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[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by lee909

The injuries are a concern but are being vastly overblown


A broken collarbone that the decision was not to operate, it got reinforced week 1 the next season . He got surgery and it's been fine since, then he broke his leg.

I would be far more concerned if it was a long list of muscle,tendon,ligament issues.

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Exactly. All the injuries are bone breaks. I've broken bones in the past, that doesn't make me injury prone. Haven't broken one in over a decade.

[BakoSaint]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Exactly. All the injuries are bone breaks. I've broken bones in the past, that doesn't make me injury prone. Haven't broken one in over a decade.

Do you play professional football? I think 3 broken bones is better than 3 torn ACL's but its still a concern. A lot of young players careers have been derailed by broken bones. Kevin White comes to mind. Lions #2 overall pick Charles Rogers is another.

[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Do you play professional football? I think 3 broken bones is better than 3 torn ACL's but its still a concern. A lot of young players careers have been derailed by broken bones. Kevin White comes to mind. Lions #2 overall pick Charles Rogers is another.

Does it matter? Broken bones can and do happen to anyone is my point. Having one doesn't make you more likely to have another, unlike soft tissue injuries.

[BakoSaint]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Does it matter? Broken bones can and do happen to anyone is my point. Having one doesn't make you more likely to have another, unlike soft tissue injuries.

Yeah it really does. I just finished a day of working Microsoft Excel and a keyboard. I have never broken a bone in my life. Anyone can break a bone but if you play football its more common, and then some people are also just more prone to it, maybe they are worse at avoiding hits, maybe their calcium is a little worse, whatever it is an injury history is a concern.

[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Yeah it really does. I just finished a day of working Microsoft Excel and a keyboard. I have never broken a bone in my life. Anyone can break a bone but if you play football its more common, and then some people are also just more prone to it, maybe they are worse at avoiding hits, maybe their calcium is a little worse, whatever it is an injury history is a concern.

You can be coached on taking hits better, you can take calcium supplements to improve your levels. I just don't see it as being as big of a deal as you do. The greatest player to ever wear a Saints jersey..hell, one of the greatest to wear any jersey..came to us a year after suffering a near catastrophic injury and went on to a hall of fame career. Would I prefer he had no injury history? Sure. But he's still the most pro ready QB in this class. I'm not even out here trying to say he's going to be any good, but to knock him for his past injuries is silly.

[BakoSaint]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

You can be coached on taking hits better, you can take calcium supplements to improve your levels. I just don't see it as being as big of a deal as you do. The greatest player to ever wear a Saints jersey..hell, one of the greatest to wear any jersey..came to us a year after suffering a near catastrophic injury and went on to a hall of fame career. Would I prefer he had no injury history? Sure. But he's still the most pro ready QB in this class. I'm not even out here trying to say he's going to be any good, but to knock him for his past injuries is silly.

Its cool that Shough has a size and arm talent, but to ignore his injury history and call him the most pro ready is silly. Shadeur Sanders has a similar number of attempts, more TDs, and less INTs at the D1 level. The same number of reps with more TDs and less INTs tells me Sanders is more pro ready. Shough is just big and old.

I am not sure a 26 year old rookie has ever had a successful NFL career? Is there precedent? Warren Moon was older but he played 4 years in the CFL first and won the grey cup every year. There have been a few great 6'1-ish QBs who didnt run. I can't find any successful QB who came out of college at 26. So not only does Shough have to turn from glass to steel, he then has to not be steel Chris Weinke or steel Brandon Weeden.

[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Its cool that Shough has a size and arm talent, but to ignore his injury history and call him the most pro ready is silly. Shadeur Sanders has a similar number of attempts, more TDs, and less INTs at the D1 level. The same number of reps with more TDs and less INTs tells me Sanders is more pro ready. Shough is just big and old.

I am not sure a 26 year old rookie has ever had a successful NFL career? Is there precedent? Warren Moon was older but he played 4 years in the CFL first and won the grey cup every year. There have been a few great 6'1-ish QBs who didnt run. I can't find any successful QB who came out of college at 26. So not only does Shough have to turn from glass to steel, he then has to not be steel Chris Weinke or steel Brandon Weeden.

He played in a pro style system where he was asked to make reads and throws that no other QB in this class did. He has better size, speed and arm strength than Shedeur.

Again, I'm not ready to anoint him the starter or even say he'll ever be good, but I think that's true of every QB in this years draft. The whole league passed on Shedeur in the 1st. The browns, who are every but as QB desperate as us had 2 chances to take Shedeur, and yes, Shough too, and passed on both. The Saints obviously believe in the guy. Only time will tell if they're right

[SmashMouth]

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Its cool that Shough has a size and arm talent, but to ignore his injury history and call him the most pro ready is silly. Shadeur Sanders has a similar number of attempts, more TDs, and less INTs at the D1 level. The same number of reps with more TDs and less INTs tells me Sanders is more pro ready. Shough is just big and old.

I am not sure a 26 year old rookie has ever had a successful NFL career? Is there precedent? Warren Moon was older but he played 4 years in the CFL first and won the grey cup every year. There have been a few great 6'1-ish QBs who didnt run. I can't find any successful QB who came out of college at 26. So not only does Shough have to turn from glass to steel, he then has to not be steel Chris Weinke or steel Brandon Weeden.

Kurt Warner and Russell Wilson ? There's prolly more...

[AsylumGuido]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

You can be coached on taking hits better, you can take calcium supplements to improve your levels. I just don't see it as being as big of a deal as you do. The greatest player to ever wear a Saints jersey..hell, one of the greatest to wear any jersey..came to us a year after suffering a near catastrophic injury and went on to a hall of fame career. Would I prefer he had no injury history? Sure. But he's still the most pro ready QB in this class. I'm not even out here trying to say he's going to be any good, but to knock him for his past injuries is silly.

Everything is a big deal to Bako as long as he can use it to put blame on Loomis.

[BakoSaint]

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Everything is a big deal to Bako as long as he can use it to put blame on Loomis.

And everything is a smart move to Guido and Loomis as long as they can use it to blame losses on injuries forever.