CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR?

AsylumGuido · 03-03-2025, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Well that was my point. I understand keeping him this year and having him play under his current contract What I don’t want them to do is restructure his contract so he gets paid less this year whilst adding guaranteed money for future years to him when he’s gonna get cut.

Kicking his can down the road and keeping the team financially bound to him while he’s no longer here is stupid.

It's all semantics. If Carr plays for us this season his salary plus guaranteed roster bonus and previous prorations total $51.458 million for 2025. That cannot be done with our lack of cap space. All we CAN do is to convert his $30 million base salary and $10 million roster bonus to a signing bonus prorated to his voidable years. We're paying him exactly the same amount either way. By converting it frees up the 2025 cap so we can become compliant. We are not paying him any more nor is he playing for anything any more either way. We're simply accounting for that pay in a future period where those funds make up a smaller percentage of the growing cap than it does in 2025. It's a win/win if you are planning on keeping him for 2025 either way.

BakoSaint · 03-03-2025, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It's all semantics. If Carr plays for us this season his salary plus guaranteed roster bonus and previous prorations total $51.458 million for 2025. That cannot be done with our lack of cap space. All we CAN do is to convert his $30 million base salary and $10 million roster bonus to a signing bonus prorated to his voidable years. We're paying him exactly the same amount either way. By converting it frees up the 2025 cap so we can become compliant. We are not paying him any more nor is he playing for anything any more either way. We're simply accounting for that pay in a future period where those funds make up a smaller percentage of the growing cap than it does in 2025. It's a win/win if you are planning on keeping him for 2025 either way.

Both versions of keeping Carr pay him $40 million more than cutting him, in the long run. Many cap experts have shown how we could cut Carr, it would just require taking a year off of big free agent adds and restructuring some smaller pieces instead that won't carry anything like the $60 million dead cap Carr will to move on from in 2026.

AsylumGuido · 03-03-2025, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Both versions of keeping Carr pay him $40 million more than cutting him, in the long run. Many cap experts have shown how we could cut Carr, it would just require taking a year off of big free agent adds and restructuring some smaller pieces instead that won't carry anything like the $60 million dead cap Carr will to move on from in 2026.

It doesn't matter if we want to field the best QB available. You don't want him. Having the best competitive option means nothing to you. That's clear.

BakoSaint · 03-03-2025, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It doesn't matter if we want to field the best QB available. You don't want him. Having the best competitive option means nothing to you. That's clear.

I literally said I would like to use a potential division championship banner as toilet paper while suffering from diahreaa. Having a team that is competitive for the super bowl is all that matters to me. If we are not building for a ring we are building for a brown wipe. Clearly Carr is not a super bowl QB, at least not without elite lines we are nowhere close to having. Therefore to me he is nothing. 9-8 is the same as 0-18 to me. If you are not first you are last.

Sinner · 03-03-2025, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I literally said I would like to use a potential division championship banner as toilet paper while suffering from diahreaa. Having a team that is competitive for the super bowl is all that matters to me. If we are not building for a ring we are building for a brown wipe. Clearly Carr is not a super bowl QB, at least not without elite lines we are nowhere close to having. Therefore to me he is nothing. 9-8 is the same as 0-18 to me. If you are not first you are last.

THANK YOU. ^^^ THAT is what a REAL FAN talks about.

jnormand · 03-03-2025, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It's all semantics. If Carr plays for us this season his salary plus guaranteed roster bonus and previous prorations total $51.458 million for 2025. That cannot be done with our lack of cap space. All we CAN do is to convert his $30 million base salary and $10 million roster bonus to a signing bonus prorated to his voidable years. We're paying him exactly the same amount either way. By converting it frees up the 2025 cap so we can become compliant. We are not paying him any more nor is he playing for anything any more either way. We're simply accounting for that pay in a future period where those funds make up a smaller percentage of the growing cap than it does in 2025. It's a win/win if you are planning on keeping him for 2025 either way.

I understand what you’re saying. I would rather pay him all his money owed THIS YEAR and cut him after the season instead of converting his money owed this year and tying up resources for seasons to come. No thanks. Take the hit this year. Have a ****ty team and move on from his disastrous contract after this season so we can start getting better in 2026. I don’t want Carr on the books in 2027 and 2028 just so we can field some mediocre team this season. Horrible idea. Good grief no.

I get that you’re fine with it. That’s all good for you. Maybe it even makes more sense to you. It just doesn’t for me and I don’t like it. I just want the team to pay for guys on the team. Not for some guy they really don’t want but are forced to stick with because they had to restructure 2 or 3 times just to get under the cap before they cut his ass. Then pay him for 2 or 3 seasons after he’s gone. That’s just bad business IMO.

I respect your right to your own opinion but you’re not gonna change mine man.

03-03-2025, 03:37 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by jnormand Well that was my point. I understand keeping him this year and having him play under his current contract What I don’t want them to do is restructure his contract so he gets paid less this year whilst adding guaranteed money for future years to him when he’s gonna get cut. Kicking his can down the road and keeping the team financially bound to him while he’s no longer here is stupid. It's all semantics. If Carr plays for us this season his salary plus guaranteed roster bonus and previous prorations total $51.458 million for 2025. That cannot be done with our lack of cap space. All we CAN do is to convert his $30 million base salary and $10 million roster bonus to a signing bonus prorated to his voidable years. We're paying him exactly the same amount either way. By converting it frees up the 2025 cap so we can become compliant. We are not paying him any more nor is he playing for anything any more either way. We're simply accounting for that pay in a future period where those funds make up a smaller percentage of the growing cap than it does in 2025. It's a win/win if you are planning on keeping him for 2025 either way.
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03-03-2025, 03:44 PM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,407	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It's all semantics. If Carr plays for us this season his salary plus guaranteed roster bonus and previous prorations total $51.458 million for 2025. That cannot be done with our lack of cap space. All we CAN do is to convert his $30 million base salary and $10 million roster bonus to a signing bonus prorated to his voidable years. We're paying him exactly the same amount either way. By converting it frees up the 2025 cap so we can become compliant. We are not paying him any more nor is he playing for anything any more either way. We're simply accounting for that pay in a future period where those funds make up a smaller percentage of the growing cap than it does in 2025. It's a win/win if you are planning on keeping him for 2025 either way. Both versions of keeping Carr pay him $40 million more than cutting him, in the long run. Many cap experts have shown how we could cut Carr, it would just require taking a year off of big free agent adds and restructuring some smaller pieces instead that won't carry anything like the $60 million dead cap Carr will to move on from in 2026.
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03-03-2025, 03:50 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by BakoSaint Both versions of keeping Carr pay him $40 million more than cutting him, in the long run. Many cap experts have shown how we could cut Carr, it would just require taking a year off of big free agent adds and restructuring some smaller pieces instead that won't carry anything like the $60 million dead cap Carr will to move on from in 2026. It doesn't matter if we want to field the best QB available. You don't want him. Having the best competitive option means nothing to you. That's clear.

03-03-2025, 08:23 PM	#4
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,407	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It doesn't matter if we want to field the best QB available. You don't want him. Having the best competitive option means nothing to you. That's clear. I literally said I would like to use a potential division championship banner as toilet paper while suffering from diahreaa. Having a team that is competitive for the super bowl is all that matters to me. If we are not building for a ring we are building for a brown wipe. Clearly Carr is not a super bowl QB, at least not without elite lines we are nowhere close to having. Therefore to me he is nothing. 9-8 is the same as 0-18 to me. If you are not first you are last. Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.
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03-03-2025, 11:08 PM	#5
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by BakoSaint I literally said I would like to use a potential division championship banner as toilet paper while suffering from diahreaa. Having a team that is competitive for the super bowl is all that matters to me. If we are not building for a ring we are building for a brown wipe. Clearly Carr is not a super bowl QB, at least not without elite lines we are nowhere close to having. Therefore to me he is nothing. 9-8 is the same as 0-18 to me. If you are not first you are last. THANK YOU. ^^^ THAT is what a REAL FAN talks about.
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03-03-2025, 07:31 PM	#6
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,773	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It's all semantics. If Carr plays for us this season his salary plus guaranteed roster bonus and previous prorations total $51.458 million for 2025. That cannot be done with our lack of cap space. All we CAN do is to convert his $30 million base salary and $10 million roster bonus to a signing bonus prorated to his voidable years. We're paying him exactly the same amount either way. By converting it frees up the 2025 cap so we can become compliant. We are not paying him any more nor is he playing for anything any more either way. We're simply accounting for that pay in a future period where those funds make up a smaller percentage of the growing cap than it does in 2025. It's a win/win if you are planning on keeping him for 2025 either way. I understand what you’re saying. I would rather pay him all his money owed THIS YEAR and cut him after the season instead of converting his money owed this year and tying up resources for seasons to come. No thanks. Take the hit this year. Have a ****ty team and move on from his disastrous contract after this season so we can start getting better in 2026. I don’t want Carr on the books in 2027 and 2028 just so we can field some mediocre team this season. Horrible idea. Good grief no. I get that you’re fine with it. That’s all good for you. Maybe it even makes more sense to you. It just doesn’t for me and I don’t like it. I just want the team to pay for guys on the team. Not for some guy they really don’t want but are forced to stick with because they had to restructure 2 or 3 times just to get under the cap before they cut his ass. Then pay him for 2 or 3 seasons after he’s gone. That’s just bad business IMO. I respect your right to your own opinion but you’re not gonna change mine man. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.