's kept or invested every penny he's made in the game. It's no longer about the money. He wanted the extension solely because he wanted to stay in New Orleans and continue playing. When he says he'll retire before playing anywhere else I believe him.

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One I keep "hearing" is Chase Young. Another is Granderson.

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Everybody.

I am ready to embrace the suck.

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Only a couple of men I'd like to build around ...

Alontae Taylor and Granderson. Everyone else can go.

I think Latt is gone before today's trade deadline.

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If the next coach will want to bring his guys, who are some good coaching candidates out of the CFL, USFL, or FCS? Because thats who we can afford to bring in during a rebuild. One big problem with the startegy of trying to cheat the salary cap is that your roster becomes inflexible, you either keep the guys you have or you eat massive dead cap to rebuild. We cant cut a bunch of vets and sign a bunch of free agents who better fit a new system first year. That is part of why Kubiak failed. He had to use fragile finesse Payton players in a smash mouth shannahan offense and although it worked for two weeks, they all broke their ribs and it was not sustainable.

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I dont think we will trade Lattimore because the cap savings will be minimal, the return will be minimal, and designating him a post-june-1 cut in march or extending him (which I hope we dont do) could offer more cap flexibility. He could be traded but we have not often seen Loomis make a move to take the heat and criticism to do the right thing and move on.

Chase Young is on a 1 year deal anyway so i hope we trade him. But if we dont, we may get comp picks when he moves on in the offseason anyway.

Juwon Johnsons contract voids also. We could trade him or get comp picks if he moves on.

Foster Moreau is very tradable. His contract has never been reatructured and actually offers the most cap relief to trade. I like him, but a trade could be a smart move.

If David, Jordan, or Mathieu would want to play for a contender we owe it to them but I doubt it happens. Not sure anyone would want Jordan. Mathieu and Davis are no longer great but could be useful pieces to a contender with a need.

I would not mind moving Bresee but I doubt they will because it wouod admit failure. He is a bust who turns every opposing RB into prime AP.

I do think another team would take a chance on Olave for a 4th or 5th if they believe their offense and QB could avoid hospital balls. But it would be admitting failure. I think its more likely we make the horrible mistake of paying him than the wise choice to move on. If his career can recover its not in this offense with this QB.

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Latt traded to the Commanders

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35 minutes left in the trade window this year.

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That's it. Our lone trade was one that has essentially been in the works since last December. No mid-season sell-off as some may have hoped. We have exactly the same roster given Lattimore's inability to get onto the field that we had a week ago. Minus a head coach, of course.

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Its hard to sell off much at the trade deadline when we have already given most players their paychecks in advance through restructuring. Its not a bug deal not to trade Chase Young because we could get a comp pick anyway if he walks in free agency, and if we can get him a few sacks that pick could be better. Had we not extended Kamara we could have traded him, but whats done is done.

As for Lattimore’s trade being ‘in the works since december’ it was never real until it happened. Lots of things have been discussed and not happened. Kamara was not restructured until this extension after we restructured the rest of the entire roster, so a Kamara trade could have happened if not for the extension. Maybe we would have moved Adebo or Olave if not for the injuries.

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I don't think you truly understand Kamara. The guy doesn't live his life off a paycheck. If he says he'd retire before playing outside of New Orleans most everyone that does understand believed he meant what he said. Everything isn't as cut and dry as you always seem to imply. Believe it or not some people have personal value that greatly outweigh monetary values. I know I have passed up on opportunity that didn't align with what I felt was best for my personal philosophies.

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We have a difference of opinion. You believe Kamara truly would not play anywhere else, even say Denver with Payton or Tennessee where he went to college. I believe his whole ‘i live nola’ thing was an act to get paid the Cam Jordan rate in his twilight years. You respect Kamara as a nostalgic heart, I respect him as a business man who negotiated a 150% premium.

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No. I respect him as an honest person who doesn't fit the norm. You appear to be a person that sees nothing beyond the almighty dollar. Believe it or not many of us have moral compasses that guide our decisions.

Wonder why you rub me so wrong. Hmm?

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So do you believe everyone who uses a negotiating tactic is dishonest and has no moral compass? I have never said that Kamara is a bad person or dishonest. I just believe he saw Cameron Jordan get a big payday and he decided that his kids need to eat too so he followed Cam's playbook. I don't think there is anything wrong with it on his part. I think it was a mistake on Loomis to write the check.

Personally I don't understand why a veteran player who went to high school in Georgia and college in Tennessee and whose first NFL coach is now coaching Denver would want to absolutely rule out going to another team and instead prefer to stick with a 2-7 team with an interim coach and decimated roster that will run him into the ground for mostly losses and likely needs to go into a rebuild for the rest of his career under a new coaching staff, rather than considering the opportunity to play for a contender. Maybe he just loves the uniform that much. If he does, good for him. But the premium he got paid above market makes more sense as an explanation to me.

If he truly just bled black and gold and didnt care about money, why did he turn down the Saints contract extension offers until they got to $12 million a year, when Derrick Henry and Joe Mixon got $8 million a year? Actions speak louder than words and his actions were that he wanted the Saints to pay him like Barkley not like Henry or Mixon, which indicates he does care about money. And I dont believe another team would have paid him like Barkley, so shrewd negotiating tactics is the most reasonable explanation to me for the contrast of his words (I just love the Saints and want to retire here) and actions (refusing to sign under the Saints offered Barkley numbers not Henry/Mixon numbers).

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My point: The Saints keep some players too long and give up on others too soon. Overrated or not Anzalone was in the playoffs last year and most likely this year. Ellis and Baun probably this year too.

Davis and the Saints the last 3 years?

Hendrickson and Anzalone both played the same number of seasons with the Saints and their current teams, yet both have played in more games since leaving New Orleans. Is it the player or the organization?

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It might be a shorter list to post who should NOT be traded.

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Anzalone (active in 16 games last year, 17 the year before) continues to make plays, Baun has really helped that Philly defense and Ellis has been surprisingly productive in Atlanta.

Hendrickson is still leading the NFL in sacks?

Yeah, it's the Saints organization.

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I wish we could move olave. Get something while we can. Young would bring little to nothing I’m afraid. Maybe a 6th. Olave could draw a 2 and 3 if healthy.

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Anzalone was constantly injured when he was here. His constant injuries and mediocrity might have cost us a championship by constantly destabilizing the position and having to shift players around every time he missed time. He has never been a very good player even when healthy. In the perfect situation in Detroit he has a 65 PFF score now which is very average. He is clearly a passenger not a driver on Detroit's playoff bus. If you are sad we dont have him because he made the playoffs last year and occasionally made a play, we have Marquez Valdez Scantling who is also a highly mediocre unreliable player who was on a successful roster last year.

Anzalone could be an indictment of our inept medical staff, but that just means if we had kept him, we would have stayed hurt with our medical staff, whereas if we magically got a new medical staff that was much more competant flown in from Houston or whatever, we might have got an amazing mediocre 65 rated linebacker who is 30yo now, our next Scott Shanle!

Ellis, Baun, and Hendrickson are evidence of our failed salary cap strategy of shedding young players to kick the can on aging ones and rely on blockbuster draft trades. But I can't agree on Analzone. He is one of my least favorite Saints players of all time.

Olave is not health and we are never getting a 2 or 3 for him. If he could stay healthy it would be on a different offense with a different QB that uses a precise pocket passing system and can use him as an edge receiver without asking him to work miracles over the middle or become blockzilla. I think all we could get for him if he gets health and returns from the field is a 3rd or 4th but I think we could get that if he returns to the field because his contract is very cheap, he is very young, and the upside is there of a highly talented young receiver if a team can protect him. Since we are not the team that can protect him, a trade is the right thing to do if he returns to the field this year or in the offseason, gets cleared, and its possible.

It is ok that we did not trade Chase Young. We should try to get him some sacks the rest of the year, feature him as much as we can, then let him walk in free agency and get a comp pick. The comp pick may be better than what we would have got in a trade.

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No more players can be traded until March 12, 2025 at 4:00 PM New York time. That's when the new NFL year begins and 2024 contracts expire.

2024-2025 Important NFL Dates

The 2025 League Year and Free Agency signing period begin at 4:00 p.m., New York time.

Trading period for 2025. Trading begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time, after expiration of all 2024 contracts.

The first day of the 2025 League Year will end at 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 12. Clubs will receive a Personnel Notice that will include all transactions submitted to the league office during the period between 4:00 p.m., New York time, and 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 12.

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Pick: A roster full of declining older veterans, sprinkled with a few young talented players going nowhere. A roster with younger average (Amazingly Much Healthier after leaving) players headed to winning seasons, then the playoffs? A playoff bus doesn't move without an average left rear wheel, does it?

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Unless some sort of "you can't trade me" clause is in his contract, I don't think it is up to the thug to determine his fate as a Saint. If a good enough offer is made, the thug is gone. AND if the Saints organization agreed to such a clause, then there in fact proves management stupidity. :beatnik:

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No trade clauses are quite common in player contracts. That said, Kamara doesn't have one and doesn't need one. What he does have is the ability to retire instead of going to that other team. And that is exactly what he has stated several times when asked about possibly playing elsewhere other than New Orleans. He has repeatedly said whenever his time ends with the Saints he's going to Africa and retire. His mother is from Liberia and that's where he plans to go live. Kamara has been extremely involved in real estate investments and is pretty much set for life as opposed to many other players.