yasoon

Yes, that too. And they also both seem like reasonably likeable guys away from their team. Sooner or later, your message either gets across or it doesn't. I think that Tice/Haz have both shown that they aren't very good enforcers of positive culture. And who knows, maybe one or both of them learned things that will help at their next job. I just don't wanna be the ones to find out.