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Gus Frerotte could have had a better performance behind our offensive line than Brooks.

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Preachin' to the choir brother.

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Sports Illustrated, ESPN, Fox Sports, CBS Sports and countless other football analysts and writers have been saying the same thing for almost 3 years, in addition to many posters here. What is it about AB that this FO sees that the rest of the world doesn't?

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"POTENTIAL"...

..that, and fear of change...

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I agree with that. Potential is what he has. But only with the correct coaching. He is not a leader and no one has done anything to make him into a leader.

On one play yesterday he fumbled the snap for the 2nd time that day. He got booed and then the next play you could see it in his eyes, he had this attitude like "you think that was bad, watch this," and then he rolled into the endzone and was sacked for a safety in the back of the end zone mind you, not trying to make his way out.

I think he's done if you ask me. He'll start the rest of the season but I think he's done and may be a backup the rest of his time in the NFL.

Actually Halo, he was sent to leadership classes off-season before last. Fat lot of good that did. And the coaches for two years have barked how he has been more vocal in the offseason and leading the team, before they have to play actual games that is. Coaching plays a part, but some people just don't have it. AB doesn't have it, has never had it, and it can't be taught to him.

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I agree with you Halo, Brooks doesnt have the natural leader insticts, and guys around him can sense that. Brooks can make every NFL throw there is, and better than most QB'S. But the lack of leadership has really hurt his game.

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Bottom line, Brooks does not have IT. "IT" being defined as the rare combination of skills, instincts and leadership to win football games. Favre has IT, Brady has IT, Manning has IT, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Elway, Aikman all had IT. Saints will never rise above mediocrity with Brooks at the helm. And depressingly, mediocrity as a goal seems out of reach for this year...I'm not saying the Saints miserable showing these past few years is all Brook's fault. It's not. there is plenty of blame to go around. But Brooks is not the man becuase he does not have IT. And Brooks will never develop IT. Some guys have IT and some don't.

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Jeff Blake took us to 10-6 in 2000. Though Aaron played the playoff game, it was not Brooks that got us there.

IMO, the wrong choice was made the following season. I know Blake opened cold, and the broken leg was a concern. Still, I think Blake earned 2001 year as the starter. Instead, Brooks was chosen, given a phat contract, and the team has teeeeeetered ever since, then spiraled downward. Blake should've been chosen, and a young quarterback should've been drafted or traded to groom behind him.

Still, my main gripe isn't with Aaron, or any other player on the team, for that matter. Rather, I believe the fundamental problem starts at the top, in particular at the desk of Tom Benson (for evidence, see R. Meuller, A Fielkow). He's an idiot, and whatever success this team may have achieved, he fired it before it could blossom.

Insert sarcasm here.... "boy, trading away Ricky Williams for two first round draft picks just before he decides to retire, well, what a -BONEHEAD- move. It's -such- an idiot move, lemme just fire the guy who made that terrible decision." -- Translation, Benson is an idiot, and should keep his nose out of operations.

Seriously, though, as long as Benson owns this team, it'll never be successful. I'm waiting for him to die. Coldblooded as it sounds, perhaps we'll finally taste success after that cretin expires.

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I say we keep Brooks as our second, cut Bouman, AMAC as the number three and get another good QB hell anybody can be more of a leader then Brooks. He is becoming awful.

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I am telling you that AB is not a leader. I don't care where you read it or heard it before, I am telling you from experience in the USMC and Business for 30 years. A leader does not stand on the side lines laughing and having a good time when they are losing by 20. I'm not talking about yesterday alone, you can pick the game, any game.

How many times does he get called for delay of game, when the game is on the line? How many times does he fumble when no one has touched him? How many times does he throw an interception into the end zone? No sense of urgency, EVER!

You can try and defend that all you want, but there has to be a leader on the field and there is, but everyone is following him into the crapper. If you don't believe it fine. But make a point other than asking questions about everyone elses points.

Bobby Hebert was a leader. The team believed in him and did everything for him. He did'nt have half the skills that AB does but had alot of heart and integrity. Two words that AB has only seen in movies, oh he probably didn't see those movies either.

We cut the playbook in half this year to accomodate Mr. Brooks and he still can't get it right. You can throw the ball as hard as you want but it's the reception that counts. Mr. Brooks has worn out his (reception) and I was being nice when I said a second stringer. The Packers let him go for a reason and it was because he is not smart and has no common sense, hence the reason for the playbook experiment after 5 years. He still can't do it and never will. We should have kept Delhomme, yes I said it. Delhomme seems to win does'nt he?

I will rest my damn case now, before I pop an artery and if you are going to come back with, " tell me where it says he's not a leader", then I will know why you are defending him! Have a few leadership issues do we?

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Dude you are always at a loss. You are the ONLY one in this thread that defends AB. Heck probably the only one in this forum nowadays. Your're like the weird uncle that comes over uninvited and can't figure out why everyone looks at you funny. I know I said that I would not reply to your posts nymore but I guess I gotta have "Faith" that something will "clique" with you and you discover the error of your ways.

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Thanks Wood, BOB needs a reality check.

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Why can't anyone see the the problem is EVERYWHERES... Its the line its the D its the coaching its the ownership. Some people seem to think we get rid of brooks and that solves everything. Doesn't matter who you put up behind our line he'll suck... Didn't Brooks have a better game than Farve this past weekend?

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Do you think you could work a little Peyton Manning action behind our line ??

I would love to see that ......

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Brooks is a fool. Benson is an even bigger fool.

Anyone that can't see that isn't worth talking to.

Here's what really bugs me. In the past 10 years or so there have been three very highly publicized QB's who grew up in NO or the vicinity, and after their college careers were over, we didn't even make a push at getting any one of them. You all know their names...I don't even have to mention them. My concerns about this franchise and it's true intentions began when I saw this happen. Why wouldn't you want local, talented kids playing for you? Why wouldn't you go after them? Why do we have to settle for watching a clown for the last five years? The decision to remain satisfied with the present cast and not make a play for some real players has caused me to lose a lot of fire as a fan of this team. I feel that I have been betrayed.

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Blake took us to 7-4 and part of his last game when he broke his leg and Brooks finished up the game that we already were going to win. So Blake was more than likely going to be 8-4. Brooks was actually only 2-2 in 2000. But Thank God he won our only playoff game. Blake should have been able to come back and start in 2001 but they thought Brooks was going to be a big star. After his first three full time seasons I think he was done then. Of course by the time he was done Jake was at Carolina by that time. I think it is time for us to try Adrian McPherson. He could be better than Michael Vick maybe but more athletic. If we start him now we could possibly finish at least 6-10. Just my thoughts.
Peace
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6-10?? Are you NUTS? While this could happen, do we want another year with Hasbeen, a mediocre draft relegating us to rant about the same things we've been moaning about for the last 3 years??? Let AB play himself into obscurity...Let Haslett lose control and get "redeployed"...Let Mr. Benson try to dress this pig up so that he can sell it to an ownership group that cares about the citizens who support it.

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Aaron Brooks verses the Vikings:

37.5% completion rate. 199 yards. 1 TD 2 INTs 43.6 passer rating.

Jake Delhomme verses the vikings:

70% completion rate. 341 yards. 3 TDs O INTs. 141.1 passer rating.

Had enough yet?

Aaron Brooks on the year:

53.6% completion rate. 1754 yards. 6 TDs. 10 INTs. 4 fumbles. 67.1 completion rate.

Jake Delhomme on the year:

Now these are his numbers with a bye, meaning one less game played than Aaron is your god Brooks.

60% completion rate. 1677 yards. 13Tds 8 INTs 3 fumbles. 92 passer rating.

Wanna go to last year? Stick a fork in you. This is a losing argument for three straight years now.

Again, I continue to be amazed at the folks who will stand up and deflect criticism off of Broooks.

I do not believe that this loss was his fault alone. His protection certainly could have been better.
The defense played a decent game, and from a points standpoint, they did their job.

With regard to Brooks, he was staring into a banged up D and should have been able to get more done.

- How does he continue to fumble snaps? It's really amazing.

- I had given AB alot of credit this year for stepping up into the pocket and either taking off or getting rid of the ball. On Sunday, he did not do this. How a man who has taken that many snaps can regress randomly is beyond me. He fixes one thing and breaks another...on and on and on and on. It's enough. It's like a whackamole with him. Alot of the pressure he got was from the corners. There are alot of slower QBs who would have avoided some of those sacks by stepping into the pocket and making a decision. Instead, AB goes back to his patented "run backwards and spin around avoiding the first tackler only to be tackled even further behind the line". There is not a QB in the league who does this nearly as much as him. OUR D would sack him 5 times because we always come around the ends and get pushed outside. The QB steps up and has 3 more seconds to make a decision instead of going backwards INTO the pressure. If you can't see this after all these years of watching it, then you never will. AB's pocket presence put AT LEAST 5 points on the board. The 25 yard loss totally changed the Dolphins approach at the end of the first. And the safety was a direct result of the scenario I described above.

- I won't blame him for the pick, because it did look like Devery looked confused on the route. This is called OBJECTIVITY. AB leg humpers might take a look at this word.

- I saw someone mention our porous D. They gave up 19 points to a bad offense, but it's still only 19 points. The Saints should score more than 21 points every week. 17 against a bad Rams D. 3 against a banged up Packers D and now 6 against another banged up D in Miami. Our offense is our problem. The D could use a better pass rush and is certainly not elite, but they are better this year than they were last year.

- Over the course of this losing streak, the team has given up 5 non offensive TDs and a safety, with none of those being kick returns. That's ignoring turnovers on the other side of the field, which calls were bad, etc. That accounts for 37 points. Over the same course of time, we have scored 57 points on offense. Take out the Falcons game and our offense has been absolutely inept during this losing streak Take out the 1st qtr of the Rams game and we don't even have an offense over the course of 11 qrtrs. Sit on that...think about it. That's on the QB and the coaching staff.

It goes to the point that when your defense is on the field all the time then you are going to lose games. they can only go at it for so long. They are doing a lot better this year. Just need some changes????

Hey Whodi, thanks. I don't think BOB is ever going to let it go, oh well. Yasoon, I did'nt overlook you, thanks. Everyone please help BOB understand that the first sign of insanity is when you keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect the same result.

Thanks again Mr. Stat Man.

AB is not the answer for us at QB, and I have been calling for his replacement for quite some time now. However, with that being said, I have a comment regarding his back-pedaling. This is something AB use to do a lot of, then toned it down for a while, and now it is back. I think that some of the same people that are criticizing him for doing this have in the past stated that AB needs to run the ball more often. The problem is that AB is a step or two slower than he thinks he is. It seems to me that at some point in time he realized this and quit trying, but lately he has had a little success scrambling and moving the sticks on occasions, and coupled with the fact that people are encouraging him to run more often like he use to do, maybe he has regressed into thinking he is fast enough to escape, and is learning all over again that he is not.

Bobby Hebert was the reason we were good those years... as I recalled he didn't play on that Defense.

Hey what if we were talking about Jason Craft and his Blown coverages.

No he would be said to be getting beat and having TD's scored on HIM. The talk about AB is that he does stupid things, runs backwards, throws into coverage, behind receivers and into the ground, has no touch passes and no pocket presence. Brooks puts the defense in short field protection. No one says he is the destructoin of the entire team but he sure isn't helping either. He is supposed to be the leader, the guy making plays, the guy using his brain. Craft hasn't been with us for 5 years and i'm ready to see him go and brooks has been with us for 5 years and he's past time to go. My point being that we are calling out an individual that is making individual mistakes on a contant basis and that isn't going to change. We have 5 years of proof for that.

By the way you are the one that blames the defense for not scoring points for us to win which is giving the blame to the defense and not brooks. So your point about craft, well is just pointless.

It will be the same only if bowman becomes the starter. But to think that the defense needs to score becuse your QB(leader) can't make smart plays and laying the blame on them for not putting points on the board is just well.... B.S.

The one thing about the "Craft v Brooks" argument that seems to get lost is Haslett has taken Craft out and inserted Thomas, and Craft is now playing sparingly. He's not done that with Brooks. The coaching staff is as much to blame over who is on the field as the players who make the mistakes. It may be that the coaching staff has absolutely NO confidence in Bouman, he simply exists on the roster so as to not threaten what little emotional balance the QB staff has and to not actually compete. It may be that the best chance the Saints have today of winning is with Brooks, by design. I'd love to give my banker a pair of those beer goggles so I can get a bigger house.

Like Bobby Herbert said, if the drop-off from Brooks to Bouman is that bad, then why is Bouman even on the roster?

Insanity, is criticizing 1 in a team sport, insanity is when your team has sucked for 38 years, is sucking now and will suck after the present QB is long gone. Thinking that things will be different, that's insane!- Quote from BlackonBlack

So you think that things will never change. Hmm.. Some fan. After all these years of ulcers I still think that the Saints will someday be the team that the Buc's became. Or the Patriots. Do you think that the Saints will always
mediocre at best? Why bother?

Keep the faith brother.

38 years is an awful long time. For me, it has been exactly that...an AWFUL long time. 8)