Time to trade Olave?

SmashMouth · 07-14-2025, 08:55 PM

If this is the new WR market, I say let's get value while we can.

AsylumGuido · 07-15-2025, 07:52 AM

If you are hoping to have an elite WR on your roster you'll have to pay the going rate.

voodooido · 07-15-2025, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If you are hoping to have an elite WR on your roster you'll have to pay the going rate.

He is more broke down than he is elite. However, some people might see him that way, so a trade might be in order. Get something while you can.

AsylumGuido · 07-15-2025, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

He is more broke down than he is elite. However, some people might see him that way, so a trade might be in order. Get something while you can.

The team knows EXACTLY what they have in him far better than what we as fans think. Besides a single minor ankle sprain Olave has only suffered some very minor Grade 1 concussions in his pro career. There probably isn't a player in college or the NFL that hasn't experienced Grade 1 concussions. The league is being far more deliberate in tracking them these days for obvious reasons. This includes monitoring for even minor symptoms for days following certain hits.

If we had been in the running for anything last season he wouldn't have even been placed on IR. Under Dennis Allen we had several questionable IR assignments.

voodooido · 07-18-2025, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The team knows EXACTLY what they have in him far better than what we as fans think. Besides a single minor ankle sprain Olave has only suffered some very minor Grade 1 concussions in his pro career. There probably isn't a player in college or the NFL that hasn't experienced Grade 1 concussions. The league is being far more deliberate in tracking them these days for obvious reasons. This includes monitoring for even minor symptoms for days following certain hits.

If we had been in the running for anything last season he wouldn't have even been placed on IR. Under Dennis Allen we had several questionable IR assignments.

Two concussions in a year is not minor. Not for anyone. And that’s the two we know of

AsylumGuido · 07-18-2025, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Two concussions in a year is not minor. Not for anyone. And that’s the two we know of

Just like every other player that experiences a concussion of any degree Olave went through the league's concussion protocol which requires as a final of five steps being "cleared by both the club physician and the independent neurological consultant to return to full activity". From what I have heard that basically means it has been determined that the player is subject to no greater danger than any other player playing the same position.

The player is more aware of any risk and is in a better position than any of us to weigh any risk. Playing in the NFL is risky for every player. That's one major reason why they get paid as much as they do. Let's not forget that these players have committed their entire lives to the privilege of playing in the league.

dizzle88 · 07-15-2025, 12:55 PM

Might be in the minority here, but never really seen Olave as elite.

2 just over 1000 yard seasons and highest TD count is 5, that's good production, but it isn't elite by any stretch of the imagination.

Seems a nice guy, but if another team wants to pay him, I wouldn't lose sleep over it, especially considering his concussion history and how it's probably better for his health to step away from football before it does serious damage.

stickman · 07-15-2025, 01:00 PM

I think Olave brings a lot to the table as a WR, and will concede he really hasn't had consistent QB play. That said, like dizzle, I am worried about his concussion history and would not blame him if he decided to hang it up an preserve his health.

AsylumGuido · 07-15-2025, 03:21 PM

It hasn't been until fairly recently that the league has even been labeling what Olave has experienced as a concussion. Grade 1, the most "severe" Olave has experienced, is the lowest graded level. It's basically shows no damage with all scans being well within the normal expectations. It is defined as having minor symptoms. That didn't even warrant a smelling salt which was broken out by trainers several times a game in the not too distant past.

By the way, there were 182 diagnosed concussions in the league last season alone. Believe it or not, that's the lowest number since the NFL even started tracking them in 2015. How about that? The league didn't even track them at all ten short years ago.

I could see the concern if Olave had experience Grade 2 or especially Grade 3.

Our friend here, Smash, recently posted about the "wussification" of the NFL recently. Being so concerned that one feels a player should be considering retiring because of a few of the very lowest level concussions is jumping with both feet forward into that same area that Smash had referred.

dizzle88 · 07-15-2025, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It hasn't been until fairly recently that the league has even been labeling what Olave has experienced as a concussion. Grade 1, the most "severe" Olave has experienced, is the lowest graded level. It's basically shows no damage with all scans being well within the normal expectations. It is defined as having minor symptoms. That didn't even warrant a smelling salt which was broken out by trainers several times a game in the not too distant past.

By the way, there were 182 diagnosed concussions in the league last season alone. Believe it or not, that's the lowest number since the NFL even started tracking them in 2015. How about that? The league didn't even track them at all ten short years ago.

I could see the concern if Olave had experience Grade 2 or especially Grade 3.

Our friend here, Smash, recently posted about the "wussification" of the NFL recently. Being so concerned that one feels a player should be considering retiring because of a few of the very lowest level concussions is jumping with both feet forward into that same area that Smash had referred.

Whilst you are probably right about the level of concussions received, anyone can believe that repeated bouts of the same injury can't be a good thing. Medicine is always evolving, so maybe there just isn't a good enough set of procedures yet to see what 4 concussions in 2 years actually looks like for the individual in later years.

As for the last point, "IF" Olave did choose to hang the cleats up, I'd consider him a very bright individual for not worrying about what others think about NFL toughness levels and instead prioritizing his future health.

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07-15-2025, 08:43 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,766	Re: Time to trade Olave? Originally Posted by voodooido He is more broke down than he is elite. However, some people might see him that way, so a trade might be in order. Get something while you can. The team knows EXACTLY what they have in him far better than what we as fans think. Besides a single minor ankle sprain Olave has only suffered some very minor Grade 1 concussions in his pro career. There probably isn't a player in college or the NFL that hasn't experienced Grade 1 concussions. The league is being far more deliberate in tracking them these days for obvious reasons. This includes monitoring for even minor symptoms for days following certain hits. If we had been in the running for anything last season he wouldn't have even been placed on IR. Under Dennis Allen we had several questionable IR assignments.
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07-18-2025, 10:00 AM	#5
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,846	Re: Time to trade Olave? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The team knows EXACTLY what they have in him far better than what we as fans think. Besides a single minor ankle sprain Olave has only suffered some very minor Grade 1 concussions in his pro career. There probably isn't a player in college or the NFL that hasn't experienced Grade 1 concussions. The league is being far more deliberate in tracking them these days for obvious reasons. This includes monitoring for even minor symptoms for days following certain hits. If we had been in the running for anything last season he wouldn't have even been placed on IR. Under Dennis Allen we had several questionable IR assignments. Two concussions in a year is not minor. Not for anyone. And that’s the two we know of
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07-18-2025, 11:03 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,766	Re: Time to trade Olave? Originally Posted by voodooido Two concussions in a year is not minor. Not for anyone. And that’s the two we know of Just like every other player that experiences a concussion of any degree Olave went through the league's concussion protocol which requires as a final of five steps being "cleared by both the club physician and the independent neurological consultant to return to full activity". From what I have heard that basically means it has been determined that the player is subject to no greater danger than any other player playing the same position. The player is more aware of any risk and is in a better position than any of us to weigh any risk. Playing in the NFL is risky for every player. That's one major reason why they get paid as much as they do. Let's not forget that these players have committed their entire lives to the privilege of playing in the league.
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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,546	Re: Time to trade Olave? Might be in the minority here, but never really seen Olave as elite. 2 just over 1000 yard seasons and highest TD count is 5, that's good production, but it isn't elite by any stretch of the imagination. Seems a nice guy, but if another team wants to pay him, I wouldn't lose sleep over it, especially considering his concussion history and how it's probably better for his health to step away from football before it does serious damage. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,812	Re: Time to trade Olave? I think Olave brings a lot to the table as a WR, and will concede he really hasn't had consistent QB play. That said, like dizzle, I am worried about his concussion history and would not blame him if he decided to hang it up an preserve his health. Rugby Saint II likes this.

07-15-2025, 03:21 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,766	Re: Time to trade Olave? It hasn't been until fairly recently that the league has even been labeling what Olave has experienced as a concussion. Grade 1, the most "severe" Olave has experienced, is the lowest graded level. It's basically shows no damage with all scans being well within the normal expectations. It is defined as having minor symptoms. That didn't even warrant a smelling salt which was broken out by trainers several times a game in the not too distant past. By the way, there were 182 diagnosed concussions in the league last season alone. Believe it or not, that's the lowest number since the NFL even started tracking them in 2015. How about that? The league didn't even track them at all ten short years ago. I could see the concern if Olave had experience Grade 2 or especially Grade 3. Our friend here, Smash, recently posted about the "wussification" of the NFL recently. Being so concerned that one feels a player should be considering retiring because of a few of the very lowest level concussions is jumping with both feet forward into that same area that Smash had referred.
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07-15-2025, 03:52 PM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,546	Re: Time to trade Olave? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It hasn't been until fairly recently that the league has even been labeling what Olave has experienced as a concussion. Grade 1, the most "severe" Olave has experienced, is the lowest graded level. It's basically shows no damage with all scans being well within the normal expectations. It is defined as having minor symptoms. That didn't even warrant a smelling salt which was broken out by trainers several times a game in the not too distant past. By the way, there were 182 diagnosed concussions in the league last season alone. Believe it or not, that's the lowest number since the NFL even started tracking them in 2015. How about that? The league didn't even track them at all ten short years ago. I could see the concern if Olave had experience Grade 2 or especially Grade 3. Our friend here, Smash, recently posted about the "wussification" of the NFL recently. Being so concerned that one feels a player should be considering retiring because of a few of the very lowest level concussions is jumping with both feet forward into that same area that Smash had referred. Whilst you are probably right about the level of concussions received, anyone can believe that repeated bouts of the same injury can't be a good thing. Medicine is always evolving, so maybe there just isn't a good enough set of procedures yet to see what 4 concussions in 2 years actually looks like for the individual in later years. As for the last point, "IF" Olave did choose to hang the cleats up, I'd consider him a very bright individual for not worrying about what others think about NFL toughness levels and instead prioritizing his future health.
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