Saints’ Tyler Shough Wants Fully Guaranteed Deal, Delaying Second-Round Signings
 

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Or more precisely, Shough's agent is demanding a fully guaranteed contract. To be fair, only two of the 32 2nd round picks (#33 and #34) have been signed to date. As a comparison, only three of the 32 1st rounders remain unsigned and all 38 of the 3rd rounders have signed. Every agent out there is making the same demand for 2nd rounders to have the same guarantees as round one. Carson Schwesinger and Jayden Higgins, the two signed 2nd rounders, both received fully guaranteed contracts.

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Unless he holds out (unlikely since he's competing for QB1 and needs all reps) it doesn't matter too much.

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Which is why every other 2nd rounder is demanding it. Which, to be honest, I can't blame them for. An agent has got to work for his client.

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I can see both sides.

But if we're guaranteeing money, what guarantee does the franchise receive in exchange?

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I suppose that the agent doesn't hold the player out. But realistically, 2nd rounder salaries are only $1.79 million to $2.95 million a year over the four year term of the contract and a decent percentage of them make and stay with the team for the short haul, at least. That's really not that much to guarantee in the scheme of things.

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It’s all about the precident, once the contract money is guaranteed that money has to be put into an escrow account and the team needs to account for in annual Cap projections. It can be a serious cash constraint for some teams/owners.

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I believe that Gayle can cover that minimal 2nd round guarantee annually if needed. I'm seeing she's now worth $7.88 billion. That said, that "funding rule" appears to have a rather fuzzy definition.

Setting a New Standard for Guaranteed Contracts

From the article above ...

That did not happen. But we may have hit a turning point with the Cleveland Browns and Deshaun Watson. For years, clubs have told agents that a main reason for not guaranteeing contracts was the “funding rule” – an archaic league rule that says teams must put into escrow an amount of money equal to what they are guaranteeing a player in any contract beyond the first year.

Thanks to Jimmy Haslam and Andrew Berry of the Browns for doing what other NFL owners and executives have mostly been unwilling to do, despite comments and reports of other NFL owners bemoaning the move. We once again have proof that the funding rule is an artificial barrier to guaranteed money, and credit to David Mulugheta, Watson’s agent, for working with our union to push past it.

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We shouldnt have to be the team that caves on guarantees for the whole league. Realistically maybe Shough is great or maybe he is the next Christian Hackenburg or Josh Rosen. If he is a bust or continues to be injured those guarantees will hurt. I am sure Gayle has the money, but the salary cap still has limits, and as we saw with Zack Baun, teams can do a lot with a few million.

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interesting. A "decent percentage" according to research is approximately 27%.

From years 2000-2017, only 27% of the second round picks signed a second contract with the same team.

Injuries, coaching changes, performance, etc all play into it but that's a small number especially compared to 1st rounders (46% retention rate).

I just don't see the value in it unless the team receives a guarantee in return.

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If Tyler Shough expects to continue to be in the mix for a starting gig, he needs to be out there competing with the Bayou Rattler. If he holds out for this guaranteed contract as a result of his agent, the opportunity may pass him by. Did he get any guarantees when he went to Louisville for a year? I suspect we'll get clarity before the real camp rolls around.

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He hasn't held out. It is common for players to sign a waiver which allows for them to practice without having signed their contract. Right now his agent is just playing the same game as every other 2nd rounder's agent. He wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't trying to get as much as possible.

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I hold nothing against Shough. However the slope is slippery.

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I suspect the retention percentage of 2nd rounders will will climb a bit more if they all end up getting the guarantees. Especially if/when the league moves to expansion to 36 teams. That's basically 75 more players required counting practice squad per team or 300 more players total league wide. The second round will be more like 1b rather than 2. They would become less disposable due to the dilution. I would think teams would be more likely too give them more chances to succeed.

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I may be wrong but your posts seem to be somewhat defensive of Shough. If that’s the case, I think it’s a bit unnecessary. I don’t think anyone is slamming the guy. They’re simply saying if he holds out and wants guarantees similar to what first rounders get, then he can’t complain if they give the keys to Rattler to start the season.

I think everyone understands it’s a business. But like 76 said, it’s a slippery slope.

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Its business. Nothing to see here. Move along.

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The first of the remaining 2nd rounders, #43 Alfred Collins, just signed a deal that totaled 87% guaranteed. I suspect that Shough will be getting a deal soon for a slightly higher percentage. I'll bet they are all signed in the next couple of days.

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There's another 2nd round signing. No details yet. Pick #62 I believe.

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No kidding.

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There's another.

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The 2nd round signings keeps comin in.

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Sounds like COLUSION amongst 2nd round picks agents!! :rofl:

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INCONCTHIEVABLE!! :rolleyes: ;) :p:p:p

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Speaking of Shough, I heard he earned degrees at all three colleges he attended.