Does anyone else see it.......
 

Culpepper and McNabb are done for the year. McNair is done after this season, Vick is on his last leg. Brooks is done period. Does anyone else see the trend? Everybody wants a Brady. The new Vick at VTech will be an afterthought.

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Michael Robinson from Penn State!!!!! Love to have him on our team??? Doubt it thou because we will proably keep AB anyway.

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I'm a huge Penn State fan, this guy is great, but I'm not sure how much of a shot he will get in the NFL. He's also really only had just this one year at QB there.

Vince Young

I don't think you'll see people abandon this type of QB. McNabb will be back, it's just been a bad year, Dante will be back, McNair doesn't have a team but may be on his way to retirement, AB will start somewhere (Arizona?).

I haven't seen the Penn State dude enough to comment intelligently, but I think Young may have the stuff to get it done in the pros. I thought Vick was looking like a better QB than his bro, but Miami brought him back to earth (he's still only started 10 games).

Let's not forget the future of the athletic QB....Amac :monkey:

I don't know Vick is 6-3 so far this season, I don't see how that is on his last leg.

Vick is not 6-3 this year, the falcons are.

For the most part they win with Defense and timely offense. Their D won the philly game, their D won the Miami game, the refs won the saints game (and they scored 2 defensive TDs).

I agree that saying Vick is done is premature, he's a young dude. But, you are the one who gets upset when all the blame goes on our QB, so I think you should be cognizant of giving the Falcons team effort credit for their record rather than saying Vick is 6-3. (You would flip out if someone said that AB is 2-7 would you not?)

But ,then again, I disagree with just about everything you say, so why should this be an exception?

Guys, he was talking about MARCUS Vick, Virginia Tech QB, who is a run first, option-style back. Cher (if I may be so bold) was trying to imply that quarterbacks that seek contact are going to be less desirable in the future due to durability issues and the next draft will reflect that.

He was talking about Marcus when he mentioned the new Vick. He is actually more of a passer than Mike ever was. The last leg comment, i assume, is Mike because those are all pro qbs in that sentence and I don't see how anyone could say that a 10 time college starter is on his last leg.

And, xan, not trying to be a know it all *****, just filling you in :) Marcus doesn't really run the option. He seems to be more of a pass first guy than his brother. 65% completions is pretty solid, but I think Miami brought him back to earth a bit. He's not as elusive as Mike, but a bit more accurate, which could ultimately make him appealing both to the pocket passer folks and the mobile QB folks.

I thought Virginia Tech runs a pro-style offense.

Don't be too quick to dismiss Ron Mexico. Defenses still have to account for the guy. He's 25, and still has another three years before he enters his prime.

You're right BnB, but as he continues to get pounded and gets forced out of his comfort zone, he could fall apart (wishful thinking). He's an otherworldly talent, no doubt, but you get in his head and let him blow out a knee and things could get bad in a hurry. Notice, he has not had any of the spectacular runs this year. He has done a real good job of running for 8 on 3rd and 7, which is valuable as hell. But, the highlight reels were rolling every week last year.

He has also been a punk to the media and has been very sensitive to criticism, showing that his mental toughness is lacking (like his cuz). He won't even come on local radio here in Atl, and they kiss his butt. I was a fan at Va tech, but he has gone lower and lower on my scale. All QBs take heat, it's how you take it that shows your character. AB thinks he has it bad, McNabb was getting booed the other night out there trying to play with a hernia...they cheered when mcmahon came in. That's brutal. (Even though that pick to Williams was REALLY bad.) McNabb has done alot for them and he still got booed. QB is rough, man.

Good point Yasoon,

The saints are 2-7 not Brooks.

what about omar jenkins?

Omar Jacobs spk... 8) Yes he's a very good, very accurate guy. If we decide to pass on Leinart, I definately would take a strong look at him in the second round... if he makes it there that is. There are lots of solid college quarterback that will be leaving this year. If we pass on Leinart and draft say a Jimmy Williams/Reggie Bush, I won't be that disappointed.

oh god reggie bush. the guy is unreal. would love to get him

Marcus Vick is actually more of a typical pocket passer, unlike his brother Mike. He actually said on ESPN that he doesn't want to run and would rather sit back in the pocket. I think he's going to be better than Mike because he is a better passer, but when he NEEDS to, he can take it down and make plays just like his big brother can. But he isn't a run first QB, he's a thrower first.

marcus like the youngy. i can't say i blame him

This is the problem I am having now. I read these threads and see where people are talking about the draft and what we can do next year, and who wil be coaching, etc. People are talking like this is a real, legitimate NFL football team. Somehow, somewhere along the line I have lost that feeling....I don't feel like the Saints are legitimate. I feel like they (the front office and ownership) are frauds. I feel that us discussing future draft plans, free-agency, etc. is ridiculous because the Saints don't do things like normal teams. It has really gotten bad for me to the point that I cannot allow myself to go there, because I know in the long run I am going to be disappointed. It has gotten so bad that I find myself thinking that maybe it would be best if they did leave NO, because then I could forget about them and get on with whatever is left of my life....for 38 years now I feel that I have been a loser because the Saints have been losers all that time. I don't know about the rest of you, but at one time a loss on Sunday would affect me for the next two or three days. After many years of that you realize that this is not good for you...your health. So, over the course of the last two or three years I have come to think of this organization to be illegitimate, or fraudulant, and that has helped me to stop having them break my heart and feel like a loser.

Not a bad point LB, but what do you do?

You are right, we can ***** about AB, the Defense, Deuce's injuries, our LBs, etc. But, it feels futile knowing that the folks above all of them are not capable organizers/leaders. Like, no matter what we do, we will top out at 8-8. The Saints have missed a window over the last 5 years, in my opinion, and it's not all because of one player.

Most winning organizations have a top down setup where the guy at the top is either a winner or knows how to empower winners. Look at Atlanta. I hate them, but Blank knows how to build an organization. There is a big diff between going from a cashier to a CEO at Home Depot and running car dealerships. Blank understands team building, winning dynamics, empowerment, etc. Rich McKay is a top notch GM, we have an accountant. They have put good assistants in place.

Look at us. A car salesman, an accountant, the owner's likeable buddy at DC, and a hot headed LB for a head coach. It's a recipe for mediocrity/failure. We can change the QB, draft an LB, even change coaches......it doesn't change the fact that we have a really bad owner who is either senile/crazy or both. And we already know that he plans to keep it in the family....how could we expect the dude's grandaughter to come in with a new winning mantra? That is unrealistic.

It's sad LB...I know. But....us loyal idiots on this board are just looking for a slice of hope :)

Week 9 and we're already looking to April. God, that sux.

Sounds like the beginnings of a great joke:

"What do you get when you have a Car Salesman, an accountant and a buddy?"

Punchline...

New Orleans Saints.

I was looking forward to April a week after the draft last year. Hard to get excited about a team you have little to no faith in. The Saints never disappoint me, I always know what to expect. That's why I love the draft so much. It's the only time I see the potential for change on this team. Sure our team has drafted poorly in the past, and they appear not to be able to develop anyone, but I always have hope some player is gonna be better than that BS and be a star for us. Deuce almost did it., and outside of the last year and a half, hopefully still can. LeCharles is good. I wouldn't want him to leave that's for sure. Will Smith, Charles Grant. Josh Bullocks. At some point, things will change. And with good young players, it may be an easier transition into a new coach, and new system, once it does.

at some point things will change its been almost 40 years.

And I hope to be alive for 40 more and see that change happen.

Maybe you can move a little further west and jump on the LA Eathquake's bandwagon in a couple of years when we move. :mrgreen:

For over a decade, I've been convinced the Saints will become immediately successful after moving to a new city. I don't know why, but it's something I've always felt.