Congratulations go to Aaron Brooks....
 

....on becoming the leading TD passer in New Orleans Saints history...

I wish the outcome today had been different, but I have wished that about lots of games this season.

RE: Congratulations go to Aaron Brooks....
 

I don't think he played all that bad today. Congrats to him for what it's worth.

RE: Congratulations go to Aaron Brooks....
 

Congrats to Brooks and now it's time for him to leave.

RE: Congratulations go to Aaron Brooks....
 

Don't let the door hit cha......
he looked awight....but still not a leader...
we were in position to tie the game up and he showed no sense of urgency...
sameolsameol....

I don't know, man.......I watch him.....and he can squeeze the ball into places that probably only 10% of the QBs out there can do...

I have a bad feeling if we cut him loose, the decision will bite us, just like all the other past QBs that most people harp on..

Let his ass go and start fresh....****...we can't do any worse...
Kitna, Rivers, (Leinart) the dude that changed my oil at Jiffy Lube.....anybody but AB
This dude is straight poison...he sucks and has had 5 years to show us he doesn't......

I got two words for ya. Clock management. He ain't got it! :bang:

Congratulations to Aaron Brook, you surpassed Archie Manning today in most TD passes in Saints History. Saints fans are proud. Congratulations Aaron you earned this.


Cruiser K

Agreed, congrats to Brooks. Everyone has an opinion about him, each comes from a different direction. Any which way you look at it, Brooks broke a record and deserves kudos. You don't have to like what he has or has not done, just saying the guy broke a record today.

Let me start out by saying that this record he broke was not that big of a deal. People like Archie more because of the quality person he is, and not so much because of the numbers he put up. Many, many QB's have thrown more TD's in there career than Archie. Many people forget that Archie missed more than one complete season because of a shoulder injury, and many thought he would never return. I read somewhere that at one point in time he couldn't even raise his arm to comb his hair. If I remember correctly, he had to have a groove cut out in his shoulder for the nerve to sit in, and it had to be done twice before they got it right. I think it was by the same Dr. that Tommy John had.(The surgery that is now called Tommy John surgery) His back-up QB's got way, way more playing time than any back-up to AB has ever gotten.

I am not proud. I don't like AB. I think he may be part of the problem with the Saints today. AB does not have the demeanor of a person I can be proud of. I also don't think he deserves the record. He has been given more slack than any QB in the history of the NFL in my recollection. It is almost like he was given the opportunity to break these records despite himself. It is not the first record of Archie's that he has broken, however. Archie's record for yards thrown backwards to his own offensive lineman was 0. AB shattered that record and nobody said a word. :D

Not that big of a deal??? Brooks broke the record in 82 games, whereas Manning played in 135 games for the Saints. That's a 53 game difference.

And before you say "well things were different in Archie's day"........the I have to ask: Why didn't Hebert get it, or at least get real close? Hebert played in 78 games for the Saints, and threw 85 TDs (31 TDs short of the record). Would Hebert have eventually gotten it? Sure he would have, if he'd played for a few more seasons. But 78 games compared to 82 games shows me that both guys had roughly the same amount of time to work with (Bobbie would have had to average roughly 8 TD passes a game in those 4 extra games that Brooks has on him), and in the end, the accomplishments and accolades go to Aaron Brooks.

It would have been a big deal if he had played for someone like say Denver or Miami. Breaking Elway's record or Marino, or someone similar, would have been a huge deal. What I mean by it "not being a big deal" is that we have never had a "hall-of-fame" QB with those sort of stats, so breaking the record is not that tremendous of an accomplishment.

As far as Hebert goes, he played during the Mora regime, and their philosophy was 3 yds. and a cloud of dust. They rarely threw the ball deeper than necessary to pick up the first down.
If you remember, we were usually in most of those games, and it was not necessary for us to change our game plan, so, even in the 4th qtr. we were able to play a ball control offense, usually just needing a FG or a TD to go ahead or tie. A lot of AB's stats came in the 4th qtr. when teams were far ahead of us and playing prevent to keep us from putting instant points on the board.

I guess the question I would pose to you is this. If AB is such a great QB, then why does he have so many people calling for his replacement? Is it your contention that all of these people are wrong, and only a handful of people can see the real talent, or is it the other way around?
Is it possible that most people can see the raw talent, but have also seen that he has not been able to use that talent because of certain bad habits he can't seem to shake, and most people are tired of waiting and have given up on him? I contend that it is the latter, and if he were as great as a few people around here say he is, then he would not be on the hot seat as he seems to be now. I also contend that if he had handled his ego better, that he would have more fans.

Like I have said before, if it were the team around him, and not him, then I would think that the AB supporters would welcome the opportunity for him to go somewhere else and show us how wrong we were about him.

AB deserves some credit to breaking Archie's record -- I will give him that -- but I would take Archie in his prime anyday over Brooks -- and in no way does this stat mean that Ab is a better QB. AB has always demonstrated his ability to roll up stats -- both good ones and poor ones. Using stats to try to justify why AB is a top 5 QB is just plain wrong. He has the physical talents to be great -- has a gun for an arm -- can make unbelivable throws -- all true -- he also makes bonehead plays at inopportune times, has never demonstrated the ability to lead or read defenses -- etc.

Should he stay or leave -- personally I don't think he is worth the tremendous amount of money we will have to pay him in salary cap bonus next year -- I think the team needs a new direction in coaching and leadership.

I'll tell ya why... when the team is **** they want to blame the QB. They don't really pay attention to what is going on the the routes the WR's are not running or thinking the D sucks the O line is horrible... special teams is bad this year.

Mark my words..............you put the right people around Aaron Brooks, and he will enjoy the same amount of success, maybe even moreso, than what Jake Plummer is having this year. Plummer has been known for the bonehead play occasionally. Last year people started saying the Broncos could never win with Plummer...........this year they could realisitcally go to the Super Bowl, and Plummer has only thrown 3 INTs.

I couldn't agree more... there are 10 other people on the field that aren't doing there jobs. Broncos can interchange players because they build up there lines.

Every year and every game its the same -- its always someone elses fault -- never ABs. I have alwyas kinda supported Brooks -- thought he had a pretty good game against New England. But just as much as you are tired of Brooks getting a lion share of the blame I am tired of the constant 5 years of blind support for Brooks. Year in and yer out his QB ratings are in the low end of the scale. But year in year out there is always someone else to blame. The team is losing yes -- but Brooks is still an inconsistent QB. Even the New england game they get pointing out the fact that he ALWAYS runs backwards 20 yards -- and that is wrong. The team has many faults -- coaching leading the list -- but Brooks deserves to catch some criticism and blame also.

Ya he can squeeze the ball right out of his hands on the Center/QB snap with the best of them... :)

I am not saying "its never AB's fault" But a lot of people puts all the fault on him and that isn't fair.

Denver has what I consider one of the best O-Lines in the league...That being said he knew Denver was not going to put up with many bonehead plays this year...So he has played better to avoid not getting yanked...I admit I did not think he was that good but Plummer has proven me wrong...So what does Denver Have that AB does not, other than the O-Line, Character, Charisma, Emotion, Intelligence (yeah I went there), and leadership ability....I watched the Colts vs. Bengals last night...I watched as both qb's came to the line with 8-10 seconds to read the defense and call audibles some times more than one, AB does not do that b/c he does not mange the clock, does not have the ability to read the newer complicated defenses, and does not take his role seriously (you know what I am talking about)

I understand the need to be thick skinned and having the short memory when you get beaten, but i just wish he would play like a leader, show some toughness, and remember that he just got beat down and get mad and use it for fuel

I agree. When people around this forum hear "AB gets blamed for too much", it goes through their ears as "he is completely exempt from any and all blame".

Anybody with even a shred of common sense can see that this season is just "one of those years". Look around. The Vikings are having "one of those years". Even the Eagles are having it. Baltimore is another example. How about the Packers?

"One of those seasons" is characterized by having nearly everything imaginable go wrong, and very little going right. In Game 1, it looked like destiny might be on our side in Carolina, but almost as soon as the opening kickoff in the NYG game, it was apparent that the ride was headed downhill.

"One of those seasons" is characterized by being on the losing side of questionable officiating for 2 weeks in a row.

"One of those seasons" is characterized by intercepting a pass, and tripping over your own teammate, resulting in a fumble, and a subsequent turnover back to the offense.

"One of those seasons" is characterized by your QB throwing more INTs than TDs, when he has never done that in the past.

"One of those seasons" is characterized by losing what many would argue is the most potent Saints offensive player in Deuce McCallister (personally I don't think we've missed him all that much, but it's still big to lose your starting RB)

"One of those seasons" is characterized by a yellow flag flying in on key 3rd down defensive stoppages.

"One of those seasons" is characterized by needing the defense to hold the opposing team's offense just ONE...MORE....TIME.........and giving up a huge play into Saints territory which pretty much seals the game.

"One of those seasons" is characterized by completing a 25 yard pass on 2nd and 26, then failing to pick up 3rd and 1, and thus punting.

"One of those seasons" is characterized by a veteran kicker missing more than one short field goal to kill momentum.

TheGambler said, "I don't know, man.......I watch him.....and he can squeeze the ball into places that probably only 10% of the QBs out there can do..."

Like up his butt!

*Let me add that this is not a derogatory comment toward you, Gambler, it's just something funny that had to be said.

I have seen folks in the online community say that Brooks played "great" yesterday. I am amazed by the lack of an eye alot of folks have. I give him a B-, it was not great.
He continues to hold the ball too long, he continues to miss receivers, he continues to run backwards, he continues to hit checkdown receivers for 1 yard. He missed horn in the endzone. He sputtered once we crossed midfield. I'll give him a pass on the pick, he had to throw it. But....he could have gotten another play out of it with some better clock management. Again, our offense fails to break 20.

The TD passes were very nice. Brooks made some good throws, but the consistency was not there, as always.

Now, the following things were not AB's fault:

John Carney.....please stop playing football. We all know that you lose some leg as you get older, but the old kickers are usually money inside of 45 yards. Bad things happen when he is on the field.

The secondary looked very confused. Not sure what's going on there. The D line looked decent and made a few things happen.

Was it not nice to see a team heave a few balls deep? Good God, when is the last time we did that? I don't know who to blame, but they softened us up with those deep balls. Our QB has a big arm, we got to the playoffs in 2000 by throwing 3-5 of those a game. (Blake threw a very nice deep ball and I think AB is capable of dropping one in there.) We never throw the ball behind the defense....it's perplexing.

The running game was OK.

More brainfart penalties and a timeout on the 2nd play of the game. Our team looks so stupid next to the pats, who wear their thinking caps every sunday.

I thought we were the better team yesterday. A false start knocks us out of FG range (it would have been a 49 yarder and we punted). Carney misses a gimme. The offense sputters at key moments.

I am so tired of watching my team have equal talen and come up short. The Pats D is depleted, their RB is out. We can't cover a TE and Smith just stands and watches while the WR goes for 70.

And if you think AB was great yesterday, look at Brady's numbers. Gus Frerotte had the same numbers AB did a week ago against the same D. Our offense still lacks the ability to really thorw some points on the board. I've been saying it all year.....we can't win with 17 points, or 6 points or 3 points. The defense was not great, but 24 points is not a ton. The Offense never picks up the slack. I don't want to hear about great when we're talking about a 50% passer against a beat up secondary. And for all the line bashers, AB had time to throw, he just couldn't pull the trigger in less than 5 seconds.

I've seen enough. You got your record big boy....now take that crap somewhere else.

The record only means something in the context of the Saints - a perennial loser. Archie is loved and repsected for his character. The guy has guts and class. He endured what many could not have. AB broke his record for sure. And he got the mark in way fewer games. AB is a better QB. But so what. AB is the best of the worst. In the context of the NFL this record means nothing. Congrats!
Winning games is what matters. And we will never win consistenly with AB at the helm. No doubt the Saints have the best chance of winning week in, week out this season with Brooks at QB. But after this dismal season is behind us he has got to go. And I think it will be interesting to see just how little interest there is in him from other teams. No way will he command the kind of contract he has with the Saints. His real value will be determined.

The last two posts pretty much said it all. Great game yesterday? LMAO!!! Great game leads to punt, punt, punt, downs, TD on the first 5 possessions. Missing Joe Horn with an overthrow, another time not seeing him at all wide open. The incompletions were terrible in the beginning, and there were times AB had ALL DAY to throw, he didn't, spun backward into the rush, ran around and threw a 2 yard pass. IT was stupid as normal. He finally had more TDs than turnovers, against the 31st ranked Pass D. Awesome job. Take that record and roll out.

That's a lie. Go find it. I said they were one of the worst offensively, and they are. I ahve to appreciate the way you never mind looking like a fool.

Dude you just love being abused...mostly by your own posts. Who really cares about Jake. I don't watch or listen to Jake play. I have the unfortunate luck of having to see Your bed buddy Brooks miss receivers all day. Seems that when Brooks plays like crap you try to compare him to Jake which no one else brings up but you. Why don't you compare him to Brady? His passes seemed to be on target most of the night. Here let me make this simple for you. Brooks Sucks. No go back to bed and stare at his poster on your ceiling.

Amen, amen. END OF FREAKIN STORY!!!!!

Musta been some other forum, I didn't see anybody say that here. He did have a good game though.......give him time to throw, and he could usually find Stallworth or Zach Hilton somewhere..

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"Opponent adjustments for New England's poor pass defense knock this game down the list. By the way, if you added together all the yards Aaron Brooks runs backwards in one football season it would stretch from the earth to the moon. And back. Five times."



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