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1st half Offense Assessment

Scoring ---- 15.6 ----- 26th in NFL
TD's ---- 12 ----- 24th
Total Plays ---- 513 ----- 3rd
Total Yards ---- 323.4 ----- 19th
First Downs ---- 20.8 ----- 6th
3rd Downs ---- 105 ----- 6th
3rd D Conv % - 36.2 ----- 15th
Penalties ---- 76 ----- 1st
T O P ---- 30:35 ----- 13th
Fumbles ---- 15 ----- T7th
Fumbles Lost -- 12 ----- 1st
Interceptions -- 11 ----- T4th

QB Rating 67.1 38th of Starting NFL QBs with at least 2 games started
4 fumbles with 2 lost
23 Sacks for 155 yards

This offense wastes a lot of time going nowhere. 64% of the time it doesn't convert, and converts less frequently because the yardage is long.

Then, when it does go somewhere, it is more likely to fumble or throw an interception than to score a td by a 2 to 1 margin

Time of possession is better than last year because the team has employed 3% (45%) more running plays. However the yardage per run is actually higher than last year, which poses the question, "why do the Saints pass so much." Opponents are rushing over 54% of the time on the Saints.

This team does not get many red zone opportunities, nor does it capitalize on them.

Most turnovers have occured deep in own territory. Carelessness seems to pervade the entire offense as most every player has coughed up the ball once.

The penalties are at a higher rate than 2004 where the Saints had 129 total. This team could set an NFL record.

Scoring is down as well, though the timing of the scoring has changed dramatically from last season. There have been many opening drives with scores this season, but few points scored in the second half of games.

Even in a rout, the offense doesn't ring up the kind of "garbage time" numbers other teams may.

For as mobile as he is hyped to be, Brooks gets sacked more often than all but 2 qbs. Surprisingly, Brooks has the worst rating of any qb with more than 18 sacks. Kyle Orton of the Bears has a slightly worse rating, though 7 fewer sacks, but does not have a Pro Bowl RB or WR to assist him in his offense; he is also a rookie.

According to FootBall Outsiders, the Saints offense is ranked 24th while the O-Line is ranked 13th! Aaron Brooks is ranked 24th. Antawain Smith is ranked 27th, though there are several RB's out for the season and Deuce McAllister was only ranked 22nd. Dante Stallworth is 24th WR, Az Hakim is 35th, while ProBowler Joe Horn is 45th. Ernie Conwell is ranked 38th in TE's.

Somehow it seems that the skill players are not meeting anyone's expectations. It doesn't appear to be an O-line problem. This is a coaching and QB problem.

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This is a coaching and QB problem.

Nice work. I have been saying the quoted part for over two years now. But damn nice breakdown. I like football insiders as well. Their DVOA rankings are on point. But, good job xan.

thats awfully high to rank our Offensive line but I see they may have only used rushing average to come up with that ranking with taking into account the line has givin up the 3rd most sacks in the league.

Dude, give it up. No line can block for a QB who backpedals at least 7 steps EVERY pass, and can not make quick decisions, and doesn't look before he throws. Give it a rest already. I bet you could find a way to explain off each and every AB blunder, even the fumbles where noone touches him. That is probably the league's fault for making the balls the same size for everyone, and not making a special size for AB huh? I guess when he double pumped that pass to Al Harris, that was soemone esle's fault, maybe Al Harris' for reacting to the area where AB just pumped. Why couldn't he be more like Jason Craft right? I bet the INT into triple coverage in the giants game was the receivers fault for getting himself triple covered, not AB's for throwing it into triple coverage right? Noone's buying your excuses. But I am sure the PR team could use your help when we trade AB to some sucker team that thinks he still has some unlocked hidden talent that makes him a better option than a steaming pile of poo under center. I would prefer the poo to what we get now.

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Lady you should give it up, no 1 player can take 4 DL jumping on him and still be standing. Stats are what? misleading how many times have I flipped your stats on you and made you run away? countless!

Did you to girls watch the game Sunday? Haslett was ask about the OL post game, and he was furious at them to say the least.And evidently the Reporter was knowledgeable to notice how bad they were to ask the question in the first place.

You and your other girlfriends are in here eveyday to swing that Brooks is the cause of whatever ills the Saints...This team was a loser before Brooks got here and will be a loser after he is gone, where is the stat for that? How many playoff wins prior to Brooks? How many Lombardi Trophies? Brooks has brought shame to the winning ways of the Saints?

Hey Look who just got home from school. Since you don't really have a good argument you go straight to name calling. I seriously doubt anyone runs from your points. If anything they run from how pointless your points are. I'll say this for you to make you happy, Brooks is not the cause for all of the saints ills. He IS at fault for our quarterbacking ills. Now go get some sleep so you can get up refreshed tomorrow and get back on the short bus back to school.

...exactly D gave up the 3rd most rushing yards, and 2nd most rush TD's allowed... I guess If Brooks played better on the D-line they could be ranked 1.

I am not defending Books just saying that the whole team sucks not one person is going to fix this team.

Let me first say I fail to see how you get away with name calling every time you respond to anyone. If I returned the favor, I would prob earn both of us an e-mail. It would prob be better to nip this now and not return the favor. I hope all involved see that I am taking the high road.

Next, run from stats? Flip them on me? Every time you say something ridiculous you run when I blow it away. I am still waiting for your response to those stats I posted in another thread. You are still running. How come no Jake references this week? None? Not one? Try again.

Last, you really wanna pull out one stat and stand on it. Okay:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statis...on=2&year=2005

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statis...=2005&season=2

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statis...on=2&year=2005

How about some articles:

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From a Gregg Easterbrook article on NFL.com

Never Run Backward! There is one player in the NFL who should be allowed to run backward, and he is Dante Hall. Everyone else, it's pretty simple -- run forward, not backward. Miami leading 6-3 and the United States Saints facing third-and-6 in Dolphins territory, Aaron Brooks of the Saints reversed his field backward three times and ended up being sacked for a 25-yard loss. Later, Miami leading 9-6 and New Orleans facing third-and-17 on its own 8, Brooks ran backward into his end zone and was sacked for a safety. Not only is it nutty to run backward toward your own end zone, it's especially nutty to do this on third-and-17 when a punt on the next snap is likely. New Orleans ended up with 68 yards lost on sacks in a 21-6 defeat.

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2. I think, and I do not mean to call out this man every week, but I'm picking on Aaron Brooks again. He makes some of the dumbest plays I've ever seen in a football game. Did you see that 25-yard sack he took? Inexcusable. And the safety? Yes, the offensive line is killing New Orleans. There is something about the instinct of playing quarterback that Brooks is missing.

http://www.blackandgold.net/site/ind...wtopic&t=11045

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From FoxSports.com...

8. QB Aaron Brooks, New Orleans Saints

2004 salary: $3.3M base, $0 signing bonus, $3.5M total, $5.4 M cap value
2005 base salary: $5.5M

Here's why Brooks, despite the occasional spectacular play, is overrated: In 2004, he led the league in "failed completes." These are passes that, despite being caught, do not achieve the number of yards needed to be considered a "successful play" according to our metrics (45 percent of needed yards on first down, 60 percent on second down, 100 percent on third down). This is why Brooks' raw yardage totals are always better than his actual value when it comes to winning. PROTRADE.com writer Mark Kamal also reminds us that last season Brooks led QBs in 1-yard TD runs while only half of his TD passes came from outside the 10-yard line. Consider as well that he had more sacks and turnovers than all but two NFL quarterbacks.

Brooks will make $5.5 million this season in base salary ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â good for fourth-best in the league ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â but last season he ranked as 19th best, just ahead of Kyle Boller.

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Atlanta (3-2) at New Orleans (2-3)
Saints return "home" to San Antonio without their MVP, Deuce McAllister, putting the ball far too often in the hands of Aaron Brooks, who will do more harm than good with it. Mike Vick shakes off the rust and, in an upset, doesn't get KO'd.
Atlanta 20, New Orleans 10

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/w ... index.html

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DOWN ON THE 'AINTS. From Mike of Alexandria, Va.: "I saw a bunch of guys standing in the middle of Lambeau Field Sunday watching the game in the middle field. On second glance, I noticed they were all wearing Saints jerseys! Are there any trades this team can make to help this underachieving offense and atrocious defense? Maybe a trade for Philip Rivers or LaVar Arrington?''

No one's trading for Rivers; he's not going anywhere 'til the offseason. I think what the Saints need to do is plan for life after Aaron Brooks. Too inconsistent, too many brainlock mistakes at bad times. For now, I think it's important that they stay away from using the woe-is-me defense. I understand they've been dealt a bad hand, but they seem to still be wallowing in it, at least judging from their performance Sunday in Green Bay.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/w ... bte/1.html

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Goat of the Week

New Orleans QB Aaron Brooks. How much longer do the Saints give this human turnover the reins? I know he throws for 3,500 yards every year, and I know he seduces fans with his arm and legs, but he just makes too many dumb plays to be a winning quarterback in this league. Throwing two first-half picks, both to Al Harris, doomed his team's chance on Sunday at Lambeau. It wasn't just that he threw the picks. It was how he threw them, especially the first one: staring down his receiver-in this case, Donte' Stallworth -- and enabling Harris to recover, step in front of Stallworth and run it back 22 yards for a touchdown.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/w ... ek5/2.html

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And then there's Brooks. Sooner or later there comes a time in every game when the Saints quarterback will absolutely kill you. His interception to Packers cornerback Al Harris in the first quarter at Lambeau Field -- which Harris took to the house for a 14-3 Green Bay lead -- was a pass that a high school sophomore knows better than to throw.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/w ... index.html

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2. Isn't it time to concede the Saints go nowhere with Aaron Brooks?

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8946792/2

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"It didn't take long for the Saints to go from being pitied to being pitiful again, did it? God, I wish we had some of their talent around our team. But the quarterback, in our estimation, isn't a guy you can win with, and they have got to be one of the most undisciplined teams around. For the second week in a row, they put themselves in a hole by fumbling the opening kickoff. And then, when they got back into the game in the fourth quarter, [free safety] Dwight Smith gets a taunting penalty. You can't be doing that kind of [stuff], right? But they do it all the time."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/s ... id=2172616

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3. I think the New Orleans Saints continue to learn a very painful lesson each week, and it has nothing to do with not having a home field: The more you rely on Aaron Brooks to win, the more you lose.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/w ... ek3/4.html

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6. The feel-good New Orleans Saints will fade quickly because Aaron Brooks is the most fraudulent QB in the NFL.

Saints fans better enjoy the Week 1 miracle because Brooks will continue to get in the way of the Saints' enjoying consistent success. The Saints have the necessary personnel to field a potent offense -- a decent line, top-flight receivers and a big-play running back.

However, Brooks is the anti-Tom Brady. Brooks makes stupid decisions, has zero leadership ability and isn't particularly tough or poised in the pocket

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... 0915&num=0

Go run away from that.

Wham!!!! He was asking for all the quotes degrading brooks glad you were able to provide them for him. I swear he must be AB's lover or relative.

I think lots of people wants get down on Brooks and that is fine... but lets look at the big picture and see all the 'ills'.

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I hope all involved see that I am taking the high road.

Noted and appreciated.

Who would be the bigger fool? The fool himself, or the person who can't come up with anything more to do than point a finger and scream the word, "Fool!"

Alright ........

You guys start the name calling in this thread and I am gonna lock it down .

Knock that chit off

Argue the post not the poster ........

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I hope all involved see that I am taking the high road

Also noted an appreciated. Nice slam there Whodi. Game, set, match.

Man, those were a lot of complaints.

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I'll say this for you to make you happy, Brooks is not the cause for all of the saints ills. He IS at fault for our quarterbacking ills.

BINGO. Well said Lynwood. This team overall is pretty crappy, but at QB Brooks is especially crappy. Everything that goes wrong in the offense that has something to do with the quarterback position can pretty much be blamed on "THE HUMAN TURNOVER."

"Bad News Brooks" is what I call him.

Now can we talk bad about someone else on the team... lets say... HENDERSON

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I'll say this for you to make you happy, Brooks is not the cause for all of the saints ills. He IS at fault for our quarterbacking ills.

You are totally right there, he is the cause for the QB'ing issues for the Saints. Just like the others before he were the ills for the previous 33 years before Brooks. Strange that the ills Brooks has with the Saints are the same ills a QB in Carolina has but his team still wins despite that....Hhhhmmmm???

When the next ills at the QB position comes in and probably does worse than Brooks, what will you do with your spare time?

We had a good QB his name was Blake. Somehow Brooks got the credit for his season. I also notice when your argument has no ground you go into the " Saints suck for 33 years" argument . Stop living in the past. Brooks is our QB now and has been for the past 5 years.The offensive line has not been the same for the past 5 years or the defensive line-up. So brooks issues in the past 5 years has been consistant no matter who was in front of him or who was on the defense. 5 years is plenty of time to judge a player and figure out what your gonna get. with brooks we've seen that we get bone headed plays, untoached fumbles, and backpeddling for huge losses more than we've seen positive plays by him. Yeah we've had QB issues for 33 years and you know what, people during those years were probably saying negative things about them during that time period they played. So lets focus on our time period and deal with Brooks. He is NOT going to be the guy to take us or any team to a superbowl. All the opposing defense has to do is blitz him and he'll beat himself.

And the next QB comes in and plays worse than Brooks believe me I'll be letting him have it. But if he plays better what will you be doing? Defending Brooks still? You think I have a personal vendetta against Brooks and I do not. I just don't think he can be a good QB, and he needs to be benched because of his play and not because of who he is personally. I bet if his name was Jake you'd be doggin him too.

ok, you got your ONE stat, here's several more that obviate your position:

Passing Defense 8th in NFL
Sacks 20th
Passing TDs 20th
Interceptions T20th
Avg Rush T22nd
Scoring D 19.7 - 26th - But how MANY redzone turnovers so far this year??? Let's have a look at that why don't we:

Brooks has turned the ball over in NO territory 8 times leading to 6TDs, one FG, one Saftey and one Punt.
As a team, there have been 14 turnovers in NO territory yielding 10 TDs, 2 FG's, one safety, one Punt and one End of half. Half of all opponents' TD's and 2 FGs, or 76 of the 155 points allowed by the defense, have been a direct result of short field situations caused by the offense/special teams. No other defense in the league has had to withstand this much pressure, including Houston. It may not be all Brooks' fault, but he's more than 70% at fault.

Note, it was said that stats get flipped on me, and I run, yet I posted stats and articles, and no response. Interesting.

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I'll say this for you to make you happy, Brooks is not the cause for all of the saints ills. He IS at fault for our quarterbacking ills.

You are totally right there, he is the cause for the QB'ing issues for the Saints. Just like the others before he were the ills for the previous 33 years before Brooks. Strange that the ills Brooks has with the Saints are the same ills a QB in Carolina has but his team still wins despite that....Hhhhmmmm???
When the next ills at the QB position comes in and probably does worse than Brooks, what will you do with your spare time?

I'll try this again since you RAN from answering it in the other thread, and are already running in this one:

Aaron Brooks verses the Vikings:

37.5% completion rate. 199 yards. 1 TD 2 INTs 43.6 passer rating.

Jake Delhomme verses the vikings:

70% completion rate. 341 yards. 3 TDs O INTs. 141.1 passer rating.

Had enough yet?

Aaron Brooks on the year:

53.6% completion rate. 1754 yards. 6 TDs. 10 INTs. 4 fumbles. 67.1 completion rate.

Jake Delhomme on the year:

Now these are his numbers with a bye, meaning one less game played than Aaron is your god Brooks.

60% completion rate. 1677 yards. 13Tds 8 INTs 3 fumbles. 92 passer rating.

Wanna go to last year? Stick a fork in you. This is a losing argument for three straight years now.

Jake turns the ball over he comes back and gives you a TD.
Brooks turns the ball over he comes back and gets you a safty.

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Isn't Jake tied with Brooks in Turnovers?

LMAO!!! I asked you in another thread to quit embarrassing yourself, and you refuse to do it.

First, I am gonna point out how you ignored ALL the stats in my post, and just posted the top line. That is just sad.

Next, I am gonna show how you NEVER know what you are talking about. Brooks has 7 total TDs on the year and 12 turnovers.

Jake has 13 TDS and 11 turnovers. So no, Jake is not tied with Aaron in turnovers, and he has more TDs. Just stop. This only gets worse for you.

I'm sorry, are you trying to tell us Brooks is gonna make up 6 TDs and 30 passer rating points in one week? Go away.

Jake has thrown nearly twice as many touchdowns as Aaron Brooks and less turnovers up to this point? Wow. Anyone know how many turnovers of each are unforced?

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Next, I am gonna show how you NEVER know what you are talking about. Brooks has 7 total TDs on the year and 12 turnovers.

Jake has 13 TDS and 11 turnovers. So no, Jake is not tied with Aaron in turnovers, and he has more TDs. Just stop. This only gets worse for you.

Forgive me, please forgive me. Jake has 1 less turnover than AB...Did you fail to realize that's because the Panther have had their off week and the Saints haven't?

Hey that just proves my point too that Jake can get you at least 1 TD per Turnover and AB can't. You need to just give this one up Billy.

Wait a minute. I think BonB is really AB. He's got the same attitude, the same mannerisms, and the same obliviousness to the details of performance. He's also spending way too much time defending his onfield actions (misdeeds) and blaming a defense he sets up for failure rather than learn how to run the simplified offense and read defenses and call a play in less than 36 seconds. Stop wasting your time on this site and play better AB.

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That was Gold, Jerry, GOLD!!!!!!! :lol:

Brooks this Brooks that! I swear we can not have a single thread that does not become a Brooks debate.

BOTTOM LINE:

OFFENSE: SUCKS
REASON: No competent coaching staff. These plays they are running are not working! Try something else!

QB: Yes, Brooks has won us a playoff, WUP-T-DO! One frickin playoff win! That sure does make me feel a whole lot better and confirm why I have been a fan for so long. HE IS NOT THE QB WE NEED! For the umtineth time WE NEED A LEADER AND BROOKS AINT IT! If you use geometry, if you have guards in a straight line and the QB runs backwards 15-20 yards it is very hard for them to protect the QB. Why, HE IS OUT OF THE FRICKIN POCKET! If you have watched enough football or evenplayed in H.S. or NCAA would should already know this.

WR: Hakim, wasted money, could have picked up someone else more usefull.
Henderson, GET HIM A COACH, Get off his back and let him get the chance to get coached.
Horn, I love him, but think he will be good for only a couple more seasons.
Stalworth, who knows, I think better coaching can help him.

RB: We are just ate up in this department right now.

Offensive Coaches: FIRE THEIR B#TTS BEFORE THEY KILL WHAT SELF-RESPECT THESE GUYS HAVE LEFT.

I don't know who said but your darn right we had a QB (Blake)(J.T.)(Jake). Now we have an overpaid underachiever that could give two chits about winning or losing. After all checks in the bank.

Dad-Gum guys, we root for the dumbest team in history.

UUGGHH!!! We all know he is not going to lead this team to anything but mediocrity, the writers all know it, so why doesn't the team know it. And I'm not just talking about Haz and the rest ot the coaches. Surely Horn, Deuce, and all the other talent can figure this out.

AB's job in GB was to make sure Favre got to meetings on time, They knew it then, that is all he can handle on a CONSISTENT basis with out screwing it up. And the thought must have been "even if he does manage to mess that up it couldn't be too bad its Brett Favre it wont affect the game too much if he misses a meeting"

If he starts next year for the Saints no matter what city they are playing in I can't say that I can bear to watch.

OMG how soon they forget... they saw something in Brooks and they brought him over. He performed spectacular and earn the right as the starter, then the offense had BLOCKING, hmmmmm go figure, we also had a RUNNING game, hmmmmm. YA NEED MORE THAN ONE PLAYER! Everyone was elated over Brooks then, and...

I know getting rid of Deuce will help us also, I mean he has lost a step and not getting any younger and the injuries come on already.

and Horn is getting old! He's two steps from having to use a walker.

I agree we seriously need to rebuild at the end of the year across the board. I don't see any big names being around next... get ready for some new faces.

Let's bring Farve in a trade for AB and Az Hakim. I'm sure he'd like to spend his career' twilight close to home and both teams would get better immediately. Farve could show AMac the ropes and everyone will be happy.

He should leave, then. I wouldn't take this anymore, either! :dance2: