Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings

papz · 07-19-2025, 12:48 PM

10.8/4 years

Let’s get to work.

SmashMouth · 07-19-2025, 03:43 PM

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...nteed-contract

So is there collusion on guaranteed contracts or neaux ?

AsylumGuido · 07-19-2025, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...nteed-contract

So is there collusion on guaranteed contracts or neaux ?

I have a feeling that you may not understand what collusion actually is, Smash. Shough’s agent knew that the fact Shough is pegged to be the starter gave him leverage and when push came to shove they guaranteed the whole contract. Given the whole contract was less than every other starting QB in the league is getting for a single season it is extremely reasonable. What exactly is it that you think might be collusion? And who would the parties that are colluding with others to create collusion? I am confused.

WhoDat!656 · 07-19-2025, 04:13 PM

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...nteed-contract

hitta · 07-21-2025, 06:26 PM

Dart and Shough were the two quarterbacks we identified as potential franchise leaders. When Dart came off the board, we went with Shough. Once you make that kind of pick, especially at quarterback, you stand behind it. The leap’s already been taken. At that point, what does guaranteed money really mean against the cap? If he turns out to suck, we are in a terrible situation regardless. I have faith in this guy though. Other second-rounders are getting it. If we believe in him, we should show it. If anything, it could lift some pressure and help him play more freely.

BakoSaint · 07-22-2025, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

Dart and Shough were the two quarterbacks we identified as potential franchise leaders. When Dart came off the board, we went with Shough. Once you make that kind of pick, especially at quarterback, you stand behind it. The leap’s already been taken. At that point, what does guaranteed money really mean against the cap? If he turns out to suck, we are in a terrible situation regardless. I have faith in this guy though. Other second-rounders are getting it. If we believe in him, we should show it. If anything, it could lift some pressure and help him play more freely.

The guaranteed money wasn't the risk, caving early was the risk. If you want to know what being public enemy #1 of the NFL means, look at what happened to us in the 2018 NFCCG, officiating against the Saints in the decade after bountygate, or what happened to the Raiders with the Gruden leaks, etc. If we had given Shough the fully guaranteed contract while 10 players ahead of him were still unsigned, forcing 10 other teams by precedent to give guaranteed contracts, we would have put a target on the teams back. That would have had major repercussions. The NFL is not a benevolent democracy, its mob rule, and you have play your cards smart to avoid getting the knife in your back. We played it smart by waiting until the pick ahead of Shough got a guaranteed deal and then doing the same, so it only affected us. That was fine. There is the 10-20% possibility that Shough will be the next Josh Rosen, Christian Hackenburg, etc, every QB pick especially in later rounds is a risk, but that will only cost us like 1% of the cap. Caving on league interests could have cost us much much more, like playoff eliminations, manufactured investigations forfeiting picks, Super Bowl hosting opportunities, etc.

saintsfan1976 · 07-21-2025, 07:13 PM

I'm not mad at it.

K Major · 07-22-2025, 10:31 AM

Hot take ..

Tyler Shough will be become a better NFL QB than Dart inside of 3 seasons.

The tools are there. We'll see.

saintsfan1976 · 07-22-2025, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Hot take ..

Tyler Shough will be become a better NFL QB than Dart inside of 3 seasons.

The tools are there. We'll see.

System found it's operator.

07-19-2025, 03:43 PM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,025 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...nteed-contract So is there collusion on guaranteed contracts or neaux ?

07-19-2025, 06:58 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,784	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...nteed-contract So is there collusion on guaranteed contracts or neaux ? I have a feeling that you may not understand what collusion actually is, Smash. Shough’s agent knew that the fact Shough is pegged to be the starter gave him leverage and when push came to shove they guaranteed the whole contract. Given the whole contract was less than every other starting QB in the league is getting for a single season it is extremely reasonable. What exactly is it that you think might be collusion? And who would the parties that are colluding with others to create collusion? I am confused.

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07-21-2025, 06:26 PM	#5
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,343	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings Dart and Shough were the two quarterbacks we identified as potential franchise leaders. When Dart came off the board, we went with Shough. Once you make that kind of pick, especially at quarterback, you stand behind it. The leap’s already been taken. At that point, what does guaranteed money really mean against the cap? If he turns out to suck, we are in a terrible situation regardless. I have faith in this guy though. Other second-rounders are getting it. If we believe in him, we should show it. If anything, it could lift some pressure and help him play more freely. saintsfan1976 and SmashMouth like this.
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07-22-2025, 11:05 AM	#6
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,428	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings Originally Posted by hitta Dart and Shough were the two quarterbacks we identified as potential franchise leaders. When Dart came off the board, we went with Shough. Once you make that kind of pick, especially at quarterback, you stand behind it. The leap’s already been taken. At that point, what does guaranteed money really mean against the cap? If he turns out to suck, we are in a terrible situation regardless. I have faith in this guy though. Other second-rounders are getting it. If we believe in him, we should show it. If anything, it could lift some pressure and help him play more freely. The guaranteed money wasn't the risk, caving early was the risk. If you want to know what being public enemy #1 of the NFL means, look at what happened to us in the 2018 NFCCG, officiating against the Saints in the decade after bountygate, or what happened to the Raiders with the Gruden leaks, etc. If we had given Shough the fully guaranteed contract while 10 players ahead of him were still unsigned, forcing 10 other teams by precedent to give guaranteed contracts, we would have put a target on the teams back. That would have had major repercussions. The NFL is not a benevolent democracy, its mob rule, and you have play your cards smart to avoid getting the knife in your back. We played it smart by waiting until the pick ahead of Shough got a guaranteed deal and then doing the same, so it only affected us. That was fine. There is the 10-20% possibility that Shough will be the next Josh Rosen, Christian Hackenburg, etc, every QB pick especially in later rounds is a risk, but that will only cost us like 1% of the cap. Caving on league interests could have cost us much much more, like playoff eliminations, manufactured investigations forfeiting picks, Super Bowl hosting opportunities, etc.
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07-19-2025, 12:48 PM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,799	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings 10.8/4 years Let’s get to work. saintsfan1976 likes this.

07-21-2025, 07:13 PM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,066 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings I'm not mad at it.

07-22-2025, 10:31 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,848 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings Hot take .. Tyler Shough will be become a better NFL QB than Dart inside of 3 seasons. The tools are there. We'll see.

07-22-2025, 11:23 AM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,066 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings Originally Posted by K Major Hot take .. Tyler Shough will be become a better NFL QB than Dart inside of 3 seasons. The tools are there. We'll see. System found it's operator.