Are the Saints the De Facto Worst Team in the NFL?

turbo_dog · 05-15-2025, 11:16 AM

I think we all agree the new coaching staff is an upgrade, so that's first reason to be optimistic.

Defensive line looks improved on paper, but we don't know how they will line up on the field. Speculation of 3-4 scheme is not confirmed, and if it happens, will it be 50% of the time? 60%?

RB room appears to be a strength.
OT looks to be solid

Question marks:
WR health through the season
QB (who plays and is he good)
Penning and Ruiz
Sanker, Stutsman, Riley

SmashMouth · 05-16-2025, 03:25 AM

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Rugby Saint II · 05-19-2025, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

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Methinks NOT. But it'll be fun year nonetheless.

If we are the worst team then the light at the end of the tunnel is a high draft pick. Who Dat!

SmashMouth · 06-05-2025, 07:56 PM

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vpheughan · 06-05-2025, 08:54 PM

These two constraints have been lifted, one de facto and one de jure.

iceshack149 · 06-17-2025, 01:28 PM

Saints Urged To Upgrade At Crucial Defensive Position
The New Orleans Saints have had quite the disastrous offseason to this point.
While they were one of the worst teams in football last season, they've actively taken steps backward including the loss of Paulson Adebo in free agency and Derek Carr to retirement. New Orleans hasn't replaced either of these players with a proven talent, though it did draft Tyler Shough as a potential franchise quarterback.
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SmashMouth · 06-18-2025, 02:55 AM

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leilung · 06-18-2025, 08:55 AM

I'm going to go with Yes for a couple of reasons:
1: Unknown trasition continutity because of New HC (Along with playbook, concepts/ schemes)
2: Unknown QB situation. The single position with the biggest impact on any team's ability to compete is currently TBD.
3: New Defense (As with #1, integrating playbook, schemes, and position strength)
4: Divisional Competition. while the Saints have been working diligently to redirect the franchise, others directly competing with them (Bucs, Clowns, and Kitties) have been busy. It's going to take a huge amount of success to overcome the head start these teams have on us.

All of these things are moving parts that could change the outlook for our team in the coming months. The Moore Regime reset will be a work in progress. I don't see anyone in the league (Maybe the Giants, Raiders, Browns, and Titans) having the same challenges as the Saints.

The best thing about all of this is the bar is low. Time to get to work!

AsylumGuido · 06-19-2025, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

I'm going to go with Yes for a couple of reasons:
1: Unknown trasition continutity because of New HC (Along with playbook, concepts/ schemes)
2: Unknown QB situation. The single position with the biggest impact on any team's ability to compete is currently TBD.
3: New Defense (As with #1, integrating playbook, schemes, and position strength)
4: Divisional Competition. while the Saints have been working diligently to redirect the franchise, others directly competing with them (Bucs, Clowns, and Kitties) have been busy. It's going to take a huge amount of success to overcome the head start these teams have on us.

All of these things are moving parts that could change the outlook for our team in the coming months. The Moore Regime reset will be a work in progress. I don't see anyone in the league (Maybe the Giants, Raiders, Browns, and Titans) having the same challenges as the Saints.

The best thing about all of this is the bar is low. Time to get to work!

This here. Those first three are based totally on the unknown with the baseline being the worst possible scenario in each case. As we move toward the beginning of the season more light will be shined upon each of these and expectations will, no doubt, be readdressed. The same can be said as the season itself is underway and actual games are being played.

I for one see a totally new coaching staff as being a huge plus over the past season. As for the QB position, we didn't know who was going to be starting week to week last year so we may have better continuity this coming season. As for the defense, it is hard for me to expect anything less than what we had on the field last year and we clearly were not the worst team in the league.

We are well into a deep rebuild process already. We have a goodly number of young players that will be seeing lots of snaps with a sprinkling of vets that can help show them the ropes under hopefully better guidance from the new, but very experienced, coaching staff.

TheOak · 06-18-2025, 09:47 AM

We could go 0-17 and the Falcons would still be the worst team in the NFL.

05-19-2025, 03:12 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,187	Re: Are the Saints the De Facto Worst Team in the NFL? Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://youtu.be/GYmn-Vqaak4 Methinks NOT. But it'll be fun year nonetheless. If we are the worst team then the light at the end of the tunnel is a high draft pick. Who Dat!

06-05-2025, 08:54 PM	#5
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06-17-2025, 01:28 PM	#6
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06-18-2025, 08:55 AM	#8
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,430	Re: Are the Saints the De Facto Worst Team in the NFL? I'm going to go with Yes for a couple of reasons: 1: Unknown trasition continutity because of New HC (Along with playbook, concepts/ schemes) 2: Unknown QB situation. The single position with the biggest impact on any team's ability to compete is currently TBD. 3: New Defense (As with #1, integrating playbook, schemes, and position strength) 4: Divisional Competition. while the Saints have been working diligently to redirect the franchise, others directly competing with them (Bucs, Clowns, and Kitties) have been busy. It's going to take a huge amount of success to overcome the head start these teams have on us. All of these things are moving parts that could change the outlook for our team in the coming months. The Moore Regime reset will be a work in progress. I don't see anyone in the league (Maybe the Giants, Raiders, Browns, and Titans) having the same challenges as the Saints. The best thing about all of this is the bar is low. Time to get to work! neugey, Crusader, AsylumGuido and 2 others like this.
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06-19-2025, 08:52 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,714	Re: Are the Saints the De Facto Worst Team in the NFL? Originally Posted by leilung I'm going to go with Yes for a couple of reasons: 1: Unknown trasition continutity because of New HC (Along with playbook, concepts/ schemes) 2: Unknown QB situation. The single position with the biggest impact on any team's ability to compete is currently TBD. 3: New Defense (As with #1, integrating playbook, schemes, and position strength) 4: Divisional Competition. while the Saints have been working diligently to redirect the franchise, others directly competing with them (Bucs, Clowns, and Kitties) have been busy. It's going to take a huge amount of success to overcome the head start these teams have on us. All of these things are moving parts that could change the outlook for our team in the coming months. The Moore Regime reset will be a work in progress. I don't see anyone in the league (Maybe the Giants, Raiders, Browns, and Titans) having the same challenges as the Saints. The best thing about all of this is the bar is low. Time to get to work! This here. Those first three are based totally on the unknown with the baseline being the worst possible scenario in each case. As we move toward the beginning of the season more light will be shined upon each of these and expectations will, no doubt, be readdressed. The same can be said as the season itself is underway and actual games are being played. I for one see a totally new coaching staff as being a huge plus over the past season. As for the QB position, we didn't know who was going to be starting week to week last year so we may have better continuity this coming season. As for the defense, it is hard for me to expect anything less than what we had on the field last year and we clearly were not the worst team in the league. We are well into a deep rebuild process already. We have a goodly number of young players that will be seeing lots of snaps with a sprinkling of vets that can help show them the ropes under hopefully better guidance from the new, but very experienced, coaching staff. WW_Who_Dat likes this.
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05-15-2025, 11:16 AM	#1
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,708	Re: Are the Saints the De Facto Worst Team in the NFL? I think we all agree the new coaching staff is an upgrade, so that's first reason to be optimistic. Defensive line looks improved on paper, but we don't know how they will line up on the field. Speculation of 3-4 scheme is not confirmed, and if it happens, will it be 50% of the time? 60%? RB room appears to be a strength. OT looks to be solid Question marks: WR health through the season QB (who plays and is he good) Penning and Ruiz Sanker, Stutsman, Riley jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Are the Saints the De Facto Worst Team in the NFL? We could go 0-17 and the Falcons would still be the worst team in the NFL. turbo_dog, SmashMouth and WW_Who_Dat like this.