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dwiley21 01-19-2006 04:18 PM

Reciever can help offensive woes
 
Part of the Saints offensive troubles are all the dropped passes. They have 3 solid big-play capable recievers (when healthy) in Horn, Stallworth, and Henderson, but my feelings are they lack a true possession reciever. Horn has been great at getting the team out of a 3rd and long jam in the past but he was not up to par this season. Who out there either a 3rd round or later pick or free-agent wise could help the Saints solve this problem.

GoldenTomb 01-19-2006 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dwiley21
Part of the Saints offensive troubles are all the dropped passes. They have 3 solid big-play capable recievers (when healthy) in Horn, Stallworth, and Henderson, but my feelings are they lack a true possession reciever. Horn has been great at getting the team out of a 3rd and long jam in the past but he was not up to par this season. Who out there either a 3rd round or later pick or free-agent wise could help the Saints solve this problem.

Henderson wasn't solid in the least this past season. Stallworth was the only consistent player due to Horn's injury. Hopefully i hope they get rid of Horn but i doubt it. Reggie Wayne will be available but the Saints won't pay for him. In the draft I like Sinorice Moss but he'll go sometime in the first round. Perhaps we can get Skyler Green or Derek Hagan if he is coming out this year.

BlackandBlue 01-19-2006 05:35 PM

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Who out there either a 3rd round or later pick or free-agent wise could help the Saints solve this problem.
You won't find a fix for this in the draft. Receivers rarely make an impact in their first few years. The odds of us drafting a franchise QB is greater than drafting a receiver that will make an impact in his first two years.

CheramieIII 01-19-2006 06:13 PM

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I am in agreement we need some competition, whether it be from FA or draft really doesn't matter to me. I think if the group we have now feared they may lose their starting position they may just step up but nobody has been good enough to push them yet.

CheramieIII 01-19-2006 06:14 PM

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Hey BnB, what's up with the new avatar dude? What the hell is that anyway?

spkb25 01-19-2006 06:25 PM

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that much is true black. usually takes wide outs a couple of seasons

spkb25 01-19-2006 06:26 PM

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cherm i am not sure but i think that could be his love muscle

CheramieIII 01-19-2006 06:36 PM

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Damn, we don't need to be seeing that all the time. I'm glad he doesn't post alot.

Hey BnB, waz up dude you used to post alot?

:argue:

jergensl 01-19-2006 07:37 PM

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the biggest problem with our wr's is that they are all tiny. joe horn is our tallest wr at a towering 6'1, they you have stallworth at 6', henderson at 5'11, hakim at 5'10, and moore at 5'9. next time one of them scores a touchdown they should do an umpa lumpa dance.

jergensl 01-19-2006 07:46 PM

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i forgot lewis at 5'8. we also have lyman at 6'4 and poole at 6'2, but they are not exactly worth of starting on any team.

BlackandBlue 01-19-2006 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25
cherm i am not sure but i think that could be his love muscle

Wrong, try again.

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII
Hey BnB, waz up dude you used to post alot?

Only post when I have something valuable to say....or to take a jab at someone.

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Originally Posted by jergensl
the biggest problem with our wr's is that they are all tiny.

Been *****ing about this for years. They give me Gardner and Lyman in return. :roll:

CheramieIII 01-19-2006 10:22 PM

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Only post when I have something valuable to say....or to take a jab at someone.
Come on BnB, you got better than that. You used to post alot and now only post like a prima dona!!!!!

Did I get the Donna right? Sorry you biatch

BlackandBlue 01-19-2006 10:37 PM

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Donna was here last night....;)

AllSaints 01-20-2006 06:50 AM

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Joe Horn haters........................................

chRxis 01-20-2006 08:39 AM

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the size of the wide receivers doesn't matter, just look at steve smith in carolina and santana moss in washington... in fact with the new rules implemented by the nfl last season, it actually helps to have smaller, shiftier wideouts b/c they can escape the jamming techniques used by most of the cover corners in the league... i know for a while the trend was to get these big receivers, and that's great if you do have those, but with those new "no touch within 5 yds." rules i really helps smaller receivers

BlackandBlue 01-20-2006 09:06 AM

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I agree chRxis, but I also feel that having that large receiver on your team is a good thing- all you need is one to give you a prescence over the middle. Opposing teams' defenses have to account for that type of prescence. Some teams can get away with this, because they have a gifted tight end, who can fill this role. We don't.

zachsaints52 01-20-2006 09:38 AM

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Or a huge TE like Tony Gonzalez or Gates. Who is tall and can jump....

BlackandBlue 01-20-2006 09:48 AM

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kinda what i meant by "gifted" tight end.......

zachsaints52 01-20-2006 09:50 AM

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My bad, read too fast.... Only ones I see in this years Draft is Vernon Davis and Pope from UGA. That dude is TALL.

BlackandBlue 01-20-2006 09:51 AM

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I like Pope. If he was there for our 2nd round pick, I would not be angry that we selected him. I would prefer a linebacker, but that is an area of need for us as well...

I just don't think he'll be there.

zachsaints52 01-20-2006 09:53 AM

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Yeah, but he might possibly be. Vernon and Mercedes Lewis from UCLA get most of the coverage. Maybe we get LB in the first so we have that option to get Pope in the second....?

BlackandBlue 01-20-2006 09:58 AM

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Not unless we trade down.

Players will slide- it happens every year, especially to linebackers. I think we as Saints' fans tend to overrate them, as far as the draft is concerned, because it has been an area of need for such a long time. I gurantee that at least one big-name linebacker will be available to us at the 2nd pick (Carpenter or Howard, most likely).

Euphoria 01-20-2006 09:58 AM

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Having a taller WR changes a few things, leverage for one and also those deep up in the air endzone catches over the smaller CB's... its an advantage to have a taller WR over a smaller CB

VinceLover 01-20-2006 07:38 PM

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HOW BOUT REGGIE WAYNE

jergensl 01-20-2006 10:52 PM

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wayne would be great, but he is another tiny guy. i would much rather have moulds. he is only 6'2, but at a solid 210lbs he provides a big body for our qb of the future to pass too.

TallySaint 01-21-2006 07:40 AM

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Some teams can get away with this, because they have a gifted tight end, who can fill this role. We don't.
Maybe we can work a deal for Ben Troupe (6-4, 270). Or even Kinney (6-6, 275). Both had over 50 catches. Heck, the Titans are loaded at TE. :)




8)

CHACHING 01-21-2006 08:17 AM

What about Hilton??
He did great....
and tell that small receiver thing to Steve Smith...
Where's his "gifted " TE?......

BlackandBlue 01-21-2006 08:27 AM

Who said he needed one? You're also talking about one of the best receivers in the league. His level of concentration amazes me.

Hilton had a good year. As soon as I see some consistancy at the position, I'll consider it not to be a need. Honestly, I have questions about Boo, Conwell, and Hall. That does not give me the "warm and fuzzies", especially from a depth perspective. So, it is a need. Hilton can start for all I care.

CHACHING 01-21-2006 08:31 AM

True...Boo can roll...
Conwell can roll
Hall....the jury is still out...
And that Shad kid needs to be on the field to be judged....
you're right....we need depth....

hagan714 01-21-2006 09:54 AM

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HANDS, HANDS, HANDS THAT IS WHAT WE NEED. Once again i will say HASS is our man he can come in and play right away. great route runner, goes after balls over the middle, and he blocks. he is a smart student of the game. We have all the speed in worlsd and if they can learn to hold on to the ball and drop 1/2 the passes they have dropped over the past two years then they would get doubled covered and free some others up. Till then they will not be viewed as a serious threat to score more than once in single coverage. If they do it is viewed as a fluke.

cajunsaint 01-21-2006 01:52 PM

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HORN IS GETTING UP IN AGE, WE NEED A FA WR BADLY TO PUSH OUR WR'S. STALLWORTH WILL BE O/K , SKYLER GREEN WOULD BE A GREAT PICK-UP IN THE DRAFT. HE WOULD REALLY SPREAD THE FIELD AND HE WOULD BE GREAT AT KO'S AND PUNT RETURNS

wheelman 01-21-2006 02:01 PM

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Skyler Green was the most under-utilized athlete in college football this past season. Shame on you Les Miles and Jimbo Fisher!

Crusader 01-22-2006 04:04 AM

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So what about Chase Lyman? He has the size we're talking about here but can he play? I honestly don't know that much about him.

Boogro 01-22-2006 09:18 AM

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Devin Hester wouldn't be a bad pick up...That guy can fly

CheramieIII 01-22-2006 09:55 AM

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Welcome to all of you new members and I really like Skyler to but since we will probably pick a LB and QB with our first 2 picks and don't have a third round pick he will probably be gone by the 4th. We need to replace Lewis.

gandhi1007 01-22-2006 10:33 AM

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4th Round: Marcus Colston 6'5 225 lbs. WR from Hofstra. I had been hearing alot about this guy from scouts all over, but never really got to watch him play. It seems that Hofstra isn't a real media darling of a school. Imagine that.

Anyway, I watched this kid play in the East-West Shrine game yesterday & all I can say is DAMNNNNNN...

This kid can flat out play. He's got the size, decent speed, but most of all he catches everything. Guy was a basketball player (ala-Antonio Gates) turned WR. He's athletic with great hands. The latter of which we desperately need in a WR.

VinceLover 01-22-2006 01:12 PM

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we do need some tall ass receivers who can catch the ball


BETCHA AARON BROOKS CAN'T PLAY LIKE ME

turbo_dog 01-22-2006 02:43 PM

Onomo Ojo :banana:


Ok, seriously.

Check this kid out. Brandon Marshall from Central Florida. Some places have him listed as 6'6" but others say 6'4". They switched him from receiver to safety for the 2004 season and he led the team in tackles. This year they put him back at receiver and he was the leading pass catcher.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player...layerId=135815

gandhi1007 01-22-2006 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by turbo_dog
Onomo Ojo :banana:


Ok, seriously.

Check this kid out. Brandon Marshall from Central Florida. Some places have him listed as 6'6" but others say 6'4". They switched him from receiver to safety for the 2004 season and he led the team in tackles. This year they put him back at receiver and he was the leading pass catcher.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player...layerId=135815

Like him too, but he will be gone way before the 4th round.


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