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dwiley21 12-20-2005 08:15 PM

Phillip Rivers to Saints!
 
I believe the saints should trade for Philliip Rivers of the Chargers to be the starting QB next year. He was a first round pick, and has NFL experience already and has more upside than an older free agent qb or drafting a qb in the first round. I also feel the saints should trade down a few spots from whatever position they end up in and pick up some extra picks. Our first round pick should be on an Impact linebacker. I also feel howared should be franchised again and Traded this time for a pick even if its 5th or 6th round. Geaux Saints Back in the Dome in 06!!!

stylee10 12-20-2005 08:59 PM

RE: Phillip Rivers to Saints!
 
I wouldn't trade down if all it meant was getting another 2nd, 3rd or 4th. That just doesn't seem worth it to me.

No one's going to want to pay Darren Howard top 5 money so we can't franchise and trade, IMO.

Uncertain about Rivers.

biloxi-indian 12-21-2005 09:40 AM

I opine the following;

IF, Haz is gone
IF, Brooks is gone
IF, Sheppard is gone (with Haz)

Then I would expect any new head coach and OC would want a QB that fits with their offense, scheme, and style. This could be, or might not be, Rivers or any other QB speculation at this time.

For sure, if I were the new head coach, I certainly would be looking to make significant changes to both the Saints offense and defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Read my rationale below.

Euphoria 12-21-2005 09:54 AM

Rivers has no NFL experiance except from the bench... don't get me wrong I don't care but that will cost us major draft picks. I don't know if I am ready to do that unless its to get us more picks. We need help!!! If Reggie Bush is gone when we pick I think we need to trade down and pick up more picks... we need help and one or 2 people isn't going to get us anywheres.

xan 12-21-2005 12:27 PM

Let's see how the draft position ends up before pinning hopes to a bench warmer. Not being able to knock out Drew Brees isn't an endorsement (no offense Mr. Brees). I'm with Euph, let's get as much help as possible, cuz we're gonna need it.

AllSaints 12-21-2005 01:36 PM

Sry guys but if Leinart is there we cant pass on this guy im telling yall i have watched him play he is something special !!!!!!!!

pakowitz 12-21-2005 01:42 PM

i just dont see the point in trading for someones backup... if he isnt good enough to start in san diego what makes u think that he would be good enough to start here....o wait... nvm... i forgot what team i was talking about...... but seriously... i think that if we are able to get one of the top 2 qbs in the draft then we should go that route b/c there is still a chance that rivers really isnt as good as promised.. and i would rather sign a veteran qb for a couple years to a modest deal and take a chance on a rookie then a bench warmer for 3 years.... for a couple reasons... #1 both rookies will be younger... and #2 both rookies will most certianly be more highly decorated then rivers was coming out of college.... Leinert... as much as i hate him is just a winner and a leader... he controls that huddle in a way that i havent seen out of a college qb and we really need that..... and young he is just a freak... that guy will be something special if he has the desire to be the best....#3 rivers held out of training camp when he first got into the leauge.... b/c he wanted #1 pick money like eli got... thats shows me that he is already a me first player... and we have enough of those already...#4 both cincy and the Giants did this with their #1 pick qbs by signing kitna and kurt warner respectively and they are doing pretty well atm with their rookies........

MatthewT 12-21-2005 08:01 PM

The Saints are in a very bad spot at QB. Not only will they need to find a starter, they will also need a quality backup. Trading for Rivers might be one of their only options. If that does happen, lets hope the Saints do not have to give up too much to get him. If the Saints are able to draft Leinart it still puts them in a bad spot for a couple years. One thing that may help the situation is to have McPherson land a starting gig in NFL Europe. He needs the experience in a bad way, because right now he is not ready to assume any major role in an NFL offense. In all situations, a veteran QB is going to be needed in a bad way to either start for a couple years, or provide a safety net as a backup. Unfortunately, there is going to be a very limited pool of quality veteran QB's to fit this type of roll.

AllSaints 12-21-2005 10:40 PM

Archie manning is coming back to play :mrgreen:

Crusader 12-22-2005 03:26 AM

A-MAC in NFLE, that sure would be something. Then I would actually consider going down to Germany just to watch him play. And to bring some beer home :givemebeer:

Euphoria 12-22-2005 08:33 AM

yeah we need to wait to see what happens with AMAC

AllSaints 12-22-2005 06:48 PM

Amac is another brooks in the making..... this guy isnt ready for the nfl I dont think he is NFL Material.....

HE LINED UP BEHIND A GUARD FOR GOODNESS SAKES !!!!

Winwin 12-22-2005 07:50 PM

Quote:

Amac is another brooks in the making..... this guy isnt ready for the nfl I dont think he is NFL Material.....

HE LINED UP BEHIND A GUARD FOR GOODNESS SAKES !!!!

already dogging the guy, and he hasn't even taken a NFL snap.

saintswhodi 12-22-2005 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winwin
Quote:

Amac is another brooks in the making..... this guy isnt ready for the nfl I dont think he is NFL Material.....

HE LINED UP BEHIND A GUARD FOR GOODNESS SAKES !!!!

already dogging the guy, and he hasn't even taken a NFL snap.

We ought to at least give him 6 years huh BOB?

Winwin 12-23-2005 07:11 AM

Quote:

Amac is another brooks in the making..... this guy isnt ready for the nfl I dont think he is NFL Material.....

HE LINED UP BEHIND A GUARD FOR GOODNESS SAKES !!!!

somehow, if vince young came out. i don't think you back the saints picking him either. lord knows knowone has ever mistakenly lined up behind guard before in the nfl.

Euphoria 12-23-2005 02:28 PM

Amac has some experiance outside of college
2004 Arena Completed 237 out of 397 59.7completion percentage for 3297 yards, 61 TD's and ONLY 5 INT.s a rating of... 119.60
Rushes Yds 259 and 19 TD's... just needs to get some snaps from the center, lol. Brett Farve also has done the ole' guard/center comedy bit before to.

hagan714 12-24-2005 06:27 AM

Rivers straight up for Howard then I would do it. His draft position is not relavent anymore. Besides the Chargers need defensive help. Call me stupid if you want ( I am) keep Brooks for another year and redo his contract. 3 for 20 is better trade bait and give him the chance to improve his stats and have Rivers as our number 2 till the naxt year. Besides QB is not our biggest problem. WR, G, DT, MLB killed us this year. We got no game at those postions this year. Injuries showed that we need to get better here. Besides I think Baltimore is going to offer the house to get thier USC connections back together again. Trade the pick if you can.

Winwin 12-24-2005 07:29 AM

Quote:

Rivers straight up for Howard then I would do it. His draft position is not relavent anymore. Besides the Chargers need defensive help. Call me stupid if you want ( I am) keep Brooks for another year and redo his contract. 3 for 20 is better trade bait and give him the chance to improve his stats and have Rivers as our number 2 till the naxt year. Besides QB is not our biggest problem. WR, G, DT, MLB killed us this year. We got no game at those postions this year. Injuries showed that we need to get better here. Besides I think Baltimore is going to offer the house to get thier USC connections back together again. Trade the pick if you can.

"wow" that's all i can say. you didn't think brooks was the problem? he's a moron and brought this team down with every snap he took. our defense is stellar, as is our coaching staff and ownership brooks was and will always be the problem with this team, heck just having him on the sideline last week caused that loss.

stylee10 12-24-2005 10:54 AM

Shouldn't you be giving Aaron a spongebath or something about now?

CheramieIII 12-24-2005 11:18 AM

Hey S10 my thoughts, EXACTLY!

pakowitz 12-24-2005 02:21 PM

dont forget to wash behind his ears!

G504 12-24-2005 05:41 PM

I think the team arleady messed up with A Mac. He should have been starting since the Atanta game. Then we could have seen him in 4 games. If he beat Atlanta and Carolina, he would have gotten my vote! But what's the point in starting the older, less talented of two back up quarterback!?!?! Haz has obviously given up on the team. He wants to lose.

pakowitz 12-24-2005 05:58 PM

i dont know if he wants to lose b/c that looks bad on him as well as the whole team but it sure doesnt look like he wants to win or even cares about it.....


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