I Hate It!
 

But I think the Saints actualy have a chance(a big one) to win Sunday...
It would not be in our best interest but the Bucs are the true enemy of the Saints and I feel that a few turnovers here and there and we win by 2 or 3..(even though the line is 14)...
IMFO....

You just know something is gonna happen.........

But what are you drinking / smoking? 8)

Makers Mark/Punch Perfecto......

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Yeah I know what's gonna happen .

Saints get a top 3 pick and Benson orders a trade down .

Benson orders the trade down to keep from paying the high signing bonus .....

Now you're talking :dance2:

If we get a top 3 pick and trade down or pick a second or third round player again I am going to lose my mind...I am hearing some interesting rumors that if the Saints get the number one pick that benson may be in the mood to piss of the league and draft Leinart...You know they don't want to see that, a big star on a crap team owned by a jacka$$...We all need to pray we don't end up with the Ravens problem child Boller!!!!

the only way I'd trade down is if we had the 1st overall pick. But I wouldn't go very far down the draft list to look for a suitor.

might want to rethink that. I respect Billick and Fassel enough that if they say he's going to play, and play well in the NFL, then eventually he will. Two guys- offensive minded coaches, both have coached in a Super Bowl. There's a learning curve with QB's, you can't dismiss them after three years, especially if he's showing some upside, and Boller is, as of right now. He hasn't had anything to work with in years past, remember, Mason wasn't signed until this past offseason, and Clayton was drafted this past year.

bucs are playing for the playoffs, i think williams gets on us and i hope we have our usual bs and give away a couple of turnovers. if we are going to stink lets be at least good at that

Bucs are going to eat us alive...I wanna see A-Mac this week, coem on give me something interesting to watch, I would rather watch him work and maybe struggle than Bouman...

Here is my draft if we get #1 or a top 3 with a chance at Lineart:
1. Leinart
2. Rudy Niswanger
3. Andrew Whitworth or a good DT
4. Decent CB that falls back in draft board, its gonna happen too many good DE and LB in draft
...If Leinart aint there I think they should pick Cutler if we dont pick a qb and trade down then pick up a qb like DJ Shockley...I am shocked he is on no one's radar...they guy is great and relativley injury free

Great athlete, but needs to work on his accuracy.

I also think there will be some quality D guys and OL guys left in the late rounds...How about Skylar Green running back kicks for our Saints....Gerald Riggs Jr. may also still be on the board in one of the late rounds ...Brodie Croyle may also be still on the board late if we don't get Leinart, I think he is more polished than Young....Kyle Williams may also still be around in one of the late rounds, that dude can plug a whole, Wroten will go first..I don't think we have a shot at him unless we pick him in the first round which would I think be stupid

BnB I think your right about Boller, he has gotten better I just want someone better, I want Leinart or Cutler in camp

I want Lienart too, bro.

There is no way the Saints will win this weekend, ya just need to hope that Texas Beats 49ers

If Bush isn't there I like to trade down.

What is it with everyone trying to come out on the board lately? TMI folks......... :wink:

I feel really out of place on the board right now.

I don't want Leinert. I'd FAR rather work a trade with San Diego for Rivers. He should be more ready to play with less ego.

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NO, we have too many needs to be trading out of the first round....What do ya'll think is the likelihood that at least one of our picks says he won't play for us?

You can't always be in the "IT" crowd BMG. 8)

As far as Rivers goes, there is no way in hell I give up the top pick, or any of the top picks in the draft for him, when I could just take Leinart. Right now though, finacially, Rivers is a better option cause his bonus has been paid. That is the only advantage I can see. Unless they give us Rivers, AND their second pick or something, there is no way I do it.

Could be a huge possibility, jrmllb. I don't see why many of the people screaming to draft Bush would think that he would be any different than any else on possibly not signing with the team. If we have an Eli Manning syndrome, then we do like San Diego did. Trade whoever it may be that says they won't play for the Saints for tons of future draft picks. These guys would have a reason to not want to play here, because of the instability of the team's future and front office in general. Eli had no reason. He's just a prima donna. I just can't imagine ANYONE wanting to play for the Saints next year with the disarray the organization is in right now. However, if something is worked out in the offseason before the draft, then what would be the problem of playing in New Orleans? If they are going to relocate, it will most likely be to Los Angeles anyways, since the NFL would rather have a franchise there instead of in San Antonio. If it was that great of a possibility, wouldn't you think that Matt Leinart would sign in a heartbeat? Especially knowing that he could be playing in front of his home crowd? As much as I hate to say it, this or next season may be the last we see of the Saints (as we know them) in Louisiana. I know that isn't a news flash to anyone here. Come 2007, this franchise will most likely be playing in Los Angeles......with Matt Leinart as their QB.

Eli had what none of these draft picks have, leverage. Plain and simple. None of them have any leverage to justify sitting out a whole year and losing millions of dollars. Without leverage, it would just be empty threats. Noone should be worried about any of these picks not signing with us.

Eli did have more leverage, I want a top qb in camp I just don't see Benson coming off the dime to do it, He needs to sell the team for them to have a future, A loser in NO is going to be a loser in LA the league knows this and they are not going to want to put a loser in that huge market

Actually, I'd rather do a trade with our #1 or #2 for San Diego's #19 or #20. If we could manage to deal Howard too, then I'd feel pretty good about a Rivers deal. I don't want to just give our 1st rounder away. This draft is deep enough at O-line that we should be able to swap picks for Rivers and still get a quality LT where the Chargers would pick.

17 or 18 spaces is a LOT of draft value. Since the Chargers probably don't want a QB or RB, they could still trade out of the pick and make out like bandits. I'm not sure that the Chargers would be so dogmatic about a 1st rounder only if they could be in the driver's seat over the Reggie Bush sweepstakes. If we end up with the 1st overall pick, it's like trading Reggie Bush for Rivers and that seems like a much more even trade to me.

And Rivers is ready to play now.

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Still gotta disagree. Reggie bush will grade out as prob one of the highest draft picks ever. Rivers isn't. If they offered us Rivers, their first, and their 2nd for the pick, i'd consider it, and draft defense later in the round, not a LT. I'd do that in FA. But if they aren't gonna sell the farm for the pick, screw that.

I think we agree basically on Bush's value. We may be stuck on Leinert?

Leinert is no Carson Palmer and probably no Chad Pennington. I have the sneaking suspiciaion he's more of a Trent Dilfer and I just can't see drafting Trent Dilfer at 2nd overall.

I'm not opposed to drafting defense with a later 1st round pick, but I wouldn't kid myself about getting a franchise LT in free agency. We'd be looking at guys much more similar to Wayne Gandy in FA. Teams don't let guys like Orlando Pace or Walter Jones leave in free agency. Jones has been playing as a franchise player for years because he's too good to let walk.

I'm not sure what defensive position I would try to fill if we were able to pick at #17-19. I suppose I'd be tempted by Nagata if he were still there. I can't see Hawk still being on the board at that point. I'd probably take another LB in round 2 regardless though.

Even though, with as many quality offensive linemen in this draft, it would be silly of us not to come away with a LT. If we could draft an LT, move stinch to guard and re-sign Bentley, I like that unit.

The only other thought I have is--if Bush is so great, and we get 1st overall, then we shouldn't pass on him.

I guess we do disagree on Leinart, cause he is being graded out higher than Eli and Palmer. I am not getting beyond passing on him. We would be screwing ourselves. So the only way I take Rivers still, is if they sell the farm to us. If not, I would take Leinart. Period. His value is behind Bush's, but not by much.

By who? I think Lienart is going to be good, but give me someone that's ready to play now, instead of searching for someone to fill the role for a couple of years while Lienart adjusts to the speed of the NFL.

None other than draft guru Mel Kiper. And he was right on about Eli and Palmer, so..................

Kiper was wrong about Williams, unless they decide to move him to tight end. Lienart's arm isn't near as strong as Palmer's.

Who, Mike Williams? I don't know if you can judge him as being wrong with the QB play that team has gotten. But even if he was, I don't think anyone can be 100% correct. He does do this for a living though, so I am gonna defer to his knowledge in most cases, outside of my own opinions.

Also, Joe Montana wasn't breaking any records with his arm, and he got the job done. Arm strength isn't all that makes a QB. I have seen Aaron Brooks win that longest throw comp at the QB challenge once. Leinart is everything you want in a QB.

If you have the #2 pick, how can you not take this kid??? Don't have me the Bush excuse, either, his best year was before Bush emerged.

can't we wait for a qb. i m not sure how long but what about the kid from bowling green. jacobs i think it is. i would rather see him then matt. i want bush in the first round. keep smith and stecker trade deuce