A New "Old" Head Coach
 

Who wouldn't mind seeing Jim Mora, the elder, make a return visit to the Saints sidelines?

I 100% would welcome him back. Always liked him.

A) He's a quitter.

B) There is no way he would coach a team in the same division as his son.

Technically, he's not a quitter. He was strong-armed into leaving. I will say this, above all, what we need more that anything is a great GM. Without that this team will go nowhere.

There's no technically for me, he quit. Walked out. Packed his bags and left the job. And rolled right into Indy. Speaks to his character for me, as far as head coaching goes. I did find something funny a sportswriter predicted about him though:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3698702

And I did find something very intuitive he said in an interview:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/7357655

He drafted Manning.

Agreed. He quit. End of story. Strong armed -whatever. He should have made them fire him if that was the case. At this point I'd let him come back and make up for quitting on us though.

Pure speculation and maybe not even accurate at that. You're saying that the elder Jim would pass up a chance at a HC job because his son was a HC in the same division and I just can't buy that. HC jobs are too rare - especially for someone who hasn't exactly been getting a lot of attention as far as HC vacancies go.

I can't say with certaintly that you're wrong, but without a quote from him on that, it's hard to believe.

We would have too if we had the number one pick. So would 31 other teams. That was what you call a "no-brainer."

Isn't assuming he would even wanna come back and coach here specualtion as well, with no basis, no quotes, nothing? Imagine that, on a forum of opinions. I am also willing to wager there will be more than a few head coaching vacancies this offseason, and if Mora was a candidate, he would have many choices, making HC jobs not as rare as would be the norm. But we're all speculating on Mora, with ZERO info but our own inferences. I don't know how my speculation can be any less accurate than anyone else's.

Actually, at the time it was not a "no-brainer". It's hard to believe knowing what we know now, but just as many teams had Ryan Leaf listed at the top, as did Manning. And because we are the Saints and had that idiot of a GM at that time, I'm not so sure that we wouldn't have been one of those teams to take Leaf instead.

I disagree there. I think it was pretty much a no brainer. Leaf was not rated as high as Manning, and was widely considered the number two QB in that draft, still pretty damn lofty for what he turned out to be though. I think where the iffy part came in was when they played the "well, if this team gets the first pick, they should take so and so...." type arguments. But Manning was rated as the number one player, so based on that, I still feel it was a no brainer. I had no idea Leaf would be such a bust, as I am sure not many others did, but I do know Manning was rated higher. If you subscribe to the theory you take the highest rated player at your position of need, that to me makes it a no brainer. Plus, Peyton being from New Orleans, And his father having played for us and being a legend, I don't care who the GM was at the time, they would have taken Manning. IMO let me say. Don't wanna post inaccuracies without facts on an opinion based forum. :wink:

You have grossly overlooked one other very important point: Peyton, unlike his younger brother Eli, swore that he would not play for any team that his father had played for.

Really? When did he say that? I haven't heard him say that, so I don't think I overlooked it, I think I am unaware of it. But, if he did say that, and I have no reason to doubt you, it doesn't make it any less of a no brainer to pick him. We just woulda had to trade him for a buttload of picks we probably would have wasted. But since that scenario never came about, if he did say that, we will never know if he would have stayed true to that or not. It's interesting to hea he would say something like that though.

He has said it a couple of times. The first being when he announce his preference to sign with Tennessee, rather that Ole Miss. His reasoning being the legacy that his father had already established.
I don't know that it is that strange considering Eli's refusal to play for the Chargers, and Archie's insistance that the Charger not draft him.

I don't see how Peyton saying he would not play for Ole Miss equates to him saying he would not play for the Saints, or even equates to Eli not going to the Chargers since his father never played there. Where are you drawing your parrallels there?

Because he said that his reasoning behind not going to Ole Miss is because he could not bring himself to play for a "team" that his father played for. The Saints are indeed a "team" that his father played for. Therefore, it isn't difficult to realize that he did not want to play for them, either.

Oh, so he never said that, you are just inferring by what he said as a high school senior before deciding on Tenn, and 4 years before he entered the NFL. Gotcha. Still don't see what that has to do with Eli and the Chargers, since Eli never made these statements, played at Ole Miss, and his father never played for the Chargers.

The reasoning behind bringing Eli into this is to show that if Peyton did not want to play for a "team" that his father, Archie, had played for, as he had stated, then he would have played "hardball", similar to what Eli did when he was drafted by a team that he did not want to play for.

BTW, I'm not the one critizing you for making assumptions. You are welcome to draw your own conclusions. And no, Peyton did not list every single team his father played for, but he did say that he did not want to play for a team that his father had previously played for, which would include the Saints.

Here's my problem, you are basing your reasoning on a statement you said Peyton made as a high school senior. I don't know about you, but I changed a lot from the time I was a high school senior til the time around where I would have finished college. It's not a bad inference, but I think he may have changed his mind by the time he was set to be drafted.

On Eli, like I said, he has a very rich brother. That PLUS his dad enabled him to make that decision. Not his dad alone. But it's all good. Different opinions.

OMG I remember when Peyton said it on some TV Interview that was why he did not want to go to Ole Miss, and to play for the Saints later. I remember that vividly. He did not want to come here.

I don't recall ever hearing Peyton say that he did not want to play where his father played. In regards to Peyton going to Tenn., I would imagine that Archie had a lot to do with that decision...wanting the best for his son. He certainly wasn't going to get the best at Ole Miss.
I think Eli went to Ole Miss despite of Archie. I've heard Archie describe Eli in the past as more of a "free spirit", meaning, to me, that Eli pretty much does whatever Eli feels like doing, and doesn't care much about what other people say. Eli probably wanted to go to Ole Miss, and he probably wanted to go to NY. I think that everybody involved is lucky that SD had that pick and not NO.....becausae I feel that Eli would have told NO the same thing he told SD.

Again, I don't recall ever hearing Peyton say he wouldn't play for a team his father played for. I'm not saying he didn't say it, I am just saying that I never heard it. It does seem to me that I read somewhere that Archie said he would prefer his sons didn't play for the Saints, but I could be wrong about that, also.

The thing that I think is most comical is the way that some people have become a little silent when it comes to talking about Eli. I can remember Eli coming out of college and me and some others trying to rally support for Eli on the message boards. I can't tell you how many people predicted him to be a bust, or said he had no talent, etc. AB was still the man at that time. Boy, I sure wish we had Eli now, but, for his sake, I am glad that he is where he is. This organization, the Saints, have been nothing but an embarrassing joke for it's entire existence, and I have seen many a great player come and waste either their entire career, or most of it, playing for an organization that either has no clue as how to win or no concern as to whether they win or not....or possibly both.

Mora is not coming back, the same guy still owns the team and he knows that, to him its the same old Saints...and frankly they have not done anything that would lead me to believe that they have changed or are different...As long as we are talking about old coaches coming back, what about Ditka? I'd give anything to see Jimmy Johnson on the Saints sideline...If we got a coach like that somebody like lineart might want play for us